Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#179998 Oct 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
Remember when Peter said, "Greet one another with a kiss of love"?
I do that with my girlfriend.
Cool, huh?
Yes.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179999 Oct 14, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
October 12, 2013
POLL: AMERICANS DIVIDED OVER WHAT WILD ANIMAL THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE CONGRESS MAULED BY
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—As the partial government shutdown grinds on into its twelfth day, Americans remain deeply divided over what kind of wild animal they would most like to see Congress mauled by, according to a new poll released today.
While a majority of Americans say they would enjoy seeing Congress torn limb from limb by a ferocious bear, there is disagreement over which species of bear would be best suited for that assignment.
When asked,“What kind of bear would do the best job of savaging Congress with its fearsome paws?,” Americans gave grizzly bears the highest job-approval rating, followed by polar bears, and by black bears in a distant third.
But the poll showed that there was also strong support for the idea of Congress being set upon by a pack of rapacious animals, with rabid hyenas the first choice of many respondents, followed by feral dogs and cats.
While insatiable, bloodthirsty mammals were most often cited as the animals Americans would like to see eviscerate Congress, there was significant support for another scenario, involving Congress being consumed by a swarm of predatory insects.
Fifteen per cent of those surveyed “strongly agreed” with the statement,“Being torn limb from limb by a grizzly bear or devoured by a pack of rabid hyenas is too good for these people. They should be eaten, very slowly, by a colony of hungry fire ants. Yes, that’s it—fire ants. That would be amazing.”
Funny. It might be even better to see them crapped out a few hours later than to see them eaten.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180000 Oct 14, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
Pure lunacy, the online atheist offer.
For good, solid, rational thought, you can't beat a faith based thinker.

Were you aware that you can believe anything you like on faith, or its opposite? Better yet, you can use the bible to support just about any position or its opposite. You just can't beat that kind of thinking.

Think of all of the great ideas of enduring value that faith based thought has given to man. I'll bet that you have a few dozen favorites. Could you name some of them for us?

How about angels? Or sin? Or souls? Look at how often ideas like those have led to real and permanent advances in man's understanding and mastery of his world, and genuine improvements in the human condition.

And what have unbelief and skepticism given mankind? Just doubts, right?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#180001 Oct 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
No it doesn’t.
What made the singularity (if that’s what it was*) expand is unknown and when you guess merchants get to understand what unknown means then you will have no need to guess.
Maybe you have posted links that explain the expansion but they do not, and with today’s knowledge, cannot possibly explain the trigger for the event.
So you have bottled out of the sexism and bottled out of your “female”logic and now you harp on about arguments. I assume you have nothing substantial and so you go down the typical godbot route of attacking irrelevancies. Such action is usually taken by godbots when they have nothing else to discuss and when the opponent’s view is not a 100% reproduction of their own view
However, there are a couple of points you seem to have missed with the argument argument. First this is a public discussion thread which invites argument (note if you don’t want an argument then try a church bulletin board) and second blatant hypocrisy as in you are arguing while decrying argument.
You really are slowly loosing and semblance of intelligence you ever claimed to have.
&#61623; Could just as easily have been multi dimensional membranes crashing together, could as easily have been a collision of universes. Could just as easily have been a universe spawning. Could just as easily have been a joining of or a breaking of or knotting of strings. There are at least 27 mathematically valid theories of what caused this universe, the one thing that unites them is that they are all theories and NONE are (at least yet) proven to be factual.
But hey feel free to argue about what you do not understand to your hearts content, if that what helps you sleep at night.
You are irrational.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180002 Oct 14, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
Americans are smarter than you think they are.
Yes, Americans are respected the world over for the level of general knowledge of the man on the street, as this video attests


