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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181565 Oct 27, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Genealogy is listed in the Bible.
Particular missing are detailed years like you would expect on the top page of a newspaper. Probably because there were no newspapers in print at that time. Everything was chiseled onto a stone tablet.
And Doctor, stop calling people liars and cowards. It’s rude and unnecessary. I would expect a more gentleman’s communiqué from an educated man.
HOLY SHIT, are you kidding????? "There was no newsprint at the time EVERYTHING WAS CHISELED ONTO A STONE TABLET" Ouch, and ouch once again.

I have no problems calling my students stupid when they deserve it. And when someone is afraid to answer because the answer would be the same as admitting they were wrong, the that is called cowardly. You make an assertion, I refute that assertion with reason and logic, you MUST recognize the validity of my point, yet you either try and change the subject, or reject all reason and logic or any factual information. When someone rejects factual information then anyone is justified in calling that person stupid. When someone tries to deflect a question because it would expose their beliefs as nonsensical, that call being a coward. IT has nothing to do with being a gentleman, I have every right you assign you as being stupid and cowardly.

Here is a prime example of you being STUPID. Stupid is the same as being willfully ignorant, willfully ignorant because you failed to educate yourself on the topic at hand, and proceed to make a STUPID statement. "Everything was chiseled on stone tablets." Ever hear of PAPYRUS? Papyrus is what the Old Testament was written on. All Egyptian records and documents were written on papyrus. Before that VELLUM was used. Vellum (animal skins) and parchment. Pens were made from dry reeds cut to a point with a small slit at the end, or bird quills.

Now.........It is a PROVEN FACT that both the Egyptian empire and the Chinese empire were established and both flourishing at the time of the Noah's flood. Even using an approximate time frame off by as much as 500 years, it still puts both civilizations smack dab i the middle of a global flood that is supposed to have killed everyone on Earth. Why are the histories of both cultures UNBROKEN with no mention of a disaster of such epic proportions?

Did anyone from the Egyptian empire or the Chinese empire HEAR NOAH'S FOREWARNING OF A GLOBAL FLOOD?

Now don't be stupid or cowardly, just do your best to supply an intelligent answer. Thanks
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181566 Oct 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Shhh, don't pay attention to the crazy person, maybe he'll just go away.

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181567 Oct 27, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Shhh, don't pay attention to the crazy person, maybe he'll just go away.
I can just see the headlines in the Boston paper.

Page 1

"Internationally acclaimed music professor and jazz trumpeter cancels concert"

Page 1, 3 days later.

"Thousands of frozen starved squirrels found in city park"
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181568 Oct 27, 2013
who="Eagle 12"<quoted text>
<THIS FROM ABC NEWS>
Stop going to those Atheist sites. That crap is all made up.
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.
"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."
Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.
"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."
The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.
Now you are being BOTH stupid and cowardly. This is an except from an ABC NEWS report on Dr Ballad. So I take it you consider ABC NEWS to be an Atheist site? Shit like this is what makes you stupid.
If you're intelligent enough read the last paragraph. Now try and comprehend what it says about the biblical Noah account being inspired by a LOCAL disaster. A very large flood indeed, 150,000 kilometers of land, but a far cry from a Global flood that covered everything.
I'd feel so stupid now if I were you, and embarrassed to the point of not showing my face here ever again. But I just don't think you're smart enough to even realize how idiotic you sound. Pity

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181569 Oct 27, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
According to a controversial theory proposed by two Columbia University scientists, there really was one in the Black Sea region. They believe that the now-salty Black Sea was once an isolated freshwater lake surrounded by farmland, until it was flooded by an enormous wall of water from the rising Mediterranean Sea. The force of the water was two hundred times that of Niagara Falls, sweeping away everything in its path.
Fascinated by the idea, Ballard and his team decided to investigate.
"We went in there to look for the flood," he said. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."
Four hundred feet below the surface, they unearthed an ancient shoreline, proof to Ballard that a catastrophic event did happen in the Black Sea. By carbon dating shells found along the shoreline, Ballard said he believes they have established a timeline for that catastrophic event, which he estimates happened around 5,000 BC. Some experts believe this was around the time when Noah's flood could have occurred.
"It probably was a bad day," Ballard said. "At some magic moment, it broke through and flooded this place violently, and a lot of real estate, 150,000 square kilometers of land, went under."
The theory goes on to suggest that the story of this traumatic event, seared into the collective memory of the survivors, was passed down from generation to generation and eventually inspired the biblical account of Noah.
Now you are being BOTH stupid and cowardly. This is an except from an ABC NEWS report on Dr Ballad. So I take it you consider ABC NEWS to be an Atheist site? Shit like this is what makes you stupid.
If you're intelligent enough read the last paragraph. Now try and comprehend what it says about the biblical Noah account being inspired by a LOCAL disaster. A very large flood indeed, 150,000 kilometers of land, but a far cry from a Global flood that covered everything.
I'd feel so stupid now if I were you, and embarrassed to the point of not showing my face here ever again. But I just don't think you're smart enough to even realize how idiotic you sound. Pity
I posted these on another forum.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1769468/scientists...

