Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179750 Oct 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
All of these ignorant religious interpretations are invalid until you can prove them.
You have had thousands of years and your cult has failed. Give up your mental illness and learn how to be honest.
Proven only to ourselves. We don't have to prove anything to you my good maligned atheist friend.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179751 Oct 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The mental illness of faith is no excuse for lack of evidence.
Prove the god your cult sent you here to promote with evidence and you qualify for rational debate.
Faith and Atheism is not a mental illness. It is choice made by free people.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179752 Oct 12, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Why do you lie so blatantly?
Is that how you were educated?
Is that what you god tells you to do?
Is it because you are embarrassed that you have nothing else?
Or maybe even that you are so stupid that you donít even realise how stupid you are? There is a name for that, nope not godbot but the Dunning Kruger effect.
I have NEVER said that I would reply to your every post.
I did say that just because you are a ignorant and ignore your obnoxious abuse of the dead does not mean I wonít go away until you can grow a set of balls and apologise for mocking and lying about the dead. The dead who gave their lives so that ignorant baffons like you can mock and lie about them.
Jeez, for even for a godbot you are such a pathetic wimp.
And of course more guesswork, FYI, my funeral will involve cremation, but perhaps you are will be one who will be worm meat, buried six foot under waiting for an imaginary miracle while you rot in peace.
OK in regards to the dead. Hey you will meet your own beliefs. You do know yourself. Yours and your mind is yours. You are 2/3s human. Enjoy this ONE, it's all you have. Perhaps like a male lion that never joins a pride. The lone wolf. If I was you I'd enjoy the sex and party, as I do as me.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#179753 Oct 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are inconsistent in your descriptions.
Now, this is on the right path.
"The heat doesn't exist in the bonds: it is the motion."
Which is what I have been saying. The motion of space being displaced.
No, it is NOT the vibration of space. It is the motion of the atoms *through* space in a cyclic fashion. There is a difference.
Your little quantum thingies. Those bonds vibrate space, sort of like guitar strings vibrate air. Those vibrations are your heat.
Simply wrong.
1. Space is not what is vibrating. Instead, the atoms are moving through space.
2. This vibration of individual molecules is NOT the main component of heat. The kinetic energy through space is.
As I have pointed out before, modern math physics has taken the whole, broken it down to tiny parts, andthen went south worshipping those tiny parts as the gods of the universe. They hit a brick wall and started working backwards.
No, we found the tiny parts and then understand the larger wholes in terms of those tiny parts. No brick wall.
Your own BBT says those atoms, and constituent parts thereof were formed after the expansion.
The expansion is still going on. So the atoms were formed *during* the expansion.
That whirlpool analogy I have used before. The compression of the universe causes a hard focusing of energy creating those nuclei. That is why they can be stripped down by other outside forces within the apparent closed system of the universe. That is also why those strong localized forces can be moved around by larger and much weaker forces.
Do you attempt to be coherent?
The universe was created from without, not within. That singularity was not something that popped out of nothing, it was a something energized to start a process. We do it all of the time in our technology.
Why do you think the singularity is anything like what happens when we start processes *within* the universe?
Thingies are results of processes, not the origination or first cause.
Causality has issues at this level.
Heat is your quantum carrier. It isn't the apparent particle generating those vibrations, but the vibration of space between them.
Again, simply wrong. Heat is a large scale description based in statistical mechanics. It isn't a 'quantum carrier', whatever *that* is supposed to mean.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179754 Oct 12, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
;)
Two cannibals walking through the jungle meet on a path...
I need some help cooking, or advice.
What's the problem?
The last missionary was tough!
How did you cook it?
Oh you know, the usual get the water to boil, throw in a couple bay leaves. some vegetables...
What was the missionary wearing?
A kind of brown frock with white lace, Very little hair.
Ha ha !
I know what your problem is.
You're cooking it wrong!
Wait for it... ;)
Never boil a friar!
Two Atheist walking through a field together.

One fell into a deep hole and asked the other for help. The other replied,ďhelp,Ē I donít need no help, I didnít fall into a hole.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179755 Oct 12, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith and Atheism is not a mental illness. It is choice made by free people.
I don't come out and say it often, but I think atheism is a personal short coming. Mental illness is their perception. I take it as a compliment when they say it. You have to realize this is a sort so negative, they accuse a majority of people throughout history of lying, and many of those people are great people. Jesus Christ while it could be fairly debated if he is or is not God, was an extraordinary person, worthy of praise. I do believe he was of God, but I believe we all are. When someone that puts down Jesus, puts you down too, that is flattering.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179756 Oct 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
ie: lie about god because you have no proof.
How many real friends do you have? Iím not trying to be mean here. I just want you to realize that you are preventing yourself from having peace. You are slowly killing yourself with this inward turmoil in your life.

