Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183012 Nov 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I agree, and even when I disagree, I can agree to disagree :-)
[tipping hat]
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183013 Nov 6, 2013
Recent news that impacts both Christians and Atheist. The Supreme Court is set to rule on prayer before local government meetings. This is going to be difficult for the court to rule on. Because prayer has been said before government meetings going back to 1787. A historical precedent has already been set.

If it was unconstitutional I would have expected it to have been stopped 226 years ago. But the founding fathers of this nation had prayer before government meetings.

We must remember in this balance between separation of church and state. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

The part I would like all my Atheist friends here on topix to note is this,“Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” So individuals can and should be able to freely exercise their religious beliefs within reason. No matter where they happen to be. On government property or private property.

But organized and scheduled prayers before government meetings should be suspended by the Supreme Court. A lot has happed since 1787 and America has become more religiously diverse. I don’t want to here a Satanist prayer for example. If you allow organized Christian prayer that opens the door to any religion to participate.

That doesn’t mean a High School Student on the football team is prevented from saying a prayer with his teammates before the game providing they volunteer to be in the prayer group.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#183014 Nov 6, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Recent news that impacts both Christians and Atheist. The Supreme Court is set to rule on prayer before local government meetings. This is going to be difficult for the court to rule on. Because prayer has been said before government meetings going back to 1787. A historical precedent has already been set.

If it was unconstitutional I would have expected it to have been stopped 226 years ago. But the founding fathers of this nation had prayer before government meetings.

We must remember in this balance between separation of church and state. The first amendment says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

The part I would like all my Atheist friends here on topix to note is this,“Or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” So individuals can and should be able to freely exercise their religious beliefs within reason. No matter where they happen to be. On government property or private property.

But organized and scheduled prayers before government meetings should be suspended by the Supreme Court. A lot has happed since 1787 and America has become more religiously diverse. I donÂ’t want to here a Satanist prayer for example. If you allow organized Christian prayer that opens the door to any religion to participate.

That doesnÂ’t mean a High School Student on the football team is prevented from saying a prayer with his teammates before the game providing they volunteer to be in the prayer group.
Now this we agree on... I've said the same thing of prayer groups in school. If they have a private prayer group outside of school time they should be at to...provided that its not mandatory for the entire school to have to hear it or participate.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183015 Nov 6, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Now this we agree on... I've said the same thing of prayer groups in school. If they have a private prayer group outside of school time they should be at to...provided that its not mandatory for the entire school to have to hear it or participate.
[tipping hat]
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#183016 Nov 6, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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That's where we put the sick people, Eagle.
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See? That's why we put them there. Galveston, you say? Hmmm.
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Free chum.
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You left them there, right?
He's fishin of Gulf of mexico and had bunch sick people they deserve it ,- as evil BP , BP Oil spilled had killed many marine life , our vital food source and BP reparations and eco-conscienceness is big fail...
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#183017 Nov 6, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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My good Doctor, why are you so angry all the time?
It could take 50 hours to motor 200 miles in the Gulf???
Sure if one travels only 4 mph.
We were going much faster my good Doctor than 4 mph. By the way it was a day trip.
Don't be so angry Doctor. You know I respect and love you.
Impossible for it to be a day trip, most deep sea fishing boats travel at 15-20 knots, and thats really moving, so you'fre lying once again, it breaks down like this.

In a car traveling at 60 mph it takes 4 hours to go 200 miles, 30 mph, 8 hours, 15 mph 16 hours. If your fishing boat travels and 15-20 mph it would take 16 hours one way to travel 200 miles, 36 hours round trip. You are full of shit once again!!!!
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183018 Nov 6, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Impossible for it to be a day trip, most deep sea fishing boats travel at 15-20 knots, and thats really moving, so you'fre lying once again, it breaks down like this.
In a car traveling at 60 mph it takes 4 hours to go 200 miles, 30 mph, 8 hours, 15 mph 16 hours. If your fishing boat travels and 15-20 mph it would take 16 hours one way to travel 200 miles, 36 hours round trip. You are full of shit once again!!!!
I can’t believe you’re getting all worked up over a fishing trip that I took in 1990’s.

We traveled 4 hours out into the Gulf and fished for 2 hours and then traveled back for 4 hours. I know it was too far to swim back and we couldn’t see land.

Who freaking cares anyway?

Why are you so pissed off all the time?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#183019 Nov 6, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>He's fishin of Gulf of mexico and had bunch sick people they deserve it ,- as evil BP , BP Oil spilled had killed many marine life , our vital food source and BP reparations and eco-conscienceness is big fail...
BP has been airing the commercials with Jon Parker saying,“safety is at the heart of everything we do.”