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/su201105

A lotta water out there. Earth could have driven through a rainstorm.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181570 Oct 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
Incorrect. I don;t claim that the "rainboow" is caused by a deity. I claim that the rainbow is caused by natural laws and those natural laws I call "God". No magic Sky Daddy needed.
You become just as batshit crazy as anyone else who holds an unsupported belief simple because it "feels good" You pick something, then label it as God, no different from a rainbow, you just picked something else natural. To make your position even worse, you have no GOOD reason for your belief, it just makes you feel good, or in your case somehow superior to the average Theists. You think just because you don't model your God thing after the Christian God, that you are somehow on a higher plain of logic, your Not, an unsupported belief is just that, no matter why you care to call it.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181571 Oct 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I posted these on another forum.
http://www.fastcompany.com/1769468/scientists...
http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/su201105
A lotta water out there. Earth could have driven through a rainstorm.
I don't accept information for a crazy person, sorry!!!

Since: Sep 08

Alamosa, CO

#181572 Oct 27, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You become just as batshit crazy as anyone else who holds an unsupported belief simple because it "feels good" You pick something, then label it as God, no different from a rainbow, you just picked something else natural. To make your position even worse, you have no GOOD reason for your belief, it just makes you feel good, or in your case somehow superior to the average Theists. You think just because you don't model your God thing after the Christian God, that you are somehow on a higher plain of logic, your Not, an unsupported belief is just that, no matter why you care to call it.


Goodnight, loony.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#181573 Oct 27, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You become just as batshit crazy as anyone else who holds an unsupported belief simple because it "feels good" You pick something, then label it as God,....
So, you think the Laws that govern the Universe are bullshit just because I use a nonsense word for them ?

You are as stupid as any theist.

If I said I believed in a Grand Unified Theory of Relativity or String Theory you would be happier ?

It seems you are just as fixated on anthropomorphic deities as the theists.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#181574 Oct 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =jNHM4AL7LdUXX
Goodnight, loony.
Note that he is exactly what I was referring to when I said I see no difference between certain theists and atheists.

Egotism seems to be more important to them than rational discourse.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#181575 Oct 27, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
That is why that was the only thing you could understand in that response I made.
4th grade now, huh?
Your ambiguous metaphors aren't "gotten," they are simply the products of your increasingly loose grasp of reality. You should check around the house for a gas leak.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#181577 Oct 27, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Your ambiguous metaphors aren't "gotten," they are simply the products of your increasingly loose grasp of reality. You should check around the house for a gas leak.
Dave went to bed.

He'll get back to you in the morning.

Unless there's a critical EM event of some sort, like if the forces reversed or something.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#181579 Oct 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave went to bed.
He'll get back to you in the morning.
Unless there's a critical EM event of some sort, like if the forces reversed or something.

Since: Sep 10

Redondo Beach, CA

#181580 Oct 27, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =P_PVz8HrrCIXX
That's great, I don't know how you find these.

Radio waves are the longest, and Gamma waves are the shortest.

That's what I learned.

