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# Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#179673 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You don't need the mathematics to understand. You do need something like it to standardize some concepts. You are stuck in a mathematical abstraction thinking and lose sight of physics. Look at your references to calculations and such.
Friction is caused by molecules of two different objects trying to shear each other. Very, very small sawtoothy things pressed together by gravity or mechanical force, or even magnetically. The molecules aren't moving randomly, they are reacting according to the laws of physics which stresses their bonds and heat is generated. That is vibrations of the space surrounding them. You will also get heat generated by two charges displacing space around them. Your strong force and the motion is one example. Electric motors are another. Heat is transfered through the bondings of mass if present, the web of charges creating mass, or as light if not. This heat is your basic force, which is a vibration of the medium this universe was created in.
That's what physics is , it is using math as a tool to measure things. The concept is one thing , the explanation of what it is doing exactly IS physics.

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#179674 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are inconsistent in your descriptions.
Now, this is on the right path.
"The heat doesn't exist in the bonds: it is the motion."
Which is what I have been saying. The motion of space being displaced. Your little quantum thingies. Those bonds vibrate space, sort of like guitar strings vibrate air. Those vibrations are your heat.
As I have pointed out before, modern math physics has taken the whole, broken it down to tiny parts, andthen went south worshipping those tiny parts as the gods of the universe. They hit a brick wall and started working backwards. Your own BBT says those atoms, and constituent parts thereof were formed after the expansion. That whirlpool analogy I have used before. The compression of the universe causes a hard focusing of energy creating those nuclei. That is why they can be stripped down by other outside forces within the apparent closed system of the universe. That is also why those strong localized forces can be moved around by larger and much weaker forces.
The universe was created from without, not within. That singularity was not something that popped out of nothing, it was a something energized to start a process. We do it all of the time in our technology.
Thingies are results of processes, not the origination or first cause.
Heat is your quantum carrier. It isn't the apparent particle generating those vibrations, but the vibration of space between them.
Thermal energy isn't the motion of space. It is in the kinetic and potential energy in the motion of matter AKA: the speed that atoms spin and vibrate.

Since: Sep 10

#179675 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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The Atheist said to a group of farmers in the barbershop,“There ain’t no hell.”
Then one of the farmers stood up and pointed his finger at the Atheist and said,
“The hell there ain’t!”
Is there a punchline?
Eagle 12
#179676 Oct 11, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Is there a punchline?
What is your view on the pressure on the Washington Redskins to change their name?

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#179678 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Thermal energy isn't the motion of space. It is in the kinetic and potential energy in the motion of matter AKA: the speed that atoms spin and vibrate.
Spin and vibrate, eh?

That's motion, isn't it?

There is a lot of space between particles, which are not really "hard" particles. We have had this discussion before. I believe Poly even admitted they were charged fields. You have the basic stuff of matter holding matter together. Whether it is a few interlocked molecules or a block of steel. There is no hard direct link between particles. Charge over distance, and thus over space. You have no direct link to carry heat. You have charged fields acting as fan blades on space. Space is getting pumped around within the molecular structure. The heat then affects the charges and you get photons or light generated to get rid of the excess stress on the web of charges. Take away the external stresses causing the stress, such as the rest of the universe's EM and gravity, and you would get no light because there is no heat, or stress, to cause light to be formed and emitted.

Heat is packets of space created by that spinning and swirling bunch of charges. Take a freeze frame of a molecule and you will see compartments of space trapped within it.

This is because the universe was created from the outside in, not the magical inside out modern physics and Topix atheists seek. Whirlpools and eddys following streams.

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#179679 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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No Doctor, free will means you have a choice.
If we really do have a choice, why won't you f*ck off once we've chosen?
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Some make bad choices in life. They have to pay the consequences.
What is the consequence of lying about god to complete strangers?
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Example the free will to start smoking. However long term smokers have to pay the pied piper in the end.
Every dies at the end, so it makes no difference.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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You are free to choose if you want to believe in God or if you don’t want to.
Belief in god is not a choice, it depends on if you suffer from the mental illness of faith or not.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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What will be the consequence? To be determined.
Another attempt at threatening atheists with no evidence.
Eagle 12 wrote:
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I say that because you have the right to change your mind right up to the very second you pass away.
You say everything you say because you are a mentally ill creationist with no proof of god who has converted nobody through your relentless religious stupidity.

