Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

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Fowler, CO

#181740 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>retch, puke, vomit.


This will make everyone else sick.

Cool, daddy.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181741 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you are saying it is impossible for it to have rained in Noah’s time?
What? My post had nothing to do with Noah.

I was criticizing the "genealogies" in the bible-- all of which contradict each other.

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#181742 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Y4YR-sTM468XX
This will make everyone else sick.
Cool, daddy.
I wonder who the fat man in the blue suit tooting the horn is.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181743 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So what you are saying it is impossible for it to have rained in Noah’s time?
And you are saying it is impossible that rain caused severe flooding?
That’s just plain crazy Bob. There’s no way in hell that could be true.
Floods are a fact, then and now. There was a flood in Noah’s time.
Floods happen, sure.

But a single global flood that covered everything? Never happened.

For one? To get enough water in only 40 days? The rate of falling would be the same as being underwater.

And the energy release from all that falling water? Would melt the crust....

... lots and lots of problems with a global flood.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181744 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
DNA?
Bob we are talking about rain....rain.... and flooding.
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If your idiot bible is correct?

Then the entire human race **had** to come from just 8 people.

The DNA says otherwise.

Thus? Your flood story is a lie.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181745 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Stupid assertion, you're no different from those that see a rainbow and assert that this validates their belief in God. You take something that occurs naturally and stake a claim to it as proof for your personal God, who lame can you get!!!
There are bigger fish to fry than ragging on BenAdam.

His god is the same poetic license that Einstein used.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181746 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>So you are saying that the bible is wrong when it gives the date of Noah's flood? You're as much as saying the biblical time-line is invalid. Good for you for recognizing how untrustworthy your holy book is when it comes to any science matters.
Yes, you are right to believe what Dr. Ballard has found, the Black Sea Deluge, which undoubtedly flooded a huge portion of land. Now, did you see ANYWHERE were Dr Ballad mentioned a (WORLD-WIDE FLOOD?) Did he mention the earth flooded to the extent where entire mountain ranges were covered?
Do yourself a friggin favor and do just a little research on the subject, that way you won't look so fuckinstupid.
Yep: Eagle 12 is a big fat liar.

He tells a partial truth in order to lie.

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#181747 Oct 28, 2013


A little music with some soul and spirit.

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Location hidden

#181748 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheeit. A five pound hammer.
LOL!!
I've swung a 12 pounder while hanging off ropes on greasy steel 150 feet off the ground.
Come back when you get a real hammer, and know how to swing it, little boy.
You couldn't swing a 2 pound magnet with a string attached. lol
Wonder Dave.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181749 Oct 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post, Bob.
Where are the faithful while Obama is fighting the good fight? They seemto be siding with the wealthy enemies of public health care. One can talk all he wishes about love, but actions speak the loudest. We know what love is, and it is not that.
*******
On a related noted, the Christians are pretty vocal these days about Obamacare violating Christian law:
"we should be praying for Christian businesses such as Hobby Lobby and Domino's Pizza, who are seeking legal protection from the demands of Obamacare. These are private businesses whose Christian owners refuse to obey a federal requirement that they believe violates God's law ... Hobby Lobby, for instance, faces $1.3 million per day for refusing to provide abortifacient contraceptives to its 13,000 employees."
http://www.christianity.com/christian-life/po...
The Christians seem to think that their religious rights are being infringed upon if they can't decide whether their employees' insurance will provide abortifacient contraceptives to those that want them.
I see that as yet another example of Christian exceptionalism - the idea that somehow Christian preferences should have priority, an idea rooted in a "self-goodness / other-badness" mindset.
Yes: hypocrisy is the central theme for all christianity.

None follow what Jesus supposedly sad in the bible-- none.

Yet all claim to follow Jesus... what?

Hypocrites, the whole lot.

... meh.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181750 Oct 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What could be more affirming than your disputant adopting your principles, even if he does claim that they were his fisrt?
Yes... it really doesn't matter in the end, does it?

The 1960's civil rights did happen, and great strides towards equality were finally had.

Not complete-- not by any measure, but great strides-- so it really doesn't matter how the idea got rolling.

But secularism has been slowly eroding the bible's strangle-hold on "morality" since the beginning of the Enlightenment.

And a more fitting name for that bit of history I cannot imagine.

:)

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181751 Oct 28, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
The master/slave thing is the biblical model for all authority: god over man, king over subject, husband over wife, parent over child, and man over the beasts.
If you "just shut up and obey--regardless," you forfeit your right to an authentic adulthood. Autonomy, freedom of the self, and self-actualization are humanist values, whereas submission is the highest Christian good. They disparagingly call our values pride, ego, rebellion, arrogance, selfishness, self-worship, lack of self-discipline and trying to avoid accountability.
Yep. Master/slave is so ... bronze age.

It's high time we put that silly idea away where it belongs: back in the actual bronze age itself.

The True Believers™ use this as an excuse for bad behavior-- they claim "I'm not perfect" or other attempts to dodge their responsibility (for their own behavior).