I just wonder what it is that makes people think up a song like that.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#181581 Oct 27, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you think the Laws that govern the Universe are bullshit just because I use a nonsense word for them ?
You are as stupid as any theist.
If I said I believed in a Grand Unified Theory of Relativity or String Theory you would be happier ?
It seems you are just as fixated on anthropomorphic deities as the theists.
The laws that govern the universe are just that, there is no reason to attach a God thing to them. You may affix anything you like to naturalistic events and theories, by doing so you demonstrate the same mentality as Theists who affix a God to all things. Why are you any different in your unsupported beliefs? Like all Theists you have absolutely no evidence for what you believe. Attaching a label to the Laws that govern the universe, and calling this attachment your personal God, is just a feeble and childish as any other religious belief.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#181586 Oct 27, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dave went to bed.
He'll get back to you in the morning.
Unless there's a critical EM event of some sort, like if the forces reversed or something.
It'd be a real shame if dave missed something like that.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#181587 Oct 28, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's great, I don't know how you find these.
Radio waves are the longest, and Gamma waves are the shortest.
That's what I learned.
I just wonder what it is that makes people think up a song like that.
Never underestimate me Catcher.

That never works.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181588 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
Believe me I know there’s some good hearted Atheist out there. But here on topix we see the far extreme militant views. We are not talking here moderate Atheist but extremist. I don’t need to name them because all us regulars know who they are.
How can an atheist be extreme? By disbelieving too much? Impossible. One can only believe too much, not disbelieve too much. One can be an extreme believer - a fundamentalist fanatic, for example.

As for being militant, we're never militant. Militant is waging crusades and holy wars. Militant is burning men and women alive at the stake, impaling them in the Iron Maiden, or stretching them on the rack until they confess Jesus. Militant is bombing abortion clinics.

We just post on the Internet. If that makes you scream or bleed, it really speaks more to you than to any militance on our part.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Everything our nation stands for including the right to freedom of religion is under attack ... That said oath is to preserve and defend the constitution. It must be preserved at all cost. Too many have made the ultimate sacrifice for it to be destroyed. We must never let extremism alter our freedoms.
That's a good description of the Dominionists, the only religious group that is openly and belligerently in defiance of the Constitution.

The American Constitution is one of the crowning achievements of secular humanism. The principle features of American government include its secularity and its humanism - its defense of the rights of the common man.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181589 Oct 28, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
God would have spared the Earth from the great flood had the people repented. But their were hard hearted and they were full of stubbornness.
Every one but eight? So he drowned them? And every other creature that walked the earth? Once again, rational ethicists reject won't call that kind of behavior good, right, just or loving. It's genocide in the extreme.

And if you stand by that - if you call that moral behavior - you don't have much to say to rational ethicists.
blacklagoon wrote:
The point being, your God has no problems aborting late term healthy babies, why does it bother you so much?
Eagle 12 wrote:
Early on in my life I didn’t give it much thought. I guess you can say I was neutral on the issue. However an abortion was not something myself or my wife would ever be involved with. As time went on I began to learn more about the subject. I learned that abortion is a horrendous and utterly sickening procedure. I won’t go into the details but I’ll just say it’s horrible what someone would do to a unborn child. Barbaric is not even close to describe the procedure.
Here we are on topix, and the very people that claim God is a murder, support unrestricted abortions. Mankind takes the trophy in murdering infants. And I think hypocrisy stinks to high heaven Doctor. God gave people a choice to be saved in most cases and even in war. An Example was Rahab at Jericho. She and her household was saved because she asked for mercy.
Then your god gets a pass?

What message do you suppose that send about your outrage at abortionists? Or about faith based ethics in general? You seem to think that whatever your god does or says is good by definition, even when the same behavior in men makes your blood boil.

Rational ethicists reject such a basis for morality. We think that right and wrong depend on the consensus of all people trying to make their collective lives better, not the whims and caprices of an angry and jealous god in an ancient holy book.
Eagle 12 wrote:
Not once have you came out Doctor against the ravages of abortion. Not once. Hypocrisy stinks Doctor. It’s best you abort the subject because every time you reply to me God is a murder. I’m going to come back talking about murdering the unborn by abortion.
Your selective outrage is unconvincing. You need to be consistent to speak with moral authority. If you believe that your god has the power to protect and preserve each fertilized egg, then it is the greatest abortionist you know of. When you take a stand against its ethics, and not just just the ethics of non-Christians that support reproductive rights, then you will be convincing that you are sincere in your outrage rather than acting in furtherance of a faith based agenda.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#181590 Oct 28, 2013
Just Think wrote:
Again...the only "unproven detail" that needs to be debated with an atheist is the existence of a god or gods. There is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any god ever worshipped actually existed. All atheism is is the lack of a belief in deities. If you want to shut an atheist up about atheism, prove that any god is real.
"You cannot successfully refute atheism without producing a god."

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