Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183806 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. then why do atheists say, "I don't believe in God" ??..
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.. what makes you think I wouldn't get it ??..
.. most atheists I know have said, "I'm atheist," or "I don't believe in God." ..
.. are you saying all believers are unreasonable ??..
I **am** saying that **most** are.

And your first post in this thread (at least in a while) starts out with an attempt to insult atheists, does not bode well for your credibility.

Which are you? Unreasonable or reasonable?

Atheism is **not** a faith based stance-- it is a **lack** of faith, in fact.

Just as "clear" or transparent is not a color.

If you had bothered to **listen** to your (likely fictional) atheist "friends", you would have already been aware of this fact.

That you would begin with such an inflammatory and patently **false** claim?

Says nothing good about **you**.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#183807 Nov 13, 2013
No, but you seem obliged to get Evolution all mixed up with creation.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Atheism requires faith in evoluuuuuuuuuuuuuution.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183808 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Just because a believer is not reasoning does not mean they are unreasonable in the social meaning of the word.
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Although, if you judge believers by **this** thread?

They are-- every one of them-- unreasonable in all phases of their lives.

I hope to be proven wrong on this one-- but I won't hold my breath.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183809 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Blob crossed himself up.
He inadvertently disclaimed his own position.
He won't realize it.
Hate speech and projective bullshyt duly noted and recorded.

You would not recognize a position if it smacked you in your dull, and over-fed face.

Sad.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183810 Nov 13, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Just considering the form of life we know, there could very easily be alternatives to carbon/water/goldilocks. Given what is known about the ability of carbon based life to exist in extreme and hostile environments then I see no reason to discount alternatives
And true (real true, not Christian “True”), the “doh, I don’ unnerstan’ so it muss be my god wot dunit by magic” just does not make a lot of since in the real world of reality
Agreed.

The odds that life exist elsewhere in the Milky Way? Are pretty much 1:1.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183811 Nov 13, 2013
Just Think wrote:
There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any of the thousands of gods ever worshiped actually existed.
Atheism requires no faith at all.
Correct.

But the faithists? Won't have **that**-- they are under the false cloud that **everything** is faith-based.

It's kinda sad to witness.

"If you could reason with religious people? There would be no religious people." ~~ House

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183812 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. what does reasoning have to do with belief ??..
Everything.

Belief without reason and without **facts** to support it?

Is just bullshyt-- like Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183813 Nov 13, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. you must reduce your position to agnosticism or you're taking a leap of faith ..
.. think about it ..
Even if you keep repeating the lie?

It will not magically transform into a not-lie.

I know this is what you **believe** but-- belief based on lies? Is still a lie--no matter how often you repeat the lie.

(your credibility is on a rapid decline here)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183814 Nov 13, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Name the religious concepts America was founded on.
Freedom of religion?
That isn't specifically a religious concept, but it is a concept of the free. Please explain what religious concepts you're talking about.
That individuals are endowed with rights by virtue of each person being created by a creator, and thus those rights accrue to each person equally, regardless of status or birth.

That is a religious concept, and they could find no other justification.

That's the factual record. You don't have to like it.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183815 Nov 13, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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A week or so ago, you and I were having a conversation. I offered my thoughts on a particular topic. You called me a liar.
I fail to see how I can have a conversation with you when you believe that an individual's thoughts are lies.
The Buckster is just a narcissist with an extremely low self-esteem.

It's a pretty debilitating combination.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#183816 Nov 13, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see why they contradict.
I, for example, am an atheist.
But if someone provides proof of a deity, any deity, I will of course have to change that.
Now what?
That just means you are too lazy to investigate the matter yourself. You let others tell you what is and what ain't. Get your hands dirty. Get out of the Peanut Gallery.

Your life, your brain. Use it for yourself, or let others use it for themselves.
Thinking

Royston, UK

#183817 Nov 13, 2013
The universe really isn't vast if you believe the stars are just lights stuck to a dome as the bible says.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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If you allow for non-carbon/DNA based life? Certainly a possibility we cannot dismiss-- examples of extremophiles on Earth are plentiful.
Then the odds of life elsewhere than earth, within the Milky Way, are a certainty.(as certain as anything in science, of course).
Of course--we have no reasonable way to calculate the odds of any life-bearing planet developing a self-aware, tool-using sentient such as ourselves.
And it's also quite difficult to calculate the odds of such a species surviving long enough to leave the planetary nest behind, instead of perishing from some catastrophe or other--be it self-made or something akin to a "dino killer asteroid".
So we cannot say what the chances are that such a species should ever visit earth-- I'd have to guess that they are vanishingly small.
Be that as it may? The odds that life exists on other places in our own Milky Way? Are as near to 1:1 as you like.
But I do not expect to be visited by any in anyone's comfortable lifetime--
-- mostly because space is so ... vast.
A fact that your typical godbot is entirely unable to grasp.
What with their near-total lack of a scientific education...
.... sad, really.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183818 Nov 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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This is the self-loathing and misanthropy that I believe Bongo was referring to earlier when he said, "Now if I could just make this deep self loathing and misanthropy I have go away." I think that he may have avoided falling into the trap, but many others were not as lucky, and do think in those terms.
It's related to the teaching that manifests as criticizing the failure to fall to one's knees to and beg forgiveness in acknowledgement of that worthlessness in terms of ego, rebellion, and pride that we have also seen here recently.
I can't see how any of that serves us as people, and consider it one of over a dozen very bad ideas offered to those receiving a Christian education.
I agree.