By the way, which do you think is the better plan and more American, the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare? Here's an interesting discussion of that topic by assorted American street philosophers
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180003 Oct 14, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
More than one time, you tried to threaten me with torture.
I would call that hate-speech, no matter how "pure" your intentions.
Since you cannot show you **are** a Genuine Messenger from God™?
I can only take you at your face value:**YOU** were intending to be the instrument of my torture.
Of course, I dismissed your threat as yet another empty promise.
But the fact remains?
YOU WERE WILLING TO SEE ME TORTURED TO SOOTHE YOUR EGO.
That's hate, bub.
Are you confusing Catcher with Carchar king? Catcher is a rational skeptic.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#180004 Oct 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are irrational.
So Dave which is worse?
Her irrational state or your delusional state ?
When you hit delirious , I gotcha.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180005 Oct 14, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
You really crack me up. I would love to just drop you off in The Russian Federation, where you could be with like minded people. You'd be like a domestic pet released in the wild. Perhaps then you would get why we don't want your agenda here. And you know you slip onto ballets, and never break 5%, 5% ark ark humor. A atheist country is a bunch of savages fighting for a meal. Go ahead, marry a pretty woman from one of your utopias, then move in. See what happens.
This argument again? This is pretty weak. Nobody here is espousing theocracy, monarchy or dictatorship. Politically, secular humanism embraces democratic values. We despise authoritarianism as is seen in Christianity, Islam, and many Communist states. The last time your church controlled a government in North America, it hung and burned witches at the stake. Is that what you want to return to?

Liberal, secular democracies and individual political rights were gifts of the secular humanist values of the Age of Enlightenment. During the Age of Faith, the Middle Ages, Christian theocracies dominated the West. Is that what you want to return to?

We despise government ruled by the secular cults of personality as much as your ideology of despair and submission. Both the totalitarian ideologies like Stalinism and Maoism and religions like Islam and Christianity are cults of personality that require worship and obeisance to a larger-than-life übermensch, human in one case, supernatural in the other. Besides worship, they all employ terrorism, thought control and information control techniques, a requirement for absolute obedience. And each feature long histories of genocide.

You have no argument against atheism there. Most atheists are humanists with strong affinities for peace, egalitarianism, and political freedom. Our forbears invented it in the late eighteenth century.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#180006 Oct 14, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>You are a lying sack of shit.
Oh, look! Princess is back. It's going to be all rainbows and butterflies from now on. What a beautiful spirit.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180007 Oct 14, 2013
Actor Kirk Cameron and his move from Atheism.

19 Sep 2013 Written by Mark Ellis | Godreports.com

At age 17 he had it all. As Mike Seaver on the hit TV show Growing Pains, he became a teen heartthrob and was making $50,000 a week. Magazines like Tiger Beat featured him regularly on their covers. He traveled the world meeting famous people.
But in his pursuit of a young woman's affections, the girl's father made it clear that amid all his youthful fame and success, there was one thing he lacked – God.
"There's still something you don't have, Kirk," the man told a surprised Cameron. "You don't have the Lord."
"I don't believe in God and that's not something I'm interested in," he informed the dad, matter-of-factly. Cameron considered himself a "staunch" atheist, too intelligent to believe in fairytales.
When the girl's family invited him to attend church with them later, he went reluctantly. "I only went because the girl was really cute and I wanted to get to know her," he admits.
Sitting in a church pew for the first time brought an unexpected reaction. "This man stood up there with a Bible, which I thought was a dusty old book designed to take the fun out of your life," he recounts.
But the message grabbed Cameron's attention. "He explained that we were designed by God to know Him and love Him and obey Him and be in right relation with Him."
"But something separates us from God and that 'something' He calls sin. Sin is the selfish streak that runs deep through the heart of every person."
The pastor explained that sin manifests itself when people lie, steal, or dishonor their parents. It can show up when you put other things in your life in a more important position than God.
When he heard this last part, Cameron felt a sinking sensation in his heart. "I realized my dirty socks were more important to me than God."
As the pastor continued, he clearly stated the ramifications of sin. "God hates sin not only because it separates us from Him, but because it's wrong. God will punish sin and those who commit sin in a place called hell."
That seems really harsh, Cameron thought to himself.
But then the pastor offered good news, a way out of this dilemma. "God is also loving and compassionate and He's provided a way to be forgiven by sending His Son Jesus to die on a cross.
"Jesus died to pay the price for our sins. If we humble ourselves and turn from our sins and trust in what Jesus did, God will grant us forgiveness and everlasting life. He did this because of His great love for us."
As Cameron sat in the back of the church, a wave of guilt swept over him. "I knew I had sinned against God," he admitted. At the same time, the first pale gleams of faith stirred his soul.
"My heart was swelling with hope that that this amazing God who sees my sinful heart would be compassionate enough to take my punishment for me and forgive me."
Questions were swirling in Cameron's mind when he took his girlfriend home. Where did we come from? he wondered to himself. Where are we going when we die? Is there really a God in heaven?
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180008 Oct 14, 2013
Part 2

