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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180140 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
consider that ALL babies are atheists.
However, there is no getting around the simple truth of it: all babies are atheists. How could it be otherwise?
In fact, all children are atheists until they reach an age where they can truly understand religious doctrine, which will mean well into their teens.
Children can mimic their parents in prayer, for example, by closing their eyes and clasping their hands together, and repeating some words that they donít understand. Of course even toddler-praying canít happen until a child reaches the age of speech.
Beyond praying though, there is so much more to consider when parents proclaim that their little ones are Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Muslim and so on.
To say that someone is "Christian" is to say that the someone understands:
(1) the story of the life of Jesus as told in the Bible;
(2) the concepts of heaven and hell;
(3) the concept of "faith" in an invisible entity;
(4) sin;
(5) forgiveness;
(6) the Triune God and
(7) communion.
With all this complicated theology in mind, picture a 5-month-old infant contentedly filling her diaper, and try to convince anyone that she understands all of the above.
If she does not, she is not a Christian. I donít care how much water you sprinkle on her head, or how many magical words you recite over her as she howls in a church, she doesnít have the foggiest idea about any of it.
Which means she cannot be a Christian.
The identical analogy applies to all religions.
"Out of all of the sects in the world, we notice an uncanny coincidence: the overwhelming majority just happen to choose the one that their parents belong to. Not the sect that has the best evidence in its favour, the best miracles, the best moral code, the best cathedral, the best stained glass, the best music: when it comes to choosing from the smorgasbord of available religions, their potential virtues seem to count for nothing, compared to the matter of heredity. This is an unmistakable fact; nobody could seriously deny it. Yet people with full knowledge of the arbitrary nature of this heredity, somehow manage to go on believing in their religion, often with such fanaticism that they are prepared to murder people who follow a different one."
~Richard Dawkins
So you are saying in order to be an Atheist you need no maturity, no intelligence, no intellect, no reasoning skills, no comprehension, no aptitude, no education, no learning, no reading and writing skills, no understanding, no capacity to understand.

This analogy cracks me up. That means a pile of horse sh*t is an Atheist because it meets the same criteria. You donít have to have sh*t for brains to be an Atheist. A freaking tree stump qualifies to be an Atheist.

That analogy always cracks me up.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180141 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Godwin's law Evoked!
shame on you Eagle ;)
youths.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin 's_law
Godwinís law
Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1989 which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
In other words, Godwin put forth the sarcastic observation that, given enough time, all discussionsóregardless of topic or scopeóinevitably end up being about Hitler and the Nazis.
Godwin's law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the widespread reductio ad Hitlerem form.
The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses.
It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact.
Although in one of its early forms Godwin's law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions, the law is now often applied to any threaded online discussion, such as chat rooms and blog comment threads, and has been invoked for the inappropriate use of Nazi analogies in articles or speeches.
This Godwin's law is not apart of my National, State or local law. That means in short itís not applicable.

Imaginary laws donít count in the real world. N/A

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#180142 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you donít like being humiliated?
Then just say so.
shhhh, kitten, shhhh....you've already admitted you've lost.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#180143 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
My proof for myself is based on my experience over several years. What matters to me is that I believe and have experienced God for myself. If you want to know for yourself then get busy and start experiencing God for yourself.
In other words, you have no proof.

yeah, we know, you've admitted it several times now.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180144 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Easy!
I see zero evidence of ANY Gods.
I am an equal opportunity Secular humanist.
However I am open to suggestions - IF ANY organized religion can answer these two simple questions...
A) Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot do.
B) Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs.
Until this time, and it will be an eternity - you are only one of many religious cult members - each claiming more or less the same immortality or enlightenment as others.
On a lighter note and my twisted sense of humor
Satan fears me! ;)
He shudders, soils his suit, rams his horns into a Christian sinner and laments...
"Imhotep's awake! Grrr...
That irreligious bastard!
I just do not understand it!
Every evil I heap upon him slides off like pimples on an Italian!
Goddamnit, he pisses me off.
Allah forgiving my temper.
Constantly mocking my existence with common sense and those damned FACTS.
I begged, in fact pleaded with my alter ego - Jesus, for a lightning bolt or something...
Jesus can't even light Imhotep's joint!
How dare this venomous human taunt me!
http://m.youtube.com/watch...
Sacrilege! Liar! I won.
< Everything is so green>
Now I'm hungry and everything here is burnt to 'hell in a hand basket':(
What in the Hell is a evil demon to do... in the face of reality?
One day... I'll promise...
I'll kick his ass... provided he believes that I exist."
"Easy!"
"I see zero evidence of ANY Gods."