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181752 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
Roanoke 1892–1905 sunk after having burnt down to the waterline A huge four-masted barque with skysails of a total length of 360 ft (110 m) and 3,539 GRT. In 1905 she was in command of Capt. Jabez A. Amesbury when it caught fire while loading at the anchorage of Noumea. The crew, sustained by those of the four-masted barque Susquehanna of the same owner and the three-masted ship Arabia, all in all 60 men, tried to fight the fire. This American ship used iron bolts and steel reinforcements. It belonged to the fleet of Arthur Sewell & Co. of Bath, Maine. It was the largest wooden ship (115 m / 377 ft LOA) after the Great Republic.[22][23]
(329.5 ft) 15.3 m
(50 ft 1 in) Wyoming 1909–1924 sunk[25] This American ship had a tendency to flex in heavy seas, causing the long planks to twist and buckle.[26] This allowed sea water into the hold, which had to be pumped out.[27] The overall length including jibboom was 450 feet (140 m).
102.1 m
(335 ft)[28] 16.2 m
(53 ft) Great Republic 1853–1872 abandoned leaking[29] This American ship used iron bolts, and reinforced with steel, including ninety 36 foot 4x1 inch cross braces, and metal keelsons.[30] The MIT Museum noted that: "With this behemoth, McKay had pushed wooden ship construction to its practical limits.".[31] The overall length including jibboom was 400 ft (120 m).
102.1 m
(335 ft) 18.3 m
(60 ft) HMS Orlando and HMS Mersey 1858–1871, 1875 resp. sold as scrap These British warships were pushing the limits of what was possible in wooden ship construction and suffered structural problems.[32][33]
(311 feet) Pretoria 1900–1905 sunk An American barge built for use on the Great Lakes. To strengthen its wooden frame and hull, it included steel keelson plates, chords, arches, and also was diagonally strapped with steel. A donkey engine powered a pump to keep its interior dry.[34]
(377.3 ft) 22.2 m
(72.8 ft) Rochambeau 1865–1874 scrapped This French ship was an iron-clad ship built in New York. About 50 feet (15 m) of her length was a ram. She was not particularly stable or seaworthy, even with her substantial metal components, and only made one voyage in the open ocean to reach her new owners.
Notice all these ships over 300 feet HAD to be reenforced with STEEL and IRON braces, and even then the twisted in rough seas and leaked.
A little lesson for you on boats in the ocean. The only way to survive heavy seas is to be sure the bow of the boat is alway "into" the weather, for this you need propulsion, sails or a motor, otherwise the boat will flounder and possibly capsize, this is even true for the biggest tankers and container ships. The supposed Ark had NO power source, and would have been at the mercy of the sea. As big and as top heavy as it is depicted, it would have capsized in the first heavy seas, or, without iron bracing, broken apart and sunk.
Yep. The Ark, if built to Bible specs? Would have sunk in under 30 minutes, as soon as it hit the water...

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181753 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
This should resolve the issue of steering and propulsion.
http://www.viewzone2.com/noah.anchordemo.jpg
It was not supposed to be a big ship under power, thus the designs that failed on larger ships you described are irrelevant. It just had to float.
That picture is 100% bullsh7t. The bible does not mention either item-- since they are **critical** to the ark's success? They would've been mentioned.

But it does not solve the fact that the ark, as described, would have sunk within 30 minutes due to leaks.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181754 Oct 28, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
No reference supplied, which marine engineering firm was this? I have tried several searches with no results. You would think a bold and major statement like that which can validate at least part of the religious belief of three major world religions would at least warrant a small article in a newpaper.
The only attempt to prove it is possible was not a great success. A duplicate ark of the description in the babble was built, moored on the Thames during part of the 2012 Olympic games until it was moved on for health and safety reasons
You will note that it was built by a modern engineering company using 21st century methods of Swedish pine (unavailable in the middle east) and steel fabrications had to be used as bracing and reinforcing, unavailable pre the late industrial revolution.
And?

Modern glues and caulks to seal the boards.

The ark as described, would have sunk within 30 minutes due to leaks.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181755 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
There are enough water molecules on and in the earth to rise above Everest if it was dumped on the surface as "water".
Lie. There is not.
Dave Nelson wrote:
And don't forget the earth was smaller back then. We have been accumulating tons of matter per day from the sun alone.
Lie. It was not.

Why do you like in such easy to prove-a-lie way?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181756 Oct 28, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>It has bee estimated that it would take 3.5 billion cubic MILES of EXTRA water to cover the planet to the extent that is portrayed in the bible. Where all this extra water came from and where it went is usually avoided by the Godbots. I do believe that Dave thinks the planet flew through a giant celestial rain cloud, of course that doesn't account for where all that water disappeared to.
He said the earth was ... smaller then.

Wait... what?

Apparently at some point, the earth was on a diet....?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#181757 Oct 28, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Lungs would have burst from the atmospheric pressure increase with that much water added to our earth, Dave.
And even worse: that much water, falling that far, would have raised the earth's temperature enough to melt the surface...
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#181758 Oct 28, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder who the fat man in the blue suit tooting the horn is.
Sorry, no conversations with the mentally challenged!!!

Since: Sep 08

Fowler, CO

#181759 Oct 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You couldn't swing a 2 pound magnet with a string attached. lol
Wonder Dave.
It would be a strain nowadays, but in years past I could swing that 12 pounder up high and hold in a ton of shit wanting to come out at the same time.

Heaven was in the opposite direction of where I would have gone if I missed.

You should pull up a bucket with that hammer and a couple of impact wrenches they were used on, and a few other items 100 foot leaning over a rickety rusty guardrail on a rickety rusty catwalk with a handline all by yourself.

My son counted 17 hammers I had at one time.

Five pound hammer. Hah ha.

Come back when you are serious.

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