Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179128 Oct 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You are now on step two.
__________
Step One on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Isolating your target-group (the one you hate) with an artificial "distinction".
Step Two on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Trying to claim your target-group (the one you hate) is less than human.
Step Three on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Murder your target-group.
I guess I could see pedefiles as such a target group.

Who's to say, perhaps as I get to know atheist better I may want to throw them into a heated oven. OK soulless one what is step 3.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179129 Oct 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You are now on step two.
__________
Step One on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Isolating your target-group (the one you hate) with an artificial "distinction".
Step Two on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Trying to claim your target-group (the one you hate) is less than human.
Step Three on the Road To Your Gas Chambers of Mass Murder:
Murder your target-group.
You guys are annoying, but no need to kill you all, besides the ones I know are not half as bad as you are. They are capable of comprehensive conversation. You really do seek pity don't you. Your beliefs are thoughts, in that you are a minority. You are not an ethnic minority. You are an everyone should stop and pity me person. That wishes there was more reason to pity you. For whatever reason you have no soul, that is between you and The Perfect One.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179130 Oct 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You seriously need to buy a clue.
Honestly this is what you could do. Drive to a Barnes and Noble/Starbucks buy a cup of coffee and a pastry, pie or piece of cake. I like the soup. They will let you read a magazine of your choice. Aren't Democracy/Republics fabulous. You really have no clue how far behind the times you are.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179131 Oct 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I was correct: you have no evidence of any worth.
Just more of your bullshyt.
Your dissembling above, is certain proof of your bullshyt.
I can't prove to you, you have a soul. Just like you can't prove to me you are not locked into 1870, but you have limited access to a computer.
Thinking

UK

#179132 Oct 4, 2013
You're projecting again.
Robert Stevens wrote:
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You guys are annoying, but no need to kill you all, besides the ones I know are not half as bad as you are. They are capable of comprehensive conversation. You really do seek pity don't you. Your beliefs are thoughts, in that you are a minority. You are not an ethnic minority. You are an everyone should stop and pity me person. That wishes there was more reason to pity you. For whatever reason you have no soul, that is between you and The Perfect One.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179133 Oct 4, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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Itís hard for an unbeliever to understand. You canít understand because you have already closed your mind. In my case having an Atheist Father. I tested God and found him to be as real as anyone you have ever met.
Itís no longer a question of faith for me. It was a first but I have gone way beyond just simple faith. The bible has been around for thousands of years. It has withstood the test of time. Thereís documents that have been preserved that are thousands of years old.
I know beyond the shadow of any doubt God is real. My belief is based on my personal experience. If you are a treasure hunter and you donít believe thereís buried treasure. Youíre not going to put in the effort to find it.
But treasure hunters who are successful believe thereís hidden treasures in the ground. Some spend hundreds to thousands of hours before the get that first big pay off.
God is real my friend. Perhaps not to you because you havenít invested the time & effort to test and see if God is real.
During this process, how did you determine that all of the other thousands of gods who were worshipped by man over the years weren't real, but the god you are worshipping is real?

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179134 Oct 4, 2013
Eagle 12 wrote:
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You are tranquilized in a self induced fallacy that infants are born Atheist. Yes we can agree, itís a common assumption among Atheist. This induced fallacy feeds into the narcissism which is a big part of Atheist physiological make up.
I just want to let you know the rest of the world doesnít see it as the same as you do Bob. You can clutch onto your belief. Hold it dear to your heart like a teddy bear or favorite security blanket. Itís ok Bob, we are not going to take away your beloved blanky. I wouldnít do that to you Bob. I know you have to sleep.
How can it be a fallacy when you, yourself, admitted several days ago that babies have to be taught about god and trained about religion?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179135 Oct 4, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You're projecting again.
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There is such thing as statements supporting statements for proof. It does not all ways have to be hand held to be proof. The atheist here at topix, that have to frequently post against religion. The blogs they post makes it clear they do feel jaded, by a system. I don't think that you are the majority of atheist. However, if atheism became a populist movement. The Atheist that are now not so hateful, or fundamental will fall in place. I do think you would have a greater percentage of atheist that are fundamentalist, than any other religious group. I think wiser atheist promote atheism while supporting religious groups like Buddhist, that denounce fundamentalist in their ranks. overall an atheist based country is just a bad idea.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179136 Oct 4, 2013
roseinthorn__ wrote:
Well, one thing is certain. We will all go into a box 6 feet underground, or most of us, anyway. I can do 2 things: 1)HOPE that He is not there; or 2)TRUST that He will be. Only those two options. The second is positive, I choose it.
How sad that you fear the god you worship...