That would mean you're blind and an Atheist. I only believe in one God by the way.
Imhotep

United States

#180145 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
A fool will laugh readily at what generally is not considered funny.
An old saying runs,

"Everyone loves a clown but no one wants to be his best friend."

Laughter helps people to relax and bond more closely together in shared experiences, but it is wise to determine if someone is no longer laughing or is not familiar with sarcasm.
Imhotep

United States

#180146 Oct 15, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Dank u, en hetzelfde voor u en uw gezin.
Hola buen doctor me estoy divirtiendo a costa de los demŠs, como de costumbre!

They are working me to death I drive 200 miles every day. The scenery here is pure eye candy.

The blue ridge parkway was 400 miles of beauty mountains up to 6053 feet.

YES, The tech arrived late to work!
I blamed it on the US government shutdown!

Lol!

I don't know how you feel doc, but it worries me more than that the US government might start back up again! ;)

it hasn't worked properly for at least 45 years - it's time for to shutdown!
Imhotep

United States

#180147 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying in order to be an Atheist you need no maturity, no intelligence, no intellect, no reasoning skills, no comprehension, no aptitude, no education, no learning, no reading and writing skills, no understanding, no capacity to understand.
This analogy cracks me up. That means a pile of horse sh*t is an Atheist because it meets the same criteria. You donít have to have sh*t for brains to be an Atheist. A freaking tree stump qualifies to be an Atheist.
That analogy always cracks me up.
Actually, I find True Christiansô Unintentionally hilarious. No offense ;)

You think you disagree but you are mistaken.

You're simply experiencing an illusion caused by the limits of your comprehension.

If you were able to fully comprehend both the conundrum and educated solution, you would agree.

So what appears to be a difference of opinion is just you wrestling with your own defective brain.

Example of defective brain...

"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
~ George Herbert Walker Bush
Imhotep

United States

#180148 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
This Godwin's law is not apart of my National, State or local law. That means in short itís not applicable.
Imaginary laws donít count in the real world. N/A
The Catholics most well known person is Hitler!
Don't believe it to you?

< fires pipe>
History for beginners lesson one

Puff Piece # Seig Heil

Nationalsozialistischen Geschichte Klasse Nummer 101

Uncle Adolph was a Catholic, Eagle

In WWII German belt buckles carried the following: Gott mit uns'.

If that pathetic brain of yours ever visited a library you would know this. Here are pretty pictures, because " a picture is worth 1000 words"!

The German words, "Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and appeared on many Nazi soldiers belt buckles during WWII. To see the buckle...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns

Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda.

Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika.

As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement.(The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.)

Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him.

Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Once again... A picture is worth 1000 words!

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm

Sniff sniff - kind of brings a tear to Christian Eyes!
LOL
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180149 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I find True Christiansô Unintentionally hilarious. No offense ;)
You think you disagree but you are mistaken.
You're simply experiencing an illusion caused by the limits of your comprehension.
If you were able to fully comprehend both the conundrum and educated solution, you would agree.
So what appears to be a difference of opinion is just you wrestling with your own defective brain.
Example of defective brain...
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
~ George Herbert Walker Bush
Nice two step cowboy but your dancing around the issue here.

You said that babies are born Atheist.

Which indicates no knowledge to be an Atheist.

That would make a pile of horse sh*t an Atheist.

Would you like to reconsider your earlier statement or should it remain.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180150 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
An old saying runs,
"Everyone loves a clown but no one wants to be his best friend."
Laughter helps people to relax and bond more closely together in shared experiences, but it is wise to determine if someone is no longer laughing or is not familiar with sarcasm.
Except the cowboy that's depending on him.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180151 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholics most well known person is Hitler!
Don't believe it to you?
< fires pipe>
History for beginners lesson one
Puff Piece # Seig Heil
Nationalsozialistischen Geschichte Klasse Nummer 101
Uncle Adolph was a Catholic, Eagle
In WWII German belt buckles carried the following: Gott mit uns'.
If that pathetic brain of yours ever visited a library you would know this. Here are pretty pictures, because " a picture is worth 1000 words"!
The German words, "Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and appeared on many Nazi soldiers belt buckles during WWII. To see the buckle...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns
Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda.
Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika.
As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement.(The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.)
Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him.
Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Once again... A picture is worth 1000 words!
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
Sniff sniff - kind of brings a tear to Christian Eyes!
LOL
If Hitler was a real Christian then Doc Adams on Gunsmoke was a real Doctor.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180152 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>You said you don’t believe in God.

But you also said you are not an Atheist.

Just to enlighten you, Atheist don’t believe in God.

(¬ďAn afterlife or spiritual existence after death is not recognized.¬Ē)

Understood, that you have not crossed over from life to death. That means you are alive and with us today.