"I didn't know what to say to my friend's father," he says, but he began to pepper him with questions. "I asked him about the Bible. I asked him for answers and he gave me intelligent answers."
Then one rejoinder stopped Cameron in his tracks. "Kirk, there's one question you need to ask God Himself – whether or not He's real."
How am I supposed to do that? he wondered.
Over the next few weeks, Cameron began to read the Bible for the first time. He also went back to church a few more times.
Then he found himself alone in his sports car, parked by the side of the road. An unsettling issue dogged his thoughts. If I get in a car accident and die tonight, will I go to heaven?
He realized the answer was no. He had ignored God his entire life; he put everything else in his life in a more important position than God.
"I sinned against Him, even knowing the thing I had done were wrong because I thought I could get away with it. I knew God saw it all and there was no reason He should let me into heaven."
For the first time in his life, Cameron bowed his head and prayed a brief prayer. "God, if you're there, I need to know. If you're real, would you please show me? Would you please forgive me for my pride and arrogance? Change me into the person you want me to be."
Cameron slowly opened his eyes and felt a newfound sense of hope and expectation. "It wasn't like a gust of wind blew through my window or I saw Jesus on my windshield, but I had a very real sense God heard me. I felt He was listening to me, that He is real."
Cameron felt so good he went home and told a Christian friend about his experience. He began to read the Bible regularly.
"I started learning about this amazing God," Cameron exults. "He's not a big bad cop in the sky waiting to punish people," he says. "He is a holy, just and righteous God who wants us to turn from our sins so we can be forgiven. It's an amazing story of love."
"That's the God I have fallen in love with and live for. Of all the things I've done, nothing compares with the joy of knowing Jesus Christ."
Article link: http://blog.godreports.com/2013/09/actor-kirk...

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#180009 Oct 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Oh, look! Princess is back. It's going to be all rainbows and butterflies from now on. What a beautiful spirit.
Nano flies first class on the astral plane.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180011 Oct 14, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
Remember when Peter said, "Greet one another with a kiss of love"?
I do that with my girlfriend.
Cool, huh?
My Dear Atheist friend, I do remember, however it says with a,“holy” kiss. But I do not judge or condemn you as you suppose. For Jesus came not to condemn the world but to save it.

John 3:17
King James Version (KJV)

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#180012 Oct 14, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
hehehe...well I wouldn't say you were still young, but I used to take care of people much older than you, and they would have probably called you a young whippersnapper :)
Actually, I think I am still a young whippersnapper as long as I don't look in a mirror, or try to carry something that I did a lot when I was 32.:)
Imhotep

Matthews, NC

#180013 Oct 14, 2013
Puff piece # 666 - GHS

Christianity cannot erase man's need for pleasure, nor can it eradicate the various sources of pleasure. What it can do, however, and what it has been extremely effective in accomplishing, is to inculcate guilt in connection with pleasure.

The pursuit of pleasure, when accompanied by guilt, becomes a means of perpetuating chronic guilt, and this serves to reinforce one's dependence on God.

Christianity, with some exceptions, has never explicitly advocated human misery; it prefers instead to speak of sacrifices in this life so that benefits may be garnered in the life to come. One invests in this life, so to speak, and collects interest in the next.

Fortunately for Christianity, the dead cannot return for a refund.

