Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179822 Oct 12, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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If the name is offensive to native Americans, and I owned the team, I would change it.
I'd hold a naming contest, season tickets to the winner.
We should try to get along with one another.
I think out of respect to the American Indians the owner should meet with the groups that have a concern. Itís a public relations issue that should be carefully dealt with.

Perhaps charitable contributions from the NFL Team to American Indian charities would be in order. The wrong action to take is to dig in and say youíre not going to change the name. That action comes across as being insensitive and uncaring.

The idea would be to embrace the American Indian community and not disregard it. Changing a Teams name is going to have cost associated with it. If a name change is ever decided it could happen 3 or 4 years into the future so money could be budgeted over several years for the expense.
Really

Daniels, WV

#179823 Oct 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Mother Earth was born and maintained by larger forces and transfers of energy. Yes, as physical beings we are formed from what formed her. Our intelligence as physical consciousnesses was passed on to us from her, and to her from other places. It is the awareness of this larger scheme that created religions, including modern cosmology, seeking the ultimate source.
There is nothing wrong with that, as it is natural. But we are all blinded by the light we were born into and made from. The answers will come from within and when the lights go out.
Well said. I just find it amusing that every religion thinks that is it and everyone else is crazy. There is a larger scheme in what is our existence. I'm aware of that. Everyone thinks that no religion means that u have no soul purpose in life yet I am at most peace with life more than the people that suppositvly have religion.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179824 Oct 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You are so unconvincing, you could not convince a squirrel to pick up a fresh pecan-- already shelled.
That's why there is no worm meat going for high office. You sort run and get less than a percent of the vote, we don't want you, nor need you. It'll be a sad day a sub-human gets respect in the American political world. Thank God that day is not coming.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179825 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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That's why there is no worm meat going for high office. You sort run and get less than a percent of the vote, we don't want you, nor need you. It'll be a sad day a sub-human gets respect in the American political world. Thank God that day is not coming.
I know you don't really care, but I really don't appreciate the sub-human name calling.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179826 Oct 12, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Thats like saying "Eat shit, 20 trillion flies can't be wrong."
You're very good at making unsupported claims, some would actually call them lies. Now lets see if you are a bold faced liar or not. PRODUCE the documentation or any other pertinent evidence that more Atheists are Atheists because of government policing than by choice. I challenge you to prove to all of us that you are not a liar. I do believe you are a cowardly liar with absolutely no proof for your ridiculous claim.
Atheism IS coming to America, it has been here for some time now and is growing among young people.
The rise of atheism in America The number of disbelievers is growing, but they remain America's least trusted minority. Why? By The Week Staff | April 13, 2012
The National Atheist Organization's "Reason Rally" in March: 19 percent of the American public spurns organized religion in favor of skepticism about faith. Allison Shelley/Getty Images H
ow many atheists are there?
It depends on your definition of the term. Only between 1.5 and 4 percent of Americans admit to so-called "hard atheism," the conviction that no higher power exists. But a much larger share of the American public (19 percent) spurns organized religion in favor of a nondefined skepticism about faith. This group, sometimes collectively labeled the "Nones," is growing faster than any religious faith in the U.S. About two thirds of Nones say they are former believers; 24 percent are lapsed Catholics and 29 percent once identified with other Christian denominations. David Silverman, president of American Atheists, claims these Nones as members of his tribe. "If you don't have a belief in God, you're an atheist," he said. "It doesn't matter what you call yourself."
OPPS, here we come, are you ready????????
I didn't read after your claim that Chinese do not force people to be atheist. One tall glass of shut the **** up coming up.

http://wisdomquarterly.blogspot.com/2008/08/c...

http://www.chinamedia.com/news/2011/11/09/bei...

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rt_china.ht...

Now say something stupid to further show you lack of reading comprehension and your inability to admit you are wrong. Honestly, that was the most stuuuuuppppppiiiddd statement I have read, and I have read little red bobbing hood's post here.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179827 Oct 12, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I have said this before, and I will say it again.... religion does not build a persons moral code, nor did morality come from religion.
Not a person's but it does form what is socially acceptable. You don't believe those that tell you religion did save them. I can't help you with that detail.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#179828 Oct 12, 2013
Really wrote:
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Well said. I just find it amusing that every religion thinks that is it and everyone else is crazy. There is a larger scheme in what is our existence. I'm aware of that. Everyone thinks that no religion means that u have no soul purpose in life yet I am at most peace with life more than the people that suppositvly have religion.
There is a difference between being spiritual and being religious. Religion is following the herd. So is being a Topix atheist and denial of the spiritual nature of man because they read it in a book. Both are blinded by the light and their pride.

