Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179626 Oct 11, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell me what God could've done to Hitler to prevent WW2
Made him a good, loving man.

What kind of a being has the ability to do that but won't?

What would Satan have done differently had he been in charge of the universe instead?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179627 Oct 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You cannot prove anything to a person not willing and able to be convinced by a proof. It is necessary that you be able to understand the proof, which is why I could not prove the Pythagorean theorem to toddler, and that you be willing to be convinced by compelling evidence supported by a compelling argument, which is why Christians reject proofs of their god's nonexistence.
For example, it's easy to demonstrate to an open mind that no omniscient, omnipotent, omnibenevolent god exists to watch over us and protect us. The human condition rules out that possibility. If there are gods, they either don't know us, can't help us, or don't care enough to do so. Only people committed to believing otherwise reject such an argument.
Want more? Of course you don't. But here it is anyway:
Perfection doesn't allow for change, since either the before or after state would have been less than perfect. You cant change the shape of a perfectly straight line or perfect circle without making it imperfect. Likewise, a perfect god couldn't create anything or even think anything without losing perfection.
Here's more evidence of your god's nonexistence:
If your god existed, it wouldn't tolerate blasphemy, its church wouldn't be withering away, it couldn't have been expelled from grade schools, its intelligent designs would be unmistakeable, the bible's creation myth wouldn't have been so incorrect, and there would be only one religion, which wouldn't even be recognized as religion - just more science.
Don't you think that it's a little insincere for faith based thinkers to argue about proof since evidence and proof are of little interest to them? They don't require it of the things they believe, and when the evidence contradicts those faith based beliefs, they ignore it. What else do we have to offer to prove anything apart from evidence and reason to which the closed mind is as impervious as Superman is to bullets? How can even that which is provable be proven to such a mind?
"Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.Ē- Mike Huben
Robert Stevens wrote:
I am not a Christian.
With all due respect, that's a judgment that I'll make myself. My definition of Christian may vary from yours. Mine is an operational definition. I don't really care what you believe, just how you behave.

Good rebuttal, by the way.
Robert Stevens wrote:
Your post just shows good reason for people to never vote for an atheist.
You didn't learn much from the Bush years, did you?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179628 Oct 11, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
I don't hate you, I just would never vote for your political agenda. It's a free country, you are entitled to your freedom of religion. With enough control of the government, I don't believe you would afford us such freedoms.
You think you know my political agenda after a half dozen posts over 24 hours, none political? I didn't know I had a political agenda. What do you think it is?

What's your political agenda, and how does it differ from mine?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179629 Oct 11, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> But Gods failures are better than the greatness of mortal man.
That's a judgment on your part, and it seems a very biased one. I disagree. To me, men's greatest achievements - such as visiting the moon and returning alive - are greater than your god's failures, like that flood, or Hitler.

It's hard not to notice that believers tend to call whatever their god is said to have done good and great, whatever the motive, whatever the result. I do it the other way around. I look at the outcome, and judge the god based on it. If the results cause or allow pain, grief, anguish, and the like, they're not good or great.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#179630 Oct 11, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like to say humans put this on themselves. Gays, and yes gays, for sleeping together created mankind's worst disease, AIDs.
Time and time again, evil and ignorant creationists use their cult as an excuse to hate on homosexuals.

Will lying theists ever learn to keep their prejudices to themselves?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179631 Oct 11, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see, did you forget free will, man has the power to do whatever they want, if a human chooses to murder, is that God's fault?
For example, if you murdered someone, would you blame God for what YOU done, now WW2.
God has his reasons, I ask again, do you think a event as huge as that God will stop over night?
God has his reasons, now disease.
I would like to say humans put this on themselves. Gays, and yes gays, for sleeping together created mankind's worst disease, AIDs.
Now that's one of course man is looking for a cure which is out there somewhere, diseases like Cancer God allows to happen but doesn't make it happen, God made a medicine for every disease on this planet, but us, Humans decided they don't want to help the poor countries. God saved many babies but because humans refused to listing to God.
I think Humans are to blame for Earth's havoc, especially since they didn't want to follow God's instructions since Adam and Eve.
I repeated things so you atheists can see.
If you think AIDS is mankind's worst disease, your grasp of history is a weak as your grasp on reality.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179632 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so FOS.
Your "energy" is your God, and you can't explain or describe it.
Hiding behind complexity, not knowing what you know, just to argue. Just like a woman.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so FOS.
Your "energy" is your God, and you can't explain or describe it.
Hiding behind complexity, not knowing what you know, just to argue. Just like a woman.
Stop making assumptions based on your limited intellect and misogynistic stupidity

Are you saying that the worlds leading cosmologist and particle physicists etc at the perimeter institute who have spent a combined hundreds of man years studying their subjects donít know what they are talking about and you, who hasnít, does?