You have this one life according to what you believe. Look how youíre spending it. Youíre miserable and unhappy. Iím sorry you are not a better person because of Atheism. Some Atheist may be a peace with themselves but you are far from that.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179757 Oct 12, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Bob we're dealing with eternity here, why are you so impatient over a couple thousand years?
Your god is an epic failure.

For trying to use YOU to convince people to follow it.

Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179758 Oct 12, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> well perhaps you could get a leg over one day? The famous Bobloblah would approve
You **are** Bobloblah, moron.

Nobody is fooled.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179759 Oct 12, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Even if it is pretend, I'd rather see that than the predator all the time. But there are plenty of people who are a total facade, to what is really underneath. Take politicians as a prime example, smile and tell you while patting you on the back, just how they are looking out for you. But the other hand is in the vaseline getting a wad to grease you up for the rest of the story. lol
You get ...... actual lube?

Here in Oklahomer, the Reddest of the Red States?

They pack it in dry...

.... with sand-included.

Politicians hereabouts are one of the worst examples of human depravity you can imagine.

Oklahomer national politicians could teach Caligula a thing or two about how to abuse people and make them **like** it for afters...

I am disgusted at the people Oklahomer sends to Washington....

.. in contrast? The people of Topix are minor nuisances.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179760 Oct 12, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
In a word... nothing!
Gods are imaginary.
You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
1. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The finance committee refuses to provide funds for the purchase of a chandelier because none of the members knows how to play one.
2. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
People ask, when they learn that Jesus fed the 5000, whether the two fish were bass or catfish, and what bait was used to catch 'em.
3. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
When the pastor says, "I'd like to ask Bubba to help take up the offering" and five guys and two women stand up.
4. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
Opening day of deer season is recognized as an official church holiday.
5. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if...
A member of the church requests to be buried in his 4-wheel-drive truck because "It ain't never been in a hole it couldn't get out of" (Love it!)
6. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The choir is known as the "OK Chorale".
7. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
In a congregation of 500 members, there are only seven last names in the church directory.
8. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
People think "rapture" is what you get when you lift something too heavy.
9. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The baptismal pool is a #2 galvanized " Wheeling " washtub.
10. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ....
The choir robes were donated by (and embroidered with the logo from) Billy Bob's Barbecue.
11. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The collection plates are really hubcaps from a '56 Chevy.
12. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ..
Instead of a bell you are called to service by a duck call.
13. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The minister and his wife drive matching pickup trucks.
14. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The communion wine is Boone's Farm "Tickled Pink".
15. You Know You're in a Redneck Church if...
"Thou shall not covet" applies to huntin' dogs, too.
16. You know You're in a Redneck Church if ...
The final words of the benediction are, "Y'all come back now, Ya hear".
;)
How can you tell which one is the bride in a Redneck wedding?

1) the bride has ribbons in her arm hair
1a) the bride has shaved especially for her wedding day

2) the bride is the one who has her beer can decorated with sequins and dandelions.

3) the bride's gun has a hot-pink stock
3a) bride's shoulder-holster matches her wedding dress
3b) the bride's party all wear matching, and accessorized gun holsters
3c) the groom is wearing his **good** guns
3d) the groom is the one wearing boots-- needs a place to tuck the 4th knife

4) when they leave for the honeymoon, the bride's jacked-up 4 wheeler is the hot pink one
4a) when the leave for the honeymoon, the bride's windshield on *her* truck, isn't sporting a huge crack

6) the hound dogs on the **bridal** side are all sporting collars that match the bridesmaids dresses.

And the **easiest** way to tell which is the bride at a redneck wedding?

the shotgun always points at the **groom**.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179761 Oct 12, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It has.
Things up here in the Land Of The Stupid (rethugs), it looks like those idiots are finally realizing they simply don't have unlimited power...
.. and are capitulating.
It's funny: the ReThugs' are polling at LOWER than even when they tried to impeach Clinton.
If you can fathom that-- pretty much everyone blames them for the shutdown.
I so wish this was an election year-- they would all be out on their lazy parasitic backsides...
Sir Robert and Doc,
Vote? WHY?
We have the very best politicians money can buy -and it does. ;) They don't work for the people - they work for their careers and their owners.
The USA is a Oligarchy.
Why Europe laughs at the USA...
Failed Republican(tea party) concepts advertised globally during the 2012 election run up...
1. The inerrant bible trumps the constitution
2. Evolution and Global warming are a hoax
3. College students and those seeking education are snobs
4. Gay Americans are an abomination
5. Poor people deserve to be poor
6. Union workers are socialists
7. The unemployed are lazy parasites unwilling to work
8. 50% of Latinos are illegal until proven otherwise
9. Women using birth control are sluts
10. Corporations are people
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
-Douglas Adams
Yet, I persist in continuing to vote.