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#179680 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Spin and vibrate, eh?
That's motion, isn't it?
There is a lot of space between particles, which are not really "hard" particles. We have had this discussion before. I believe Poly even admitted they were charged fields. You have the basic stuff of matter holding matter together. Whether it is a few interlocked molecules or a block of steel. There is no hard direct link between particles. Charge over distance, and thus over space. You have no direct link to carry heat. You have charged fields acting as fan blades on space. Space is getting pumped around within the molecular structure. The heat then affects the charges and you get photons or light generated to get rid of the excess stress on the web of charges. Take away the external stresses causing the stress, such as the rest of the universe's EM and gravity, and you would get no light because there is no heat, or stress, to cause light to be formed and emitted.
Heat is packets of space created by that spinning and swirling bunch of charges. Take a freeze frame of a molecule and you will see compartments of space trapped within it.
This is because the universe was created from the outside in, not the magical inside out modern physics and Topix atheists seek. Whirlpools and eddys following streams.
Concentrate on proving the god your cult sent you here to lie to us about, there's a good creationist troll...

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#179681 Oct 11, 2013
Creationists eager to talk about science, but can't produce sh*t when asked for evidence of god.
blacklagoon
#179682 Oct 11, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> You know the deal blackbaboon, except a man be born again he cannot see, spiritual things are spiritually discerned. Its a gift, wise people seek it.
Yes I know the *deal* very well. The *deal* is you nor any other Theists can provide proof for what you believe. You make an assertion "God made man" and when asked to provide evidence you do the Christian dance of the fools. You twist, you turn, you dart left then right, but NEVER not in 2000 years have any of you provided verifiable evidence for your ridiculous claim. It never fails and you have just participated in the dance buy posting mumbo jumbo when I asked for proof. I ask for evidence I get..."Except a man be born again he cannot see." WTF kind of bullshit is that?

Of course you're wrong, wise men seek truth, not spiritual things. For it is the light of TRUTH that lights the way, not spiritual mumbo jumbo.
blacklagoon
#179683 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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What is your view on the pressure on the Washington Redskins to change their name?
I think they should change it to...Those scalping Mutha...kers.

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#179684 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Spin and vibrate, eh?
That's motion, isn't it?
There is a lot of space between particles, which are not really "hard" particles. We have had this discussion before. I believe Poly even admitted they were charged fields. You have the basic stuff of matter holding matter together. Whether it is a few interlocked molecules or a block of steel. There is no hard direct link between particles. Charge over distance, and thus over space. You have no direct link to carry heat. You have charged fields acting as fan blades on space. Space is getting pumped around within the molecular structure. The heat then affects the charges and you get photons or light generated to get rid of the excess stress on the web of charges. Take away the external stresses causing the stress, such as the rest of the universe's EM and gravity, and you would get no light because there is no heat, or stress, to cause light to be formed and emitted.
Heat is packets of space created by that spinning and swirling bunch of charges. Take a freeze frame of a molecule and you will see compartments of space trapped within it.
This is because the universe was created from the outside in, not the magical inside out modern physics and Topix atheists seek. Whirlpools and eddys following streams.

Doesn't change the fact that heat....is a consequence of matter.
In much the same way that mass is a consequence of matter.

The Background radiation is and the temperature of space ,
(the fact it has one) is a result of matter.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179685 Oct 11, 2013
Bongo wrote:
If man went to the moon its Gods doing, he made the man and gave him all ability.
Who is responsible for hell and Satan?

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Fennario

#179686 Oct 11, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Look whos talking , a sturthiform gal with xanthodontous
LOL.

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#179687 Oct 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It has.
Things up here in the Land Of The Stupid (rethugs), it looks like those idiots are finally realizing they simply don't have unlimited power...
.. and are capitulating.
It's funny: the ReThugs' are polling at LOWER than even when they tried to impeach Clinton.
If you can fathom that-- pretty much everyone blames them for the shutdown.
I so wish this was an election year-- they would all be out on their lazy parasitic backsides...
Sorry to hear it. It's almost all depressing news. I pretty much avoid listening any more except for watching Bill Maher's show.