I would think the creative force is big enough to accept many different beliefs of what it was, as long as it is acknowledged to exist.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179829 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Not a person's but it does form what is socially acceptable. You don't believe those that tell you religion did save them. I can't help you with that detail.
I completely believe that a person can believe that religion has "saved" them. I do not agree, but it's their belief, not mine, and as long as they do not try to force me to believe it, or try to make laws that manipulate the way I choose to live then I don't care one bit.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179830 Oct 12, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Again... you are not showing your "tolerance" for other thought processes any more than you claim that others don't. If two people are in the running for anything and they do not specifically tell you their beliefs or the lack there of in the very beginning then you should base your "vote" on who would be best for the position. A "vote" for anything should not be based on personal beliefs of the afterlife, nor on their beliefs of creation. Your mind does not seem to be looking for a free society.
I believe I have previously explained the reasons I won't vote for an Atheist. I believe their anti-religious mannerism will lead to thought police. Starting with banding religions will progress for the worse. USSR, China and North Korea are no accident. I don't see why I should wish to take part in a Western civilization experiment. Giving what I read here, you long for the day you could open your retraining camps. I am sure you'll have a more colorful name for it. I'll die before I meet you in room 101.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179831 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Not a person's but it does form what is socially acceptable. You don't believe those that tell you religion did save them. I can't help you with that detail.
I can agree that it is something that is socially acceptable, but moral standards for societies have been in place much longer than religion has been around. We would have become extinct had it not been.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179832 Oct 12, 2013
Really wrote:
I don't c in this day and time how anyone can reasonablly believe in the rambling of the bible much less any other religion. People laugh at Muslims and a 100 virgins theory. Is a virgin having a baby more believable than that. Or a man named mosses made a boat big enough to hold to of all the creatures on the planet. We do not have a boat in existence today that could hold and supply enough food for that many animals plants and organisms. What a joke. All religion is to absurd to believe.
The only true belief is that of the native Americans. They believe in what is around us and to respect it. That being our mother earth and all its inhabitants. We came from nothing and we go to nothing. We as a people r not the soul beings of this planet we are merely part of it. It's all part of a flow of energy in life and death. There is a positive and a negative. It's a force unseen and unknown. All we need to do is take care of self family, community, nation, and most importantly our mother earth for it is not a part of us but we are all of it. We come from the earth and are returned to the earth and I believe the flow of life and energy will bring me home again.
I agree, but this is too complicated for the worm meat to understand. They are fixed to it just being them and Christians.
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#179833 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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That will be the day, you with your 3rd grade minus reading comprehension could insult me with comments of being stupid. There is a chance you do have a soul but just don't understand it. That of course would be better than being a soulless fool. 2/3 human
im stil waiting for that scientific experiment you promised to prove souls!

or were you only BSing as always?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179834 Oct 12, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I completely believe that a person can believe that religion has "saved" them. I do not agree, but it's their belief, not mine, and as long as they do not try to force me to believe it, or try to make laws that manipulate the way I choose to live then I don't care one bit.
The cornerstone of my belief system is you become your beliefs, or your beliefs become you. Your faith determines your fate. Ugly thought for an atheist isn't it. I do think spreading atheism is asinine. A person with no soul is a sub human. I do view you and your fellow recruiters as members of a very evil cult. Because like anything else anything has, when they stop using it the lose it. And you should know that is part of evolution. Your lack of yearning is sub human, your recruiting is evil.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179835 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I believe I have previously explained the reasons I won't vote for an Atheist. I believe their anti-religious mannerism will lead to thought police. Starting with banding religions will progress for the worse. USSR, China and North Korea are no accident. I don't see why I should wish to take part in a Western civilization experiment. Giving what I read here, you long for the day you could open your retraining camps. I am sure you'll have a more colorful name for it. I'll die before I meet you in room 101.
I disagree. Most Atheists have many different opinions on many different political subjects. Some agree with abortion, some do not. Some agree with gay marriage, some do not. Not believing in a deity does not change a persons personal opinions. Everyone is different. You will even find Christians who will support gay marriage as you know... this does not follow their book, but they choose to have their own opinion. China and North Korea are not given the right to have their own opinion, especially North Korea... However we are lucky to be able to have that here. I don't feel that a person that does not have a belief in a deity would be any different in any way. A person in a leading position will always fight for what they believe is best, even up to a greed for personal gain, and most every politician is guilty of this no matter what their personal belief system is.
christINSANITY is EVIL

