Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181842 Oct 29, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Your post are text book on why I am against paraphrasing. Beside what is standard of paraphrasing your responses are not even in the ball park of your break down.
More unsubstantiated opinions.

If you want to have any impact on skeptics, you need to demonstrate that your opinions are based on more than faith. How about producing one of these paraphrasings you like to condemn without support, put it next to what you claim was paraphrased, and demonstrate what it is that you are objecting to?

Faith may be the currency of belief in your circles, but not with skeptics. All you do by making faith based claims is reinforce the skeptic's understanding that they are of no value to him. Your failure to supply such evidence when you have a good reason to do so and when it would be easy were your claim valid is actually evidence that you can't.
LCNLin

Marietta, GA

#181843 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Here is a link to the actual speech, not just the extract you chose to cherry pick
ďOur epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldnít, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance.Ē-Hitlerís Table Talk, pg 343-344

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181844 Oct 29, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
[Atheism] is the belief man knows everything.
There's a useless definition. If atheism is a belief, it's the belief that you haven't made your case for a god.
Robert Stevens wrote:
To claim it as proven is saying exactly that.
We don't claim atheism is proven.

We don't even claim that it is an assertion, just an unassailable opinion that cannot successfully be invalidated without producing a god: "I don't believe you, Mr. Preacher Man."

Since: Jun 07

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#181845 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The Biblical story is Adam was made, then Eve was made from Adam. Then their offspring mated with women from someplace else. So you have a crossing of genes there that proceeded to Noah. Noah had a direct link back to Adam, as did his children and wives assumedly.
There was a mass extinction event and this world is the result of it.
Disproven religious bullsh*t and you know it!

First prove your god, then lie some more afterwards and see if the rest works on em.

Don't give up your day job creationist propogandist.

Since: Jun 07

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#181846 Oct 29, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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ďOur epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity. It will last another hundred years, two hundred years perhaps. My regret will have been that I couldnít, like whoever the prophet was, behold the promised land from afar. We are entering into a conception of the world that will be a sunny era, an era of tolerance.Ē-Hitlerís Table Talk, pg 343-344
Shaddap you creationist.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#181847 Oct 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Can you back your opinions up with anything? Just as my opinion is meaningless to you, what you believe is of no value to others - only what you can demonstrate.
Of course he cannot, because he is a religious liar, who is doing what his cult paid him to do in the atheism forum.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#181848 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I see, you know a lot, and you think itís impossible to have H2O covering a mountain top. Letís see, whatís on top of Mt McKinley?
According to you itís a dry desert. Itís impossible for water to be covering a mountain top?
Itís called snow, H20, One hydrogen and two oxygen molecules. Water in the frozen form.
I hope you are much better at music then you are in science and engineering. The last I heard, wood floats in most cases. Tons of it was floated down rivers all over America for over a hundred years to get to saw mills.
Letís see a Ark made of wood is not like a Ark made of concrete. I bet since wood floats thereís a good chance a Ark made out of wood will float.
Iím really not trying to make you look bad Doctor. Youíre doing a good job of that all by yourself.
That's two hydrogen and one oxygen, you blistering, apocalyptic imbecile.
LCNLin

Marietta, GA

#181849 Oct 29, 2013
Yawn

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181850 Oct 29, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
ĎThe nautical engineering firm Shearer and Associates wrote regarding the ark that it would have been structurally sound and would have had sufficient stability and buoyancy for the cargo carried.Ē Naval architects at t KRISO (renamed MOERI in 2005) in Korea who studied Noahís Ark in 1992 and declared the biblical specifications sound.

I found secular references to KRISO aka MOERI, but when I added the word "ark" to search, all I got was Christians making the claim.

Do you have a source for that that isn't a Christian apologetics site or page? Would you agree that if it is true, you should be able to find the source that the Christians are using, and that if you can't, a skeptic is justified in assuming that the claim was made up until somebody can?

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181851 Oct 29, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Disproven religious bullsh*t and you know it!
First prove your god, then lie some more afterwards and see if the rest works on em.
Don't give up your day job creationist propogandist.
Eeeww!!

I wish someone or something would put some salve and a bandage on you.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181852 Oct 29, 2013
chance47 wrote:
Are you so uncomfortable with having nothing more to demonstrate than 'faith'?
They don't actually argue that faith or their faith based beliefs are valid, just that alternatives are no less invalid. I can't see why I'd convert to (religious) faith even if I accepted that argument. What would be the incentive?

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#181853 Oct 29, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Local floods, not world wide floods that require 9 metres of water per hour falling on every square cm of earth for 40 days and 40 nights
Have you seen many all water planets?
Well, technically...