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#179137 Oct 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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How sad that you fear the god you worship...
roseinthorn pay this hater no mind. He is sad. By his very own admission, he has no soul

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#179138 Oct 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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...
I am still waiting for you to explain why you insulted the memory of my grandfather.

Of course I am prepared to wait a long time and no doubt I will have to wait a long time but that does not change the fact that you insulted millions of very brave dead men who fought to save you chicken sh|t a$$
Thinking

UK

#179139 Oct 4, 2013
"all ways"

Sheesh.
Robert Stevens wrote:
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There is such thing as statements supporting statements for proof. It does not all ways have to be hand held to be proof. The atheist here at topix, that have to frequently post against religion. The blogs they post makes it clear they do feel jaded, by a system. I don't think that you are the majority of atheist. However, if atheism became a populist movement. The Atheist that are now not so hateful, or fundamental will fall in place. I do think you would have a greater percentage of atheist that are fundamentalist, than any other religious group. I think wiser atheist promote atheism while supporting religious groups like Buddhist, that denounce fundamentalist in their ranks. overall an atheist based country is just a bad idea.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#179140 Oct 4, 2013
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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text> There is NO scientific evidence for UFO's, otherwise it would have been made public and we would ALL know about it. Front page news, world-wide, on every television station in the world, but......nothing, only people like you how make claims they can't prove.
Let me stop you right here. I know for a fact you have not viewed the videos I posted nor have you researched ufology because UFOís have been validated on CNN news, scientist, air traffic control, pilots, specific branches in the military etc... This is why I canít argue with people like you because you are not honest with yourself nor in the research you call yourself engaged in and integrity and honesty is a must for an argument to progress.

I have learned that posters like you are on here only to insult people are talk negative to posters like myself and this is why I am not going to get into a scientific argument with you. I am flawless at what I do and what I speak of is validated and can be proven scientifically. I am not going to get into this with you because you are intellectually dishonest with yourself, biased, close minded and negative thinking on the universal scale and this is demonstrated by the insults and how you address me in response to my posts.

I will say this to you, evolution is wrong and I can disprove it by applying the universal law of nonócontradiction to biological reproductive species, because nature is not contradictory and neither should the information used to explain how nature works.

This is what science lacks and the universal law of non-contradiction is a flawless scientific method that can be used to check the information when used to talk about nature and/or implementing laws through the civil governments when it comes to governing human behavior. Your scientific method lacks this!

You and a lot of other posters in this forum need to mature and learn how to argue correctly (non-insults are negative projections) because your argument is invalid to me when you hurl insults are try and talk down on someone. I feel your negative (not a universal positive thinker) energy and I donít affiliate with people who thrive on negative energy.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#179141 Oct 4, 2013
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blacklagoon wrote:
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There are documentations about all sorts of things, it doesn't make them real. Science makes them real. Investigation, tests, examining from ever angle, repeatability, peer review articles, weighing, measuring, more testing.
And may I ask what scientific method do you use to check all the information that is in your above quote? The information has to go through a scientific method as well and this is what your scientific method lacks. What nature governs, it does not change to an opposite of its function, but instead it varies and this is why nature is a "constant variable."

Theory of evolution violates the universal law of non-contradiction because it propose that biological reproductive species change to an opposite/incompatible biological reproductive species by the sharing of common ancestors which made us and all the rest of bio-diversity opposite species, and this is not how nature works because nature does not contradict its self and this is where the theory of evolution fails.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO physical evidence that UFO's are real, so there is nothing to test or examine Hearsay, anecdotal testimony, stories told and passed on a number of times. I know all about it, I was an avid UFO's enthusiasts, read everything I could get my hands on, watched all the documents on T.V. am still a huge Sci-Fi fan. But I refuse to accept anything without verifiable evidence, and there is NONE when it comes to UFO's
I know there are Alien races out there among the stars, the odds are just too overwhelming to not know they exist. But until I have evidence, no matter how attractive the idea, I won't accept bullshit, and neither should you!!!
We can try this if you can keep it clean because I donít like affiliating with negative insulting people who hurl insults because someone donít hold the same opinion or truth that they do. Your entire post is wrong when it comes to UFOís and I will prove this if you can keep this argument clean.