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blacklagoon
#179688 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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“There are many good people who behave horribly because of religion.”
Doctor, I disagree with your analogy. Good people are good until they do something bad. They cross that line. Once they step over that line goodness is lost and they are identified by their last act.
People who have shot and murdered Doctors in abortion clinics are murders. Plain and simple, they are not good people but murders. The Doctors that murder babies near full term are also murders.
Now let’s delve into the Westboro Baptist Church. They are Americans and are entitled to their belief and opinions. However picketing a funeral of our fallen soldiers is very disrespectful. Not only that it’s dangerous and provoking a confrontation.
But providing they are far enough away so as not to disrupt the funeral service they have a right to protest. We have to remember that service member died for freedom.
If they were protesting too close. It's time to break out the paint ball guns.
I know someone who is extremely religious and gay. He attends a church every Sunday, participates in the charity events and fund drives, he loves his church. The people who belong to this church are well respected citizens, doctors, teachers, lawyers, professional people, parents of young children, I know many of them. When it became known that he was a homosexual, he was literally ostracized from the church. He was told in no uncertain terms that he was no longer welcome, and told this by the pastor. He's a bit of a hard head and continued to attend church on Sundays. This is what the "Good People" did, the Good religious people. He was told there were no seat available and had to stand in the back of the church. Whispers and stares followed. When he showed up for a fund raiser, the doors were locked. he came out of church to find his tires slashed. Mumbles of faggot could be heard as he knelt in the snow to change his tire. Here were good decent people, family people, charitable people, but because God chose to make him what he is, these good people turned ugly and cruel. Good people turned into cruel monsters by their religious beliefs. Now don't even begin to tell me Good people can't be turned into uncaring monsters because of religious beliefs.
As far as the Westboro crowd. Put yourself in the shoes of the father mourning the loss of his young son, killed serving his country. You are at the cemetary , taps are being played, your anguish is all consuming, and you look up and see........THANK GOD FOR IED'S. These people are chanting, "God killed your son because the U.S. accepts same sex marriage." Here are people otherwise good and decent, but religion has driven them to this spiteful and cruel level. Yes they have the right to be cruel and abusive and uncaring, and mean spirited, and unsympathetic, but religion is the cause. I can't think of anything that disgusts me more than these people. And if you try to defend their action, your as despicable as they are!!!

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#179689 Oct 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Who is responsible for hell and Satan?
I think I know this one...

Groundskeeper Willie?

Since: Sep 08

#179690 Oct 11, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Doesn't change the fact that heat....is a consequence of matter.
In much the same way that mass is a consequence of matter.
The Background radiation is and the temperature of space ,
(the fact it has one) is a result of matter.
Explain the hot dense singularity BEFORE the creation of matter or mass. That heat is a very important component of the BBT.

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#179691 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
No Doctor, free will means you have a choice.
Some make bad choices in life. They have to pay the consequences. Example the free will to start smoking. However long term smokers have to pay the pied piper in the end.
You are free to choose if you want to believe in God or if you don’t want to. What will be the consequence? To be determined. I say that because you have the right to change your mind right up to the very second you pass away.
I couldn't choose to believe in God anymore than I could choose to believe that the Earth is made of pudding.

The proof is in the pudding.

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179692 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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1 Kings 18:
20 So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. 21 Elijah went before the people and said,“How long will you waver between two opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him.”
But the people said nothing.
22 Then Elijah said to them,“I am the only one of the Lord’s prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. 23 Get two bulls for us. Let Baal’s prophets choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. 24 Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the Lord. The god who answers by fire—he is God.”
Then all the people said,“What you say is good.”
25 Elijah said to the prophets of Baal,“Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire.” 26 So they took the bull given them and prepared it.
Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon.“Baal, answer us!” they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.
27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them.“Shout louder!” he said.“Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.” 28 So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. 29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.
30 Then Elijah said to all the people,“Come here to me.” They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the Lord, which had been torn down. 31 Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the Lord had come, saying,“Your name shall be Israel.” 32 With the stones he built an altar in the name of the Lord, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs[a] of seed. 33 He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them,“Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood.”
34 “Do it again,” he said, and they did it again.
“Do it a third time,” he ordered, and they did it the third time. 35 The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.
36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed:“Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”
38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.
39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried,“The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”
Oh!

So there is a different god for **each** brand of Genuine Christian™?

That actually makes sense!

40,000 **different** gods, EACH competing with the others....

... no **WONDER** no prayer EVER goes answered in a positive way.

That does explain it--thanks!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#179693 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Yes, Amen, in the mind and hearts.
And no where else.

Such as ... actual reality itself, where there are no gods of any sort.

Good!

You are finally getting it.

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