Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180757 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for further confirming what an incredibly stupid God you worship. That he would pass on these extremely undesirable traits speaks to his idiocy. Your God is flawed for possessing these trait in the first place, and flawed once again for NOT realizing these traits as undesirable, and flawed a third time for passing them on to what are supposed to be his most prized creations. He's an omnipotent being he can chose whatever he wants, yet he purposely choses to be cruel, indifferent, and hateful, and somehow thinks it a good idea to infuse his creation with the same. Do you have even the slightest idea how completely insane this is?
There's no mechanical pump the size of your fist that can pump continiously for 85 years and pump over 50 million gallons of blood. I think that's some fine engineering.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180758 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for further confirming what an incredibly stupid God you worship. That he would pass on these extremely undesirable traits speaks to his idiocy. Your God is flawed for possessing these trait in the first place, and flawed once again for NOT realizing these traits as undesirable, and flawed a third time for passing them on to what are supposed to be his most prized creations. He's an omnipotent being he can chose whatever he wants, yet he purposely choses to be cruel, indifferent, and hateful, and somehow thinks it a good idea to infuse his creation with the same. Do you have even the slightest idea how completely insane this is?
The one that is incredibly stupid is the one that f*cks that pump up by being an idiot by smoking, doing drugs and not watching their diet. So how many by-passes have you had Doctor?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180759 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Rather than use the word "faith" I prefer the word "trust" I to trust my family and they have learned to trust me. To me faith is a religiously inspired word, faith is what Theists use with each other when talking about things that have no evidence. To me faith equals gullibility, faith is NOT a pathway to truth. I trust science, I don't use the word faith for anything in my life
I completely agree with you, and outside of this forum I would use the word trust as well, because I understand the definition of faith. However, to keep from having a completely different argument over the definition of a word, I just used the word faith so there are no issues with someone saying that "I NEED TO HAVE FAITH". I get so sick of hearing it. I know that I use the word on here as the secular definition...and it makes no difference to me really. I still don't have "faith" in a god ;) I trust science as well.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180760 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The “experience” of having a hallucination can be real.
The same goes for the “experience” of having a heart attack. Or the experience of having a stroke.
But the hallucination itself is an illusion.
Back to what I had said previously. No one proves God to someone else. You “experience” God as a individual. And that takes an objective mind and a willingness to try.
A willingness to try what?????

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180761 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have faith your car will start in the morning?
Do you have faith that the Zakim Bridge in Boston won’t collapse while you are driving across?
You may not want to use the word “faith” but you do have faith in everyday life. And the word itself doesn’t have to be associated with religion.
Why would anyone have faith that their car will start??? It could very easily not start in the morning.

Why would anyone have faith that the bridge would not fall...they would hope that it wouldn't, but that is built by man, and bridges have fallen before.

No, the word faith means trusting.... not hoping.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180762 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Do you realize if you live to be 85 years old. Your heart will have pumped over 50 million gallons of blood.
No that’s based on you not plugging it up by smoking and having a high cholesterol diet. I would say that’s pretty incredible and seriously doubt you could even build a mechanical pump that could do that well over 85 years.
What did this have to do with anything???
christINSANITY is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#180763 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I just love it when you speak in ignorance. Take great pleasure in watching you fluff up and spout bullshit about things for which you have no clue. Am overjoyed at watching you wave the flag of ignorance for all to see. You couldn't make me happier.
"Inspiration comes from the soul." "Atheists can do that"
I was going to paste the names of all the atheist composers, but I really don't need to do that, the list is extensive. One of the prime prerequisites for being a composer is inspiration, no soul needed. Like his music or not Billy Joel, an atheists was inspired to write many wonderful songs. Yip Harburg somehow found the inspiration to write the wonderful lyrics to Over The Rainbow, without a soul as he to was an Atheists. There can be no greater inspirational music than that composed by Dmitri Shostakovich and Maurice Ravel, both Atheists and soulless. You're an uneducated idiot who doesn't even realize when he speaks in ignorance.
also John Lennon and many many more

www.celebatheists.com/
Imhotep

Charlotte, NC

#180764 Oct 19, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
If what you say were true? No atheist would ever be a successful ...**anything**...
... but that's clearly false:
Most actors are atheists.
Most musicians are atheists too.
Proving you are simply full of shyt as per your usual.
A few you will enjoy ;). 1000's more.
I have a extensive collection of quotes.

"So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion is all bunk." ~Thomas Edison

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." ~Albert Einstein

“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”~Steven Weinberg (physicist and Nobel Laureate)

"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." ~Benjamin Franklin

"All religions bear traces of the fact that they arose during the intellectual immaturity of the human race – before it had learned the obligations to speak the truth. Not one of them makes it the duty of its God to be truthful and understandable in his communications." ~Freidrich Nietzsche

"I don't think we're here for anything, we're just products of evolution. You can say 'Gee, your life must be pretty bleak if you don't think there's a purpose' but I'm anticipating a good lunch." ~James Watson (Discoverer of DNA)

“The alleged short-cut to knowledge, which is faith, is only a short circuit destroying the mind.”~Ayn Rand

"I turned to speak to God, about the world's despair; But to make bad matters worse, I found God wasn't there." ~Robert Frost

For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream.
He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.