Those commercials make me hate them even more. They should spend their money helping the communities they devastated. And stop trying to make themselves look good. Their company image is shot. And their efforts to improve it isn’t helping.

But they don’t get it just like Tony Hayward didn’t get it. I can still see him saying,“I want to get my life back.” Maybe he should have spent some time in prison to help him get his life back.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#183020 Nov 6, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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BP has been airing the commercials with Jon Parker saying,“safety is at the heart of everything we do.”
Those commercials make me hate them even more. They should spend their money helping the communities they devastated. And stop trying to make themselves look good. Their company image is shot. And their efforts to improve it isn’t helping.
But they don’t get it just like Tony Hayward didn’t get it. I can still see him saying,“I want to get my life back.” Maybe he should have spent some time in prison to help him get his life back.
But you like OIL/USD Hegemony and here you lair! Bahahhaaaa

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#183021 Nov 6, 2013
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>I did! The Authoritarians
by Bob Altemeyer
The title of Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience” plays on an earlier book by Barry Goldwater, former GOP senator and 1964 presidential candidate. Dean charges that the modern Republican Party has been co-opted.
Its leaders demand unwavering obedience by supporters while promoting inequality, intolerance and an intrusive government even as they espouse freedom, wrote Dean. In his 2006 book, Dean cited research by social psychologist Robert Altemeyer to argue a GOP trend toward authoritarian personalities. Reading the book today, it seems Dean anticipated the later arrival of Walker as governor, making his Walker-as-authoritarian argument in four parts.
First is a personality that seeks to be a “social dominator.” Dean cited how Walker formed a “Jesus USA” club as a young child, mixing Baptist religion and patriotism, and he seems to have been running for something ever since.
Read more: http://host.madison.com/news/local/madison_36...
The authoritarian personality is a subject of much debate and I'm no psychiatrist. Slapping labels on people is a very tricky business anyway.

I believe that they tried to group all Nazis as having this personality disorder.....but that didn't work out as planned. There is rarely a perfect textbook case of any type of personality,

The DSM lists 10 types of problem personalities and they fall into 3 clusters. Authoritarian personality isn't one of them. John Dean was a smart man, but he was a lawyer....not a shrink.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183022 Nov 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are wrong.
Nope I am not. However you made the statement that I am wrong so you prove the statement that I am wrong or be a big brave child and admit you are a liar

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#183023 Nov 7, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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On two contentious positions, I will opt for something other than Wiki.
Like philosophy academics throughout history.
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Atheism (Greek and Roman): Atheism is a dogmatic creed, consisting in the denial of every kind of supernatural power. Atheism has not often been seriously maintained at any period of civilized thought (Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics-Vol II).
Atheism denies the existence of deity (Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia-Vol I).
Didn't have the time or inclination wade through all of the slop.

You think that the Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (now there's an oxymoron;0) is an unbiased source???

Now WHICH Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia...the new one published in 1895...the new one published in 1947....the new one published in 1962....come on now, you're embarrassing yourself;0)

You're spinning like a top.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183024 Nov 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh, lovey, this song is for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =4-736eE_pDsXX
And this one is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#183025 Nov 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
Here's one from daffy dave and feeble eagle, when confronted with the quantity of food available on the ark for all those animals.........."Animals don't need three squares a day, and being at sea can make you sea sick, so you don't eat as much."
So the animals were "sea sick" and didn't eat much, problem solved!!!!!
Feeble eagle goes on to tell about being sea sick on a deep sea fishing trip, they went out 200 miles. Hope it was an overnighter, as it would take approximately 50 plus hour to motor 200 miles. Personally, I think he's full of shit!!!!!
Oh yes, he is but that's a given.

The creationist museum in KY explains that gawd zapped all the critters into hibernation.....so there;0)