Through inculcating the notion that sacrifice is a virtue, Christianity has succeeded in convincing many people that misery incurred through sacrifice is a mark of virtue. Pain becomes the insignia of morality - and conversely, pleasure becomes the insignia of immorality. Christianity, therefore, does not say, "Go forth and be miserable". Rather, it says, "Go forth and practice the virtue of self-sacrifice".

In practical terms, these commands are identical.

In exchange for obedience, Christianity promises salvation in an afterlife; but in order to elicit obedience through this promise,

Christianity must convince men that they need salvation, that there is something to be saved from.

Christianity has nothing to offer a happy man living in a natural, intelligible universe.

If Christianity is to gain a motivational foothold, it must declare war on earthly pleasure and happiness, and this, historically, has been its precise course of action. In the eyes of Christianity, man is sinful and helpless in the face of God, and is potential fuel for the flames of hell. Just as Christianity must destroy reason before it can introduce faith, so it must destroy happiness before it can introduce salvation.

"A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows." ~Mark Twain

I am Imhotep® and I approve this post.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180014 Oct 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. You, nor any other godbot/christian/funnymentalis t have ever provided ANY evidence that I am off base. Oh you chant it often enough and even offer obfuscation and irrelevancies but never – EVER provide any backup for you lies. Why is this? Could it be because you are actually incapable of making a valid point, incapable of discussion of anything that contradicts you faith in the belief of bronze age escaped slaves and goat herders?
And again why are you blaming my disability for your ignorance of that disability? Such an ignorant and pathetic christian and the very reason why I am no longer christian, because of ignorant morons like you who are incapable of understanding any one not “created” as you personally believe your god should have made them
Also wrong. But hey, you are christian so understanding of what dyslexia actually is is not in your brief right and so you rely on ignorance and hearsay and so obviously self possessed lying guesswork that you are incapable of seeing the lies you vomit
And a christian telling a dyslexic that they can improve is more evidence enough that you are an ignorant fool with no comprehension of the facts of the disability
Tell me. Do you enjoy kicking cripples as a hobby?
My Dearly beloved Atheist friend, I now have a better understanding of the problem you’re dealing with due to your in-depth reply. May you go forward with peace in your heart.[tipping hat]

By the way, your cynicism towards me is like water on a ducks back. I expect nothing less from you my friend.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#180015 Oct 14, 2013
Tamsin a English Actress, was raised an Atheist. No belief in God whatsoever. Having no radical brain washing as Atheist would describe it. Found God was real in her own journey in this life at the age of 30 years old.

From wiki:

Tamsin Margaret M. Greig (/&#712;tæmz&#618;n &#712;&#609;r&#603 ;&#609;/; born 12 July 1966)[2] is an English actress principally known for her roles in two Channel 4 television comedies: Fran Katzenjammer in Black Books and Dr. Caroline Todd in Green Wing. She currently stars in two sitcoms: as Beverly Lincoln in transatlantic sitcom Episodes, and as Jackie in the Channel 4 sitcom Friday Night Dinner. Other notable roles include Alice Chenery in BBC One's comedy drama Love Soup, Debbie Aldridge in BBC Radio 4's soap opera The Archers, and Miss Bates in the 2009 BBC version of Jane Austen's Emma. Greig is also an acclaimed stage actress; she won a Laurence Olivier Award for Best Actress in 2007 for Much Ado About Nothing, and was nominated again in 2011 for her role in The Little Dog Laughed.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#180016 Oct 14, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
...it says with a,“holy” kiss.....
Which hole ?

“The King of R&R”

Since: Dec 07

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#180017 Oct 14, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are irrational.
And you are Insane.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#180018 Oct 14, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> So Dave which is worse?
Her irrational state or your delusional state ?
When you hit delirious , I gotcha.
Her irrational state, without a doubt. She gets all bitchy.

Hey, Yoda, Jr,, cool avatar you got there. Keep at it, you are almost out to his galaxy. Maybe you two can have lunch and he could teach you how to use that light saber.

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