REMEMBER: Nature does not change to an opposite of its function but instead it varies and this is why nature is a "constant variable." Nature is constant and it's a variable that has boundaries by not changing to the opposite.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179142 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I am still waiting for you to explain why you insulted the memory of my grandfather.
Of course I am prepared to wait a long time and no doubt I will have to wait a long time but that does not change the fact that you insulted millions of very brave dead men who fought to save you chicken sh|t a$$
Now, now...you know that Robert Stevens doesn't have the balls to actually answer questions. He'll dodge, deflect, change the subject...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#179143 Oct 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
There is such thing as statements supporting statements for proof. It does not all ways have to be hand held to be proof. The atheist here at topix, that have to frequently post against religion. The blogs they post makes it clear they do feel jaded, by a system. I don't think that you are the majority of atheist. However, if atheism became a populist movement. The Atheist that are now not so hateful, or fundamental will fall in place. I do think you would have a greater percentage of atheist that are fundamentalist, than any other religious group. I think wiser atheist promote atheism while supporting religious groups like Buddhist, that denounce fundamentalist in their ranks. overall an atheist based country is just a bad idea.
And you still have not idea, no understanding, no comprehension of what atheism is.

Your seem to be under the impression that itís some sort of religion, how totally wrong and one idiot be.

FYI atheism is not a grouping as religious groups are. This concept shows the fact that you are incapable of thinking in any other way but in the limited and restrictive way you have been indoctrinated to think. It is therefore little wonder that you are incapable of undressing the philosophy of atheism. You are a sheep in sheepís clothing, indoctrinated to follow godbot think to the exclusion of all else. Because of your ignorance you make the stupid assumption that all people think as you do, that all people are as stupid as you are.

Atheism is nothing more than a state of mind, a state of mind that is not encumbered by any god crutch. Nothing more, nothing less, in my experience as an atheist (something you can never understand) atheist tend to be more relaxed, freer in their thoughts and most certainly more tolerant of others than godbots like you are.

It is also the case that when you spout lies and BS hatred about what you do not understand and you are challenged about your spiteful ignorance you have a tendency to pretend the challenge did not occur. Another glaring sign of deliberate ignorance.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#179144 Oct 4, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Now, now...you know that Robert Stevens doesn't have the balls to actually answer questions. He'll dodge, deflect, change the subject...
It is expected. However, no matter how ignorant he is, I will not just simply go away because he is embarrassed by his own verbal vomit. He made a statement, he is responsible for that statement

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#179145 Oct 4, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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It is expected. However, no matter how ignorant he is, I will not just simply go away because he is embarrassed by his own verbal vomit. He made a statement, he is responsible for that statement
And you don't think you're being ignorant. I see both sides being ignorant. Atheists just can't prove how earth came from nothing, and Christians can't prove God is real.

But hey, no one cares who's ignorant and atheists are like "Oh the earth came from nothing. I mean how intelligent is that.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#179146 Oct 4, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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And you don't think you're being ignorant. I see both sides being ignorant. Atheists just can't prove how earth came from nothing, and Christians can't prove God is real.
But hey, no one cares who's ignorant and atheists are like "Oh the earth came from nothing. I mean how intelligent is that.
Where earth came from is irrelevant to atheism.

All atheism is is the lack of belief in deities - nothing more, nothing less.

It really isn't that complicated.

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#179147 Oct 4, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I may have seen them documentaries and forgot them. My answer to your question is. The animal which we are, human. Most likely and I mean heavy odds in favor of this, was not created by God. However energy that is our souls was. I wish I could tell you more but I do try to limit assumption.
I seriously doubt the (source to all life) GOD created us to because this creation is in contradiction with the source and the source GOD (source to all life) does not contradict its self because itís constant/eternal and this we are not in the physical form.

The question is do GOD (source to all life) always stay in its current form and never die (this word is not universal) like we do. If so, this creation (physical existence) is in contradiction with the (source to all life) so this leads me to think that GOD (source to all life) did not create us unless GOD (source to all life) is eternal and also experience death/transitions like we do and this I seriously doubt and I truly do not know.

Who knows, the word death could mean transition to a higher or lower dimension which is based on the choices the individual makes doing his/her/its lifetime. The word life is also not a universal term by the way science is defining it but I have a universal definition for life and itís called: Any entity rather physical or not that has the ability to choose or instincts are considered life forms.

This would be a universal definition for life and this is what I use because I only accept universally valid concepts/ideas and/or scientific laws which are universal also.

The source (GOD) is eternal and always existed. Now, we have always existed (which makes us up physically) and I donít know if the soul is part of what makes us up physically because I have not validated or disproved that a soul exist yet.

How do you describe a soul because I am trying to figure this one out?! If you don't mind let's focus on what a soul is and see if we can validate this.

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