Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180772 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I have had no by-passes. I do try and take care of myself, try and eat right, walk 5 miles every other day. Sailing involves some rigorous exercise, and I usually walk and carry my bag when I play golf. Some sexual activity with a younger women keeps me on my toes. LOL
I applaud you Doctor.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180773 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You went through three posts and each time went out of your way to avoid the issue. I guess you figure if you avoid the issue it will somehow go away, or, you simple agree with my statement. Of course you might disagree with it, but have no argument whatsoever. I'll pick you have no argument for your God being incredibly stupid
I do think you do believe he's real.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180774 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You would need to be following the conversation.
ahhh.... I see how it is. So now you're gonna act like I can't read. Awesome.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#180775 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You will find out.
Hey, Catcher, if mankind did away with God, who would they have to rebel against?
The world of man with no God, everyone in step and thinking the same thing. No passions. No excitement.
Your church sounds like a place to snooze in waiting for the sermon to end. Only problem is it would take a lifetime to experience something. Like leaving it.
Getting drunk and stripper poles get old fairly quick.
But...

You're too old to be using a stripper pole, Dave.

That's gotta be hard on the old ticker.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180776 Oct 19, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
Ok don't ask about The Christian God.
Don't ask you or don't ask anyone? And why not?

BTW, when I ask a question about the Christian god, it's a rhetorical question intended to demonstrate a point. I already know that what Christians call their god is whatever the individual Christian wants it to be, no two seeming to be able to agree about what that is, and few being less certain than the next.

By the way, what's your aversion to unbelievers asking questions or making comments about religion all about? Isn't that how we learn from and teach one another?
Robert Stevens wrote:
Tell the atheist that ask. No ****, I had one atheist who ask me all about my God, then ball me out for not answering his questions, later ball me out for answering someone else's questions. Saying "I was off Topic" The 2nd time this worm meat did this, I actually predicted it would happen.
That's terrible. How did you cope with that?
Robert Stevens wrote:
The truth is we all have faith, until mankind knows all, that is just the way it is.
That depends on the definition you're using.

If you mean religious faith, which is certitude without evidence that is refractory to evidence, then no, we don't all have that. You have that, but I don't.

If you mean ordinary secular belief or trust, which is evidence based, tentative, and amenable to change in the face of contradictory new evidence, then yes, we all have that.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180777 Oct 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Why point that out? Who's requesting you or anybody else to go down my road? Choose whatever road make sense to you. What I do is help others make better decisions in that department by pointing out the failures and hypocrisies of Christianity.
Robert Stevens wrote:
In regards to your last response. Please stop acting so stupid. Why else would you want to challenge someone after they confessed they have faith not absolute proof.


Sorry if you think I'm stupid. I'm doing my best to keep up with you.

I challenge faith because I consider it a logical error with adverse consequences for both the faith based thinker and those he/she influences. Did you know that one of the Supreme Court judges, Antonin Scalia, believes that Satan exists?

Reagan's Secretary of the Interior believed that an apocalypse was coming:

“We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand”- James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan

And Francis Collins, the Director of the National Institutes of Health, is also a faith based thinker.

So, every American citizen has a large stake and a personal interest in the matter of faith based thinking.

Do you not think I have a duty to try to educate people about the dangers of faith based thought?
Robert Stevens wrote:
It is exactly why I would understand someone being anti-religion.
Thanks for your understanding. So many theists are angry, bitter, small minded people.
Robert Stevens wrote:
In my book you offer the worse part of religion, without any of it's good.
What's the good part?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180778 Oct 20, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
You are assuming I do believe in evolution and it does not prove that there is no God.
I try not to assume any more than necessary, but you have to admit that you don't provide much information, so I am forced to make my best guesses.
Robert Stevens wrote:
The truth is the best answer is, the human race was created by an advance race. This could be so hard on some fans of science, that they deny there is a God period.
Who needs gods when we have advanced races to do the creating?

By the way, how did you learn this truth? Did I miss something?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180779 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
God is not something you prove but something you experience.
An experience is not the same thing as experiencing the world. How do you know that you are not experiencing your own mind?
UIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#180780 Oct 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Sorry if you think I'm stupid. I'm doing my best to keep up with you.
I challenge faith because I consider it a logical error with adverse consequences for both the faith based thinker and those he/she influences. Did you know that one of the Supreme Court judges, Antonin Scalia, believes that Satan exists?
Reagan's Secretary of the Interior believed that an apocalypse was coming:
“We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand”- James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan
And Francis Collins, the Director of the National Institutes of Health, is also a faith based thinker.
So, every American citizen has a large stake and a personal interest in the matter of faith based thinking.
Do you not think I have a duty to try to educate people about the dangers of faith based thought?
<quoted text>
Thanks for your understanding. So many theists are angry, bitter, small minded people.
<quoted text>
What's the good part?
I don't think he know the support Authoritarians like Ex-Pres Ron Reagan (Evangelical xtain) supplied Weapons and aids to and praising Guatemala's military dictator in 1982; during the 17 months of Rios Montt's "Christian" campaign (1982-83), 400 villages were destroyed, 10,000-20,000 Indians were killed, and over 100,000 were forced to flee to
President Rios Montt [is] a man of great personal integrity and commitment who wants to improve the quality of life for all Guatemalans, and [is] getting a "bum rap" on human rights.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180781 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Upstanding world class citizens and staunch supporters of human rights. Of course Atheism was a part of their communist ideology. That’s why they were such human rights champions.
What is the biblical position on human and civil rights? Does it elaborate anywhere what if any those are, or how they are to be defended? Does the Christian god enforce any rights of man?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180782 Oct 20, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
A God that can be cruel, indifferent, and can HATE, is not a God worthy of worship. Notice how all of these traits are human traits. Do you really think a God should possess the same failings as humans? In humans, these are extremely undesirable traits, and societies scorns people with these traits.
Eagle 12 wrote:
God made man in his image. So we are like him in many ways.
Is that what you say the bible means when it says that we are made in a god's image? Is that my legacy from this god - my god nature? I work to eliminate that aspect of my nature.