Recognizing the system is rigged, and the whole is flawed.

Why?

So I can justifiably complain, with a clear conscious.

Anyone who doesn't vote? Cannot complain if the system doesn't work--- they did nothing either way.

That's the way I see it, at least.

Others have a different opinion, George Carlin being one of them.

Yes, I greatly admire Carlin, except for this one area, where I disagree with him.

But he tried to help in his way, I do the best I can in mine.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179762 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Yesterday's magic is todays science. Until you have all the answers there will be magic. Bob I all ready know your comprehension skills will fail to understand that statement.
You cannot refute my valid criticism of your rant?

So you stoop to belittling and name-calling instead?

How very Jesus of you-- yes-yes, I know you don't believe in Jesus.

So what?

You **act** the **exact** same as his followers!

You may as well join that hate-cult yourself.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179763 Oct 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
As previously stated, if you are interested, there are books written by Buddhist and New Age Authors. I don't think you have what it takes to read them. Just as I find some stuff you read to be boring, or not exact.
New Age is just another name for batshit.

Sorry, but that is the facts, jack.

You still have nothing to prove this "soul" thingy.

You lose-- again.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179764 Oct 12, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Proven only to ourselves. We don't have to prove anything to you my good maligned atheist friend.
The first words out of someone who is entirely insane?

Is that they are **certain** of their delusions.

Nice.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179765 Oct 12, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith and Atheism is not a mental illness. It is choice made by free people.
Lie.

I can no more make myself BELIEVE in YOUR delusions than YOU could fly by flapping your arms real fast.

If you have a magic formula that could instill this FAITH you go on about?

Something short of hitting myself in the head to cause severe brain damage?

Then you MIGHT have a valid point.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179766 Oct 12, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
How many real friends do you have? Iím not trying to be mean here. I just want you to realize that you are preventing yourself from having peace. You are slowly killing yourself with this inward turmoil in your life.
You have this one life according to what you believe. Look how youíre spending it. Youíre miserable and unhappy. Iím sorry you are not a better person because of Atheism. Some Atheist may be a peace with themselves but you are far from that.
How many real friends do YOU have?

You are slowly killing yourself with your insistence that your inner delusions are actually real.

Of course-- you can likely find equally brain-damaged folk, equally as deluded as you are for company.

The funny thing? When you people are put into a closed space for very long?

Sooner than later, you all start fighting each other-- soon leading to actual murder-- over who's delusions are the REAL delusions!

Seriously-- I have seen it too often, to be funny.

I suspect the ONLY thing that prevents this (you, murdering)? Is that there are ATHEISTS among you for you to make fun of.....!
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179767 Oct 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
How many real friends do YOU have?
You are slowly killing yourself with your insistence that your inner delusions are actually real.
Of course-- you can likely find equally brain-damaged folk, equally as deluded as you are for company.
The funny thing? When you people are put into a closed space for very long?
Sooner than later, you all start fighting each other-- soon leading to actual murder-- over who's delusions are the REAL delusions!
Seriously-- I have seen it too often, to be funny.
I suspect the ONLY thing that prevents this (you, murdering)? Is that there are ATHEISTS among you for you to make fun of.....!
Bob, do your neighbors a favor and spray for roaches in your house. Donít forget the dishes, they can be washed you know.
Eagle 12

Troy, IL

#179768 Oct 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Lie.
I can no more make myself BELIEVE in YOUR delusions than YOU could fly by flapping your arms real fast.
If you have a magic formula that could instill this FAITH you go on about?
Something short of hitting myself in the head to cause severe brain damage?
Then you MIGHT have a valid point.
Go do your dishes Bob.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#179769 Oct 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, it is NOT the vibration of space. It is the motion of the atoms *through* space in a cyclic fashion. There is a difference.
<quoted text>
Simply wrong.
1. Space is not what is vibrating. Instead, the atoms are moving through space.
2. This vibration of individual molecules is NOT the main component of heat. The kinetic energy through space is.
<quoted text>
No, we found the tiny parts and then understand the larger wholes in terms of those tiny parts. No brick wall.
<quoted text>
The expansion is still going on. So the atoms were formed *during* the expansion.
<quoted text>
Do you attempt to be coherent?
<quoted text>
Why do you think the singularity is anything like what happens when we start processes *within* the universe?
<quoted text>
Causality has issues at this level.
<quoted text>
Again, simply wrong. Heat is a large scale description based in statistical mechanics. It isn't a 'quantum carrier', whatever *that* is supposed to mean.
Isn't thermal energy , kinetic energy, potential energy and hence heat, all properties of matter?

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