Flying out tomorrow Bob :(

Merry Christmas to you and family - hope to be back sometime in 2014.

“What?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#180765 Oct 19, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
THE Alice?
We've been introduced, just not to each other. You could say we have mutual acquaintances though. We both know secrets. Unfortunately I don't remember mine. I suppose that's for the best. I was never good at keeping secrets.
You don't know any of my secrets, do you? Someone should, just not me.
“I can't explain myself, I'm afraid, sir,' said Alice,'Because I'm not myself you see.”
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180766 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you have faith your car will start in the morning?
Do you have faith that the Zakim Bridge in Boston won’t collapse while you are driving across?
You may not want to use the word “faith” but you do have faith in everyday life. And the word itself doesn’t have to be associated with religion.
No I don't have faith that my car will start in the morning, I TRUST that it will because I have taken steps to make sure it does. If I had FAITH that it would start I would be relying on some magical force to start my car.

I also watched them build that bridge and have the upmost TRUST that they did what was necessary for it not to collapse.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180767 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no mechanical pump the size of your fist that can pump continiously for 85 years and pump over 50 million gallons of blood. I think that's some fine engineering.
I agree, isn't the evolution of the human body incredible.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180768 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The one that is incredibly stupid is the one that f*cks that pump up by being an idiot by smoking, doing drugs and not watching their diet. So how many by-passes have you had Doctor?
I have had no by-passes. I do try and take care of myself, try and eat right, walk 5 miles every other day. Sailing involves some rigorous exercise, and I usually walk and carry my bag when I play golf. Some sexual activity with a younger women keeps me on my toes. LOL
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#180769 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
The one that is incredibly stupid is the one that f*cks that pump up by being an idiot by smoking, doing drugs and not watching their diet. So how many by-passes have you had Doctor?
You went through three posts and each time went out of your way to avoid the issue. I guess you figure if you avoid the issue it will somehow go away, or, you simple agree with my statement. Of course you might disagree with it, but have no argument whatsoever. I'll pick you have no argument for your God being incredibly stupid

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180770 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>No I don't have faith that my car will start in the morning, I TRUST that it will because I have taken steps to make sure it does. If I had FAITH that it would start I would be relying on some magical force to start my car.
I also watched them build that bridge and have the upmost TRUST that they did what was necessary for it not to collapse.
I was a bit more on the pessimistic side when I responded to that post. This was a much more optimistic way of stating the difference :)
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180771 Oct 19, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
What did this have to do with anything???
You would need to be following the conversation.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180772 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I have had no by-passes. I do try and take care of myself, try and eat right, walk 5 miles every other day. Sailing involves some rigorous exercise, and I usually walk and carry my bag when I play golf. Some sexual activity with a younger women keeps me on my toes. LOL
I applaud you Doctor.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180773 Oct 19, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>You went through three posts and each time went out of your way to avoid the issue. I guess you figure if you avoid the issue it will somehow go away, or, you simple agree with my statement. Of course you might disagree with it, but have no argument whatsoever. I'll pick you have no argument for your God being incredibly stupid
I do think you do believe he's real.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180774 Oct 19, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
You would need to be following the conversation.
ahhh.... I see how it is. So now you're gonna act like I can't read. Awesome.

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#180775 Oct 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You will find out.
Hey, Catcher, if mankind did away with God, who would they have to rebel against?
The world of man with no God, everyone in step and thinking the same thing. No passions. No excitement.
Your church sounds like a place to snooze in waiting for the sermon to end. Only problem is it would take a lifetime to experience something. Like leaving it.
Getting drunk and stripper poles get old fairly quick.
But...

You're too old to be using a stripper pole, Dave.

That's gotta be hard on the old ticker.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180776 Oct 19, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
Ok don't ask about The Christian God.
Don't ask you or don't ask anyone? And why not?

BTW, when I ask a question about the Christian god, it's a rhetorical question intended to demonstrate a point. I already know that what Christians call their god is whatever the individual Christian wants it to be, no two seeming to be able to agree about what that is, and few being less certain than the next.

By the way, what's your aversion to unbelievers asking questions or making comments about religion all about? Isn't that how we learn from and teach one another?
Robert Stevens wrote:
Tell the atheist that ask. No ****, I had one atheist who ask me all about my God, then ball me out for not answering his questions, later ball me out for answering someone else's questions. Saying "I was off Topic" The 2nd time this worm meat did this, I actually predicted it would happen.
That's terrible. How did you cope with that?
Robert Stevens wrote:
The truth is we all have faith, until mankind knows all, that is just the way it is.
That depends on the definition you're using.

If you mean religious faith, which is certitude without evidence that is refractory to evidence, then no, we don't all have that. You have that, but I don't.

If you mean ordinary secular belief or trust, which is evidence based, tentative, and amenable to change in the face of contradictory new evidence, then yes, we all have that.

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