Secular humanism esteems and promotes the opposite: kindness and compassion.
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180783 Oct 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What is the biblical position on human and civil rights? Does it elaborate anywhere what if any those are, or how they are to be defended? Does the Christian god enforce any rights of man?
Well Doc it's time to depart - brief stay at Reykjavík Iceland and I'm back to Schiphol airport in Amsterdam.

My very first stop will be @ Stones Corner for a cappuccino and a bud!, and I don't mean Budweiser!

"Know God "
Know nothing
"No God"
No problem!

Voor de goede orde, het is altijd een genoegen met u kan chatten.

Ik wens u het allerbeste leven te bieden heeft.

Adios amigo,
Vaya con dios! LOL

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180784 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
You may not want to use the word “faith” but you do have faith in everyday life. And the word itself doesn’t have to be associated with religion.
The word faith has many unrelated meanings. Here are five:

Faith (1)- certitude without evidence that is refractory to evidence. Faith (2)- ordinary secular belief or trust, which is evidence based, tentative, and amenable to change in the face of contradictory new evidence.
Faith (3)- sincerity of intentions, as something done in good or bad faith.
Faith (4)- a religious system such as the Hindu faith
Faith (5)- a girl or woman's name.

It's a logical error to equate or conflate them. The error is called an equivocation fallacy.

Here's an example of one:

It's a good idea to keep your money in banks.
Rivers have banks.
Therefore, it's a good idea to keep your money in rivers.

For a Christian to say that because I have faith in the fidelity of my wife that I am like a religious person, or to say that (religious) faith is valid because everybody has faith (evidence based expectation) is to make this same error of treating two radically different ideas that share a word as equivalent.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180785 Oct 20, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Well Doc it's time to depart - brief stay at Reykjavík Iceland and I'm back to Schiphol airport in Amsterdam.
My very first stop will be @ Stones Corner for a cappuccino and a bud!, and I don't mean Budweiser!
"Know God "
Know nothing
"No God"
No problem!
Voor de goede orde, het is altijd een genoegen met u kan chatten.
Ik wens u het allerbeste leven te bieden heeft.
Adios amigo,
Vaya con dios! LOL
Fare thee well, and see you on the threads soon, I hope.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#180786 Oct 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You will find out.
Hey, Catcher, if mankind did away with God, who would they have to rebel against?
The world of man with no God, everyone in step and thinking the same thing. No passions. No excitement.
Your church sounds like a place to snooze in waiting for the sermon to end. Only problem is it would take a lifetime to experience something. Like leaving it.
Getting drunk and stripper poles get old fairly quick.
You miss the point, and won't listen to me.
I suggest you check out the Oprah-Diana Nyad controversy.
And read Chris Stedman's new book, Faitheism.
I'm here to help.
And you are welcome in my church.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180787 Oct 20, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Does your god have a penis?
Of course he does, he f--ked every one with his global flood, at least thats what the children's story say's.

Since: Sep 10

United States

#180788 Oct 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
An experience is not the same thing as experiencing the world. How do you know that you are not experiencing your own mind?
Faitheism's author is the Humanist Chaplain at Harvard.

I haven't read it, but will.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180789 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The “experience” of having a hallucination can be real.
The same goes for the “experience” of having a heart attack. Or the experience of having a stroke.
But the hallucination itself is an illusion.
Back to what I had said previously. No one proves God to someone else. You “experience” God as a individual. And that takes an objective mind and a willingness to try.
My life is as good as it could possibly be. What advantage would there be for me to suddenly find God? In what way would finding God enhance my life? Science provides me with all the answers that I think are important, beyond that I have little interest.

It would be nice if you could just once answer my questions rather than dance around the issues as you are so apt to do. Thanks
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180790 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I applaud you Doctor.
Thank you kind sir
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180791 Oct 20, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
I do think you do believe he's real.
I don't deal in absolute's, but until I have sufficient evidence that a God or Gods exists, I will continue to reject the idea. Could I say with certainty that absolutely nowhere at no time did I higher power exits, no I couldn't. But I value my skepticism. Reason and logic are kind of a big deal to me, as is truth. All reason and logic tell me no such being could exist, at least the being portrayed by most religions, the Christian God in particular.

Once again I see NO advantage that believing in God has over NOT believing in God. I see no advantage that religion has over not being religious. One of my favorite quotes. "I was religious until I reached the age of reason."

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