There's the Jovian moon Europa. Only a tad smaller than our own Moon, which deserves classification as a planet itself...

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#181854 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Oh. I mentioned driving across an area of Turkey that was around an elevation of 1000 foot, or more, that was extremely jagged and could only have been produced by a flood. The glaciers didn't reach that far south.
That's the Turkish Massif, you epic idiot!

It's volcanic!

Name of Lķgh, you're stupid.

It's all jagged as the result of local conditions - rain and snowmelt.

Sheesh.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181855 Oct 29, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
Good on you , you tell me you are not against personal freedom, but against enslavement and brainwashing of the mind.
I salute this thinking.
Thanks. Yes, I support freedom of thought and freedom of expression of that thought, meaning the unimpeded exchange of reliable information and of opinions offered and argued on their merits among a well education populus.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181856 Oct 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Well, technically...
There's the Jovian moon Europa. Only a tad smaller than our own Moon, which deserves classification as a planet itself...
And hasn't been collecting the matter from the sun like we have over the eons.

:-)

Jupiter and Saturn are planet nurseries. They grow up and get kicked out.

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Alamosa, CO

#181857 Oct 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>That's the Turkish Massif, you epic idiot!
It's volcanic!
Name of Lķgh, you're stupid.
It's all jagged as the result of local conditions - rain and snowmelt.
Sheesh.
Uh huh.

Been 40 years since I saw it. Just remember a very sharp and jagged area for a good ways that looked running water sculpted. Can't remember if it was the drive from Izmir to Sardis or Lake Van.
Very interesting landscape across there. Some really gorgeous areas. Denizli was stunningly beautiful. Think that was the city's name. Was the last one before Lake Van. Minarets and women in traditional clothes with gorgeous colors glistening in late afternoon sunlight. I was gobsmacked by the beauty of it. And the beauty of Turkish women.

Turkey is a very interesting place to visit.

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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#181858 Oct 29, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Well, technically...
There's the Jovian moon Europa. Only a tad smaller than our own Moon, which deserves classification as a planet itself...
Ahh, I agree, but a moon, not a planet and frozen surface so no surface tidal actions. I believe Dave actually meant a liquid water planet because he stated that a wave would go right around it.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181859 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
The solar wind blows away more than it adds? Be advised gravity is what holds that hydrogen and helium here. They will not wander off on their own.
I'll alert the scientific community.
Dave Nelson wrote:
They would also have to escape the magnetosphere the same as incoming is affected by it. The sun and earth magnetic fields do connect every few minutes that bypasses that block inward.
Much of that was unintelligible to me. But the part I understood is not correct. The earth's and sun's magnetic fields - called the earth's magnetosphere and the interplanetary magnetic field - never cease interacting.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Look up changes in orbital distance. You will see different ideas and nothing concrete. But the simple fact is a lighter earth will have to slow down to maintain its distance, a heavier will be drawn in or speed up to maintain that distance based upon gravity. I have posted before about alternative methods.
The earth is getting larger. That mass and energy is being caught in the very energetic swirl that we are.
Sorry, Dave, but your reports are not reliable information. If you want me to read something, link me to it and specify the passages, or cut-and-paste them into your post with a link. I'm not motivated to confirm or disconfirm your opinions.
Dave Nelson wrote:
I made a few posts about how your simple minded view of the physics won't work. Be sure to read the ones about average elevation and tides.
I saw those. They were irrelevant to the topic being discussed - the feasibility of a global flood as described in the Christian bible. The average elevation of the land is not a factor in determining how much water it could take to completely submerge it. Nor is the tide.

I'll tell you what I told Robert Stevens: unsupported claims from unknown or unreliable sources are not worth much to a skeptic. You'd have to say something pretty provocative or interesting for me to want to try and confirm or disconfirm it on your say so.

If you want your words to have an impact, support them yourself. Demonstrate their validity with evidence and cogent argument when you can. Without that, they are only statements of what you believe, which are only meaningful to you. And failure to try when it ought to be easy to do so were it possible is a pretty good reason to believe that you can't.

So,yeah,I saw your posts. Your opinions were noted, and I moved on without a comment.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181860 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
God didn't write the book
We know. But don't tell the people that base their lives on it.

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Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#181861 Oct 29, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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And hasn't been collecting the matter from the sun like we have over the eons.
:-)
Jupiter and Saturn are planet nurseries. They grow up and get kicked out.
No, yet AGAIN, you quarter-wit.

Jupiter, Saturn, and the Sun EAT planetoids. Heve you not paid attention??

They do NOT grow planets.

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