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183026 Nov 7, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Could you cite the Vatican's conclusion, as you hereby attest to, that Hitler was a Christian?
A link to an official Vatican document, or a public statement by a Vatican official would suffice.
I hope you didn't make it up.
Meanwhile, I have some official Vatican statements for you:
1930- L'Osservatore Romano, which speaks the mind of the Holy Father and Church, runs a series of articles from the office of Cardinal Secretary of State severely criticizing Nazism. The October 11, 1930 article declares: "Belonging to the National Socialist Party of Hitler is irreconcilable with the Catholic Conscience."
1934- "The harassment, arrest, and imprisonment of priests and active Catholics increases. The Nazis close some 200 Catholic publications in Germany, take over Church schools, and coerce the young into joining "Hitler Youth."
1935- Lourdes, France, at a Eucharistic Triduum Cardinal Pacelli tells an estimated 325,000 pilgrims, including many Germans, that "the Church will never come to terms with Nazis as long as they persist in their racial philosophy." He scorns Nazis theories of "race and blood" as superstitious and "contrary to the Christian faith." With such a philosophy, he declares, "the Church does not consent to form a pact at any price."
1937- Cardinal Pacelli drafts the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge, issued in March by Pope Pius XI. It condemns Nazi racism and worship of the state in the Church's most authoritative form of teaching. It infuriates the Nazis, who respond with more persecution of Catholics.
1938- In a formal state visit to Italy, Hitler comes to Rome. Pius XI expresses sorrow and outrage at Mussolini's invitation. "To honor a cross [the swastika] which is not Christ's in the Eternal City" the Pope says, is an unhappy sign of Mussolini's "old anticlericalism." He refuses to meet Hitler.
1938-Pius XII orders publication of a large volume (565 pages). The Persecution of the Catholic Church in the Third Reich, in London (by Burns and Oates). It is a translation from the German of eye-witness accounts of the merciless Nazi program to crush the Church
1941 (March)- Vatican radio begins special broadcasts to France and Spain, speaking of "the wickedness of Hitler"
Christened christian and never excommunicated, the conclusion is that the vatican did not conclude that genocide was an excommunicable offence in the eyes of the church.

When you supply a link to tell the world that you mother is not on the catholic role then I will supply a link to Hitler not being excommunicated

BTW the logic of if a then b does not work unless the preface it with a=b therefore if a then b.

Some more Hitler memorabilia for you

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
Hitler (Mein Kampf)

So long as they concern themselves with their religious problems the State does not concern itself with them. But so soon as they attempt by any means whatsoever-- by letters, Encyclica, or otherwise-- to arrogate to themselves rights which belong to the State alone we shall force them back into their proper spiritual, pastoral activity.
Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered in Berlin on the May Day festival, 1937

Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith. from our point of view as representatives of the state, we need believing people.
Hitler,[quoted from Helmreich, p.241]

Without doubt the chancellor lives in faith in God. He recognizes Christianity as the foundation of Western culture.
Cardinal Faulhaber [quoted from Helmreich, p.279]

"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
Hitler

And finally Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war...

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#183027 Nov 7, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpor
Loony, you can go a month without eating. Of course your as*hole will turn inside out for a while, which may benefit you. Would give you a real view of the world. You get numb from the experience. Get some nutrition on occasion and you can function on a lower level for a long time. Man and animal were built for feast and famine.
You can bounce back from it with no real ill effect. In fact, it can rid you of bad things. Cleanse the system. Not so good for developing organisms like children, but adults are pretty much set.
BZZZZT! Wrong, but thanks for playing. As the creationist museum explains, the larger animals, eg., elephants, rhinos and of course the dinosaurs were brought on while they were still small so that there would be enough room.
Can't you liars at least get your stories straight? Now you're trying to wriggle out of seasickness with torpor....clearly both are wrong.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#183028 Nov 7, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Funny. The thing is that in the original manuscript the number is 616, the 666 came about when some monk doing a copy thought “616, hmmm, that don’t sound right, perhaps they meant 666.”
http://peopleofyahuwah.files.wordpress.com/20...
It throws the spanner into credibility for sure.
Here is another funny (and coincidence) about the number.
In Moscow they has the 666 bus route no one would travel on. The authorities changed the number to , would you believe, 616
LOL! It reminds me that most hotels don't have a 13th floor, just more catering to uneducated and superstitious people.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#183029 Nov 7, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Oh,,yeah, same ol' same ol', then, eh?
Pretty much.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#183030 Nov 7, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
A look at a list of Eagle 12's uneducated, willfully ignorant, mind numbing slobbering idiocy:
1.) Floating debris from the Japanese tsunami and the Nina, Pinta, and the Santa Maria, are the same as a 400 foot Ark loaded with every animal on the planet along with food for a year.
2.) The ark had a septic system. No reference to this in his holy book, so when questioned decided he'd just make shit up.
3.) When confronted wit the genetic bottle neck problem, he calls scientific FACTS and Genetic research "speculation and unproven."
4.) He doesn't believe his own holy book, says the Noah Flood was "regional" and the animals ONLY from that region.
5) He continues to dispute his holy book by saying the mountain tops were covered in SNOW, even though his holy book says the world was covered in FLOOD WATERS.
6.) Flat out avoided questions on animals needing special diets and animals from down under.
Avoiding questions he know he has no answer for or actually knows they are true, making insane correlations, rejecting scientific facts, and when backed into a corner (most of the time) he turns on his own holy book reinterpreting the actual words to shape his own conclusions.
Dishonest, ignorant, and deceitful, he has NO redeeming qualities whatsoever.
It is funny to watch though.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#183031 Nov 7, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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LOL! It reminds me that most hotels don't have a 13th floor, just more catering to uneducated and superstitious people.
Superstition?(often disguised as religion) the mind killer

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