Windsor, Canada

#179836 Oct 12, 2013
Really wrote:
I don't c in this day and time how anyone can reasonablly believe in the rambling of the bible much less any other religion. People laugh at Muslims and a 100 virgins theory. Is a virgin having a baby more believable than that. Or a man named mosses made a boat big enough to hold to of all the creatures on the planet. We do not have a boat in existence today that could hold and supply enough food for that many animals plants and organisms. What a joke. All religion is to absurd to believe.
The only true belief is that of the native Americans. They believe in what is around us and to respect it. That being our mother earth and all its inhabitants. We came from nothing and we go to nothing. We as a people r not the soul beings of this planet we are merely part of it. It's all part of a flow of energy in life and death. There is a positive and a negative. It's a force unseen and unknown. All we need to do is take care of self family, community, nation, and most importantly our mother earth for it is not a part of us but we are all of it. We come from the earth and are returned to the earth and I believe the flow of life and energy will bring me home again.
well said!
problem with religious is,they suffer from cognitive underdevelopment and are unable to discern fantasy from Reality,,
IOW cant fix stupid..

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179837 Oct 12, 2013
christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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im stil waiting for that scientific experiment you promised to prove souls!
or were you only BSing as always?
Can't prove it to you, you are only 2/3 human
Imhotep

United States

#179838 Oct 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I thought you were 32 years old.
I should be so lucky! ;)

I can never complain about growing old, far too many people have been denied that privilege.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179839 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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The cornerstone of my belief system is you become your beliefs, or your beliefs become you. Your faith determines your fate. Ugly thought for an atheist isn't it. I do think spreading atheism is asinine. A person with no soul is a sub human. I do view you and your fellow recruiters as members of a very evil cult. Because like anything else anything has, when they stop using it the lose it. And you should know that is part of evolution. Your lack of yearning is sub human, your recruiting is evil.
That may be your cornerstone, but it is not my belief at all. I was a christian for many years and it did not define who I am as a person, nor does my non-belief now. I have faith in many things, but I do not have faith in things that I do not believe in as that would obviously be asinine. You believe in souls and I do not have any evidence of "souls" existing. I believe in the chemical makeup of a human, and DNA, and all of the things that make up a person physically. That make-up makes me a human, whether you like to think so or not. It is no matter to me how you view Atheism in itself, but if you are going to judge people then you should judge them by their actions as a person, not on a label that society has created. If a soul makes a persons existence then it would seem to me impossible for a person with no soul to live physically. Again...I don't know the complexities of your beliefs, nor do I care to dive into them. All I know is that it is greatly unappreciated to see you call out people for acting a certain way, but then proceed to act the same way yourself. Also as I said, for you to call me sub-human may be your opinion and you may not care how I feel, but it is still unappreciated and uncalled for in my opinion. You may think it's asinine for people to spread their opinions or to even share facts that do not coincide with your beliefs, but that too is just showing no "tolerance" for other people's being.
blacklagoon

Revere, MA

#179840 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I don't come out and say it often, but I think atheism is a personal short coming. Mental illness is their perception. I take it as a compliment when they say it. You have to realize this is a sort so negative, they accuse a majority of people throughout history of lying, and many of those people are great people. Jesus Christ while it could be fairly debated if he is or is not God, was an extraordinary person, worthy of praise. I do believe he was of God, but I believe we all are. When someone that puts down Jesus, puts you down too, that is flattering.
There most likely was no such person as Jesus Christ, at least the person you think he was. There are NO contemporary accounts of Jesus outside of the bible, that is factual. There were some that shared this name that roamed the countryside preaching, but the Jesus depicted in the bible is a myth. Sorry for your loss!!!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#179841 Oct 12, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>There most likely was no such person as Jesus Christ, at least the person you think he was. There are NO contemporary accounts of Jesus outside of the bible, that is factual. There were some that shared this name that roamed the countryside preaching, but the Jesus depicted in the bible is a myth. Sorry for your loss!!!
I like to think that if Jesus actually did exist that he was a hippie type :) I'm sure if he did exist that is probably what he was... more along the lines of someone like Gandhi.

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