I canít even blame the fact that you are a man of little brain and can only assume tha the davesworld you inhabit is a really weird place.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179633 Oct 11, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, forgot.
"At this time, the Universe was in an extremely hot and dense state and began expanding rapidly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
You will find that same description everywhere.
One word

SINGULARITY

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179634 Oct 11, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
<quoted text>
How do you go through life not understanding what you read?
Full Definition of COMPREHENSION
1
a : the act or action of grasping with the intellect : understanding
b : knowledge gained by comprehending
c : the capacity for understanding fully <mysteries that are beyond our comprehension>
2
a : the act or process of comprising
b : the faculty or capability of including : comprehensiveness
3
: connotation 3
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/com...
And why is this and excuse for what YOU SAID?

Ahh, I get it, must be a case of sloping shoulders

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179635 Oct 11, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I love you calling someone a ____bot, you who proudly stated you will respond to my every post. It is stunning how stupid you are. OK now respond wormmeatbot
Why do you lie so blatantly?

Is that how you were educated?

Is that what you god tells you to do?

Is it because you are embarrassed that you have nothing else?

Or maybe even that you are so stupid that you donít even realise how stupid you are? There is a name for that, nope not godbot but the Dunning Kruger effect.

I have NEVER said that I would reply to your every post.

I did say that just because you are a ignorant and ignore your obnoxious abuse of the dead does not mean I wonít go away until you can grow a set of balls and apologise for mocking and lying about the dead. The dead who gave their lives so that ignorant baffons like you can mock and lie about them.

Jeez, for even for a godbot you are such a pathetic wimp.

And of course more guesswork, FYI, my funeral will involve cremation, but perhaps you are will be one who will be worm meat, buried six foot under waiting for an imaginary miracle while you rot in peace.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179636 Oct 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi stranger, long time no see. How you doing?

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#179637 Oct 11, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, let's see, did you forget free will, man has the power to do whatever they want, if a human chooses to murder, is that God's fault?
For example, if you murdered someone, would you blame God for what YOU done, now WW2.
God has his reasons, I ask again, do you think a event as huge as that God will stop over night?
God has his reasons, now disease.
I would like to say humans put this on themselves. Gays, and yes gays, for sleeping together created mankind's worst disease, AIDs.
Now that's one of course man is looking for a cure which is out there somewhere, diseases like Cancer God allows to happen but doesn't make it happen, God made a medicine for every disease on this planet, but us, Humans decided they don't want to help the poor countries. God saved many babies but because humans refused to listing to God.
I think Humans are to blame for Earth's havoc, especially since they didn't want to follow God's instructions since Adam and Eve.
I repeated things so you atheists can see.
All you're allowing us to "see" is how thoroughly and irreparably religion can break a mind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#179638 Oct 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi stranger, long time no see. How you doing?
Hey there, Christine. I'm well, thank you, and hope your are too.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#179639 Oct 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey there, Christine. I'm well, thank you, and hope your are too.
Iím fine thanks, great to see you.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#179640 Oct 11, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>All you're allowing us to "see" is how thoroughly and irreparably religion can break a mind.
You're comment is irrelevant to me.
Bongo

Yonkers, NY

#179641 Oct 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a judgment on your part, and it seems a very biased one. I disagree. To me, men's greatest achievements - such as visiting the moon and returning alive - are greater than your god's failures, like that flood, or Hitler.
It's hard not to notice that believers tend to call whatever their god is said to have done good and great, whatever the motive, whatever the result. I do it the other way around. I look at the outcome, and judge the god based on it. If the results cause or allow pain, grief, anguish, and the like, they're not good or great.
We're told this is a temporary condition and sweat of the brow is the rule. Kicked out of the garden. A test perhaps. The pupil can never be greater than the teacher. If man went to the moon its Gods doing, he made the man and gave him all ability.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#179642 Oct 11, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> We're told this is a temporary condition and sweat of the brow is the rule. Kicked out of the garden. A test perhaps. The pupil can never be greater than the teacher. If man went to the moon its Gods doing, he made the man and gave him all ability.
Religious liars can prove anything the say - there's no such thing as god and your lies are tiring.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#179643 Oct 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you lie so blatantly?
Is that how you were educated?
Is that what you god tells you to do?
That is how their cult works - you get rewarded for the harder you lie. Inevitable, it also means the lies get more and more outrageous as the disease progresses.
Bongo

Union City, NJ

#179644 Oct 11, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
And why is this and excuse for what YOU SAID?
Ahh, I get it, must be a case of sloping shoulders
Look whos talking , a sturthiform gal with xanthodontous
Bongo

Union City, NJ

#179645 Oct 11, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Religious liars can prove anything the say - there's no such thing as god and your lies are tiring.
Just not tiring enough for a pilgarlic like you to stay out of forums with the above title.

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