Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#183874 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. the desire to unweave the rainbow connotates self-transcendence ..
You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.

Since: May 10

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#183875 Nov 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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And now you choose to expend energy over the choice to use of the word "any" to modify proof. You don't really have a message as much as a need to be contrarian.
I've got some words you might like:
Quibberdick an unpleasant quibbler
Mome nitpicking critic
Snoutband one who constantly interrupts to contradict
Breedbate one looking for a fight
Snool - to nag constantly to drive another into submission.
AS much as I would like to be called Quibberdick, the point I was getting to was the writer's misuse of the term "proof".

As opposed to "evidence", which is quantifiable.

As it goes, if the Atheist Turd wants to sound authoritative, he will say "there is no proof", "what is your proof?"

The opposing reader then seems challenged to offer "proof", which is a much taller order than producing "evidence".

That's how that works. Ability to spot fraud in language is a gift.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#183876 Nov 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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It's the brain, Buck, an incredible organ that brain.
For example: Hallucinations can have spiritual meaning to us, but they don't provide evidence for the existence of any metaphysical beings, or places. They provide evidence only of the brain's great power to create them.
The future lies in neuroscience.
Catcher, so you figure out the circuitry and the mechanics.

Now what?

Who does the determining of what is real and what isn't? Don't forget those who figured out those things have one of their own doing the figuring, along with all of the other human traits.

Who does the directing in this little play?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183877 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You invalidated your post by using "self" and "ego" interchangeably.
Language choice aside, the two are distinctly different concepts.
Put more simply, your self is not your ego.
Can you understand it that way, or do you want it spelled in phonics?
I should have said, "Do you want it spelled in Mexican?"

That would have been funnier.

...can't catch 'em all.(No pun intended)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#183879 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
If self-loathing is justified, shouldn't I loathe myself? I have done lots of loath-worthy things. Don't I deserve self-loathing?
That's unrelated to my comment about the Christian being taught to loathe himself for being merely human.

But to answer your question, I recommend contrition, not self-loathing. If you do loathsome things, you should consider change. If you cannot, you look for a way to accept yourself without self-hatred. It keeps you from growing and becoming the most that you can be, which, of course is its usefulness to the church. Broken people are easily managed.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#183880 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. the desire to unweave the rainbow connotates self-transcendence ..
Thinking wrote:
Prove it.
<quoted text>
.. first provide your rebuttal ..

.. or, do you expect me to do all your thinking, Thinking ??..

Since: May 10

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#183881 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.
It's from my influence on her.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183882 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Buck will lie again, that's what.
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*sigh*

Oh, and believing in a proven deity does NOT mean that I won't join the Resistance.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183883 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.
Thanks, Dave.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183885 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That just means you are too lazy to investigate the matter yourself. You let others tell you what is and what ain't. Get your hands dirty. Get out of the Peanut Gallery.
Your life, your brain. Use it for yourself, or let others use it for themselves.
Bollocks, Dave. I've investigated a lot of deities.

No proof of any of 'em.

Now what?

What do you have for yours?

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#183886 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You invalidated your post by using "self" and "ego" interchangeably.
Language choice aside, the two are distinctly different concepts.
Put more simply, your self is not your ego.
Can you understand it that way, or do you want it spelled in phonics?
And you use "view" and "belief" interchangeably.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#183887 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.
Thanks, Dave.

It's mighty kind of you to say that.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#183888 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Catcher, so you figure out the circuitry and the mechanics.
Now what?
Who does the determining of what is real and what isn't? Don't forget those who figured out those things have one of their own doing the figuring, along with all of the other human traits.
Who does the directing in this little play?
It doesn't matter.

If you want to believe there's a director, so be it.

I don't; I credit the brain and the brain alone.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183889 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I took it to mean that mac is not minded to fabricate evidence of a deity.
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That was my intention, yes.

Was I unclear?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#183890 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
If someone wants to be saved, their first step would be to get out of Christianity.
Saved from what? Damnation? That's what a Christian means by "saved."
Buck Crick wrote:
They teach God loves mankind, right?
They say that, yes, but I make the distinction between what is given lip service and what is actually taught. Love, like courage, loyalty, and honesty, is taught by example, not words, and Christianity doesn't offer any good examples of love. The Christian example of supreme love involves torture. The love of man for god is infantile and dependent.
Buck Crick wrote:
Their holy word teaches "love keeps no accounting of wrongs", right? Then they teach that God keeps such a powerful accounting of wrongs, he had to sacrifice his only Son to clear the account. And if you do not clear that account, your penalty is the most suffering that can be imagined, right? Because of the account of wrongs that is not kept.
Yes, their bible contradicts itself. It generally "teaches" both an idea and its contradiction, by which I mean that it teaches nothing. It's really more of Rorschach test of sorts that allows you to justify whatever idea suits you by calling the scriptures that can be enlisted in your support literal and the contradictory ones metaphorical or no longer applicable.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#183891 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
The gas chamber logic of the true believer.
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I usually don't bother with even reading Dave.

Sometimes a word will catch my eye, but mostly it's gibberish.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183892 Nov 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I don't; I credit the brain and the brain alone.
Thanks, Cletcher.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#183893 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You have become more spiritual, thoughtful and sensitive than you used to be.
Catcher1 wrote:
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Thanks, Dave.
It's mighty kind of you to say that.
.. under my firm but gentle hand, you continue to evolve ..

.. now, go to the gym ..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#183894 Nov 13, 2013
spudgun wrote:
I thought as much. I find it quite arrogant for Christians to assume they are saved, esp. when they believe in absolute assurance, regardless of their actions.
Agreed
spudgun wrote:
Maybe this explains why fundies are so objectionable, because they are unafraid of losing their "salvation".
I object to them for mostly for their sententious homophobia and atheophobia, and their antiscientific cant. Those do damage to people and to a nation. I'm not sure if that is related to a sense of being saved or not.

Have you heard of the doctrine of "Once saved, always saved"? People who believe that feel certain that they will go to heaven whatever happens.

Even without that belief, why would someone doubt his salvation if he is always in perfect accord with his god? Look at how many speak for their god, who always seems to agree with them.

Besides, a Christian generally expects forgiveness on demand. Have you ever heard of one who prayed for forgiveness and thought he didn't receive it? Given that, why would a Christian ever question his salvation. In my experience, they may question the salvation of other Christians, but not their own.

Maybe some of the Christians present can shed some light on this matter. Are any of you unsaved?

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#183895 Nov 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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It doesn't matter.
If you want to believe there's a director, so be it.
I don't; I credit the brain and the brain alone.
It really does. When you have 7 billion of them how do you choose who leads the herd?

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