(No concept of ¬ďevil.¬Ē)

Also understood, no one has stuck a shotgun in your face and asked for your hard earned money. If they ever do, just tell them you believe in the scientific method and through study of sociology, psychology, criminology you will define what is evil.

But somehow I don’t think you will be able to get all that out before you experience the afterlife and spiritual existence.
Lol...I have however and I can tell you right now...he was not interested in my personal belief system you goofball. I think it's pretty obvious that when someone sticks a gun in your face, they are not attempting to make friends and the gun in your face pretty much means they probably aren't a great person.(evil) if that's what you want to call it. I don't need a book or a god to tell me that....why do you?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180153 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>Would that apply to Hitler?
Lol...ummmm yeah. I'm not one who gives a crap that Hitler had any religion whatsoever...plain and simple, he was a crazy mamojamma...I think that's pretty obvious.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180154 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
The Catholics most well known person is Hitler!
Don't believe it to you?
< fires pipe>
History for beginners lesson one
Puff Piece # Seig Heil
Nationalsozialistischen Geschichte Klasse Nummer 101
Uncle Adolph was a Catholic, Eagle
In WWII German belt buckles carried the following: Gott mit uns'.
If that pathetic brain of yours ever visited a library you would know this. Here are pretty pictures, because " a picture is worth 1000 words"!
The German words, "Gott Mit Uns" means God With Us and appeared on many Nazi soldiers belt buckles during WWII. To see the buckle...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_mit_uns
Many American books, television documentaries, and Sunday sermons that preach of Hitler's "evil" have eliminated Hitler's god for their Christian audiences, but one only has to read from his own writings to appreciate that Hitler's God equals the same God of the Christian Bible. Hitler held many hysterical beliefs which not only include, God and Providence but also Fate, Social Darwinism, and ideological politics. He spoke, unashamedly, about God, fanaticism, idealism, dogma, and the power of propaganda.
Hitler held strong faith in all his convictions. He justified his fight for the German people and against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. Indeed, one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear:
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika.
As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement.(The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.)
Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him.
Nor did the Vatican's Pope & bishops ever disown him; in fact they blessed him! As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
Once again... A picture is worth 1000 words!
http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm
http://www.nobeliefs.com/mementoes.htm
Sniff sniff - kind of brings a tear to Christian Eyes!
LOL
If Hitler was a real Christian then Dr. Derek Shepherd (Patrick Dempsey) is a real Surgeon on Greyís Anatomy. You Atheist are just like naÔve kids. You will believe anything.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#180155 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>If Hitler was a real Christian then Dr. Derek Shepherd (Patrick Dempsey) is a real Surgeon on Grey¬ís Anatomy. You Atheist are just like na√Įve kids. You will believe anything.
It is fact darlin...seriously you need to read a history book, or even an encyclopedia. Why would you try to argue this fact? What is the point?
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180156 Oct 15, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol...I have however and I can tell you right now...he was not interested in my personal belief system you goofball. I think it's pretty obvious that when someone sticks a gun in your face, they are not attempting to make friends and the gun in your face pretty much means they probably aren't a great person.(evil) if that's what you want to call it. I don't need a book or a god to tell me that....why do you?
#180128

Why Evil?
No concept of ďevil.Ē Reasons for wrongdoing are explored through scientific methods, e.g. through study of sociology, psychology, criminology.
----------
Those comments above came from your home boy, Imhotep.

So if someone sticks a gun to his head,(Imhotep). He needs to explore through the scientific methods and through the study of sociology, psychology and criminology if it is an evil act.

Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180157 Oct 15, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
An old saying runs,
"Everyone loves a clown but no one wants to be his best friend."
Laughter helps people to relax and bond more closely together in shared experiences, but it is wise to determine if someone is no longer laughing or is not familiar with sarcasm.
"Laughter helps people to relax"

So do farts.
Eagle 12

Edwardsville, IL

#180158 Oct 15, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
It is fact darlin...seriously you need to read a history book, or even an encyclopedia. Why would you try to argue this fact? What is the point?
Did you see the movie ďCatch me if you can.Ē

It was based on a true story of a kid who got a job as a lawyer, emergency room Doctor, and paraded through airports as a Airline pilot.

In all those roles he duped people including professional people. But the fact remains because some pretends to be something doesnít necessarily make it so.

If someone pretends to be a Christian and murders 6 million people doesnít make him a Christian.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#180159 Oct 15, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice two step cowboy but your dancing around the issue here.
You said that babies are born Atheist.
Which indicates no knowledge to be an Atheist.
That would make a pile of horse sh*t an Atheist.
Would you like to reconsider your earlier statement or should it remain.
Are you comparing babies to horseshit?

Is that some sort of Christian thing?

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