But christianity is very good at keeping people behaving as mindless sheep.

The better to fleece them, and then shortly after? Mutton stew.

All the while the mindless sheep are baaing with "contentment".
Thinking

Royston, UK

#183819 Nov 13, 2013
I'm using "reasonable" to mean they should be able to eat cheese without sticking it in their ear.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Although, if you judge believers by **this** thread?
They are-- every one of them-- unreasonable in all phases of their lives.
I hope to be proven wrong on this one-- but I won't hold my breath.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183820 Nov 13, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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I thought as much. I find it quite arrogant for Christians to assume they are saved, esp. when they believe in absolute assurance, regardless of their actions. Maybe this explains why fundies are so objectionable, because they are unafraid of losing their "salvation".
Actually? Growing up in fundie-church as I have?

These poor fools are far from certain-- they live in a perpetual state of fear of dying without being forgiven from imaginary something-something (that they cannot define).

It's pretty sad, really-- the agonizing and tiny lives they live under the ugly that is Genuine Christianity™.

Of course-- the pastors of these people often drive nice cars, live very comfortably off the collective pittance of their "flocks".

As Tom Petty said in a song? "It's good to be King"

:)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183821 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:

"Buck will lie again, that's what."

macumazahn wrote:

"I don't see why they contradict.
I, for example, am an atheist.
But if someone provides proof of a deity, any deity, I will of course have to change that.
Now what?"
__________

You two simpletons think I have to lie to answer that?

Smack Suzan, if you are an atheist, you are an "atheist".

If you stop being an "atheist", then you will not be an "atheist".

Man,...had to rack my brain on that one.

You guys are such a challenge.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183822 Nov 13, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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So basically, you are telling us you are batshit crazy?
Surely you already knew that?

<grin>

And yes-- I know your name isn't "Shirly".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#183823 Nov 13, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That just means you are too lazy to investigate the matter yourself. You let others tell you what is and what ain't. Get your hands dirty. Get out of the Peanut Gallery.
Your life, your brain. Use it for yourself, or let others use it for themselves.
Dave, I would not recommend SmackSuzan use his brain.

Return it for a refund, maybe.

Or swap it for some dope.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#183824 Nov 13, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Once again, Christianity is antithetical to that. It teaches the opposite: that we are loathsome creatures born fit for hell save for the grace of its god.
Christianity also has little use for reason:
[1] He said, "Go and tell this people: "'Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.”- Isaiah 6:9
[2] Make the heart of this people calloused; make their ears dull and close their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed." - Isaiah 6:10
[3] For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate." - 1 Corinthians 1:19 The bible actually teaches nothing. It is the church that teaches, and its has been famously anti-intellectual through the ages.
This is the position of the church in the Middle Ages:
[4] "Since God has spoken to us it is no longer necessary for us to think." - St Augustine of Hippo
[5] "Ignorance is the mother of piety" - Pope Gregory I
And here is the father of Protestantism approximately a millennium later teaching the same thing:
[6] Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense & understanding. Whatever it sees must be put out of sight with nothing but the word of god remaining in view.- To be a christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason." - Martin Luther
The credit for the triumph of America goes not to Christianity, but to the vision of secular humanists, with emphasis on both the secularism and humanism. Christianity promotes the opposite.
Well said, Doc.

Religion--**all** religion cannot abide skeptical inspection of it's "secrets".

For every time that happens? The religion in question is destroyed.

There are no exceptions to this--none.

But some religions are pretty good at moving the goal-posts, and re-grouping to survive.

Xianity is one such-- at least, certain fractions of it are.

It's also pretty good at re-spawning from the parent groups, into the super-stupid, anti-thinking flavors every few generations.

It's kind of like a disease, really....
Thinking

Royston, UK

#183825 Nov 13, 2013
I took it to mean that mac is not minded to fabricate evidence of a deity.
Dave Nelson wrote:
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That just means you are too lazy to investigate the matter yourself. You let others tell you what is and what ain't. Get your hands dirty. Get out of the Peanut Gallery.
Your life, your brain. Use it for yourself, or let others use it for themselves.

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