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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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reasoner

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#178329 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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And you think you have a deep knowledge of the bible?
I think you confuse intentional skepticism with actual knowledge.
You are lying to yourself. Bob quite rightly points out "The bible does not speak of Jesus, in the old testament" This is a statement of fact. People on this forum are knowledgeable on the Bible, because they have actually read it and dont accept religious indocrination.

If you take the trouble of looking at the supposed prophecies of Jesus in the OT, and read them in context, you will see they are not prophecies at all, and have been lifted out of context by the crafty gospel writers. This in itself is enough to prove that Christianity is a false religious system.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#178330 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How can morality predate God?
First, which god? There are around 3700 gods documented of which 2400 are said to have omnipotence as is claimed of the abrahamic god.

Second, Easy, morality is a condition that existed long before any god was thought of. There are some animals that hold to a type of morality and no god is involved. Certainly, without morality civilisation would not exist and therefore there would be no need to invent gods

However reglutards of all types have tried to claim morality as their own and in the same way as they misrepresent the meaning of the word truth (and so many other words), they misrepresent the meaning of the word morality. May I suggest educating yourself by looking up the meaning of the word on google, you will notice that the definition has bugger all to do with any god. While you are at it you could do the same for “truth” and you will notice it is not what you believe to be true or sounds like it could be true to you but what is actually true.

Given that you consistently lie about the term morality (and reading your post, so much else) I can only consider myself, as a person labelled atheist by such as you, to be considerably more moral than you could ever be.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178331 Sep 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I'm lucky enough to live up in the Chiltern Hills between London and Oxford. I can get into central London in 24 minutes but it still feels very rural.
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I envy you. I wish the immigration rules to work in the UK weren't so tight, I'd love to live there.

Ah well...

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178332 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Nice try.
Are your unicorns omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent and have actually engaged with man throughout recorded history?
Of course they are - everyone know that.

Why do you have such a willing disbelief in the power of Unicorns?

You know, if you just pray really, really hard, the Unicorns will reveal themselves to you...

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178333 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The old Santa Claus argument.
Yes, people keep using it because it works.

Plus, it makes you look like a tool...
LCNLin

United States

#178334 Sep 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Since morality predates your religion, prove it.
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Prove evangelistic atheism ?
Lots of posts but no proof of atheist religion of the 2% in America ;-)
LCNLin

United States

#178335 Sep 24, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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First, which god? There are around 3700 gods documented of which 2400 are said to have omnipotence as is claimed of the abrahamic god.
Second, Easy, morality is a condition that existed long before any god was thought of. There are some animals that hold to a type of morality and no god is involved. Certainly, without morality civilisation would not exist and therefore there would be no need to invent gods
However reglutards of all types have tried to claim morality as their own and in the same way as they misrepresent the meaning of the word truth (and so many other words), they misrepresent the meaning of the word morality. May I suggest educating yourself by looking up the meaning of the word on google, you will notice that the definition has bugger all to do with any god. While you are at it you could do the same for “truth” and you will notice it is not what you believe to be true or sounds like it could be true to you but what is actually true.
Given that you consistently lie about the term morality (and reading your post, so much else) I can only consider myself, as a person labelled atheist by such as you, to be considerably more moral than you could ever be.
Amusing as making up figures to support atheist philosophy.
Lacking proof of anything, atheist religion tries to use statistics
LOL

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#178336 Sep 24, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Amusing as making up figures to support atheist philosophy.
Lacking proof of anything, atheist religion tries to use statistics
LOL
Glad you were amused but hey, nothing made up, just pure and simple fact.

You want a list of gods, here is a page that links you to some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities

and this one list over 3700 http://www.godchecker.com/

As does this christian debate forum http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtop...

And here is a definition or two for the word morality
Google –
Morality
1 Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
2 Behavior as it is affected by the observation of these principles.

Oxford dictionary
Morality
* principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour
* particular system of values and principles of conduct:a bourgeois morality
* the extent to which an action is right or wrong

Mirriam Webster
beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior

: the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something

Referance.com is the only one I can find with a refeance to any religious implications of morality and they stop short of attributing it to a particular religion, they state in definition 4 “doctrine”
1.conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2.moral quality or character.
3.virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4.a doctrine or system of morals.
5.moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.

So lets consider my post, there are factually over 3700 documented gods, so not made up

Tell me do you often make such a fool of yourself in the name of your god?
Then the definitions of morality only consider doctrine as important enough to mention on rare occasions and in actual context, i.e. not in the context loved by so many christards
LCNLin

United States

#178337 Sep 24, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Yes, people keep using it because it works.
Plus, it makes you look like a tool...
flying Spaghetti Monster of atheist religion
still unproved on thread.
Many attacks on religion but no proof of atheist religion ..some denial which amuses

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#178338 Sep 24, 2013
Ooops not sure if it was topix or me that screwed up, probably me, anyway the last couple of paragraphs are out of order and should have read

So lets consider my post, there are factually over 3700 documented gods, so not made up

Then the definitions of morality only consider doctrine as important enough to mention on rare occasions and in actual context, i.e. not in the context loved by so many christards

Tell me do you often make such a fool of yourself in the name of your god?
LCNLin

United States

#178339 Sep 24, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Glad you were amused but hey, nothing made up, just pure and simple fact.
You want a list of gods, here is a page that links you to some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deities
and this one list over 3700 http://www.godchecker.com/
As does this christian debate forum http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtop...
And here is a definition or two for the word morality
Google –
Morality
1 Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
2 Behavior as it is affected by the observation of these principles.
Oxford dictionary
Morality
* principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour
* particular system of values and principles of conduct:a bourgeois morality
* the extent to which an action is right or wrong
Mirriam Webster
beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior
: the degree to which something is right and good : the moral goodness or badness of something
Referance.com is the only one I can find with a refeance to any religious implications of morality and they stop short of attributing it to a particular religion, they state in definition 4 “doctrine”
1.conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2.moral quality or character.
3.virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4.a doctrine or system of morals.
5.moral instruction; a moral lesson, precept, discourse, or utterance.
So lets consider my post, there are factually over 3700 documented gods, so not made up
Tell me do you often make such a fool of yourself in the name of your god?
Then the definitions of morality only consider doctrine as important enough to mention on rare occasions and in actual context, i.e. not in the context loved by so many christards
Open a book :-)

University of Google and Youtube not convincing.
Funny you count Gods, amusing and fun to read your posts.
Keep posting!!!

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178340 Sep 24, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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flying Spaghetti Monster of atheist religion
still unproved on thread.
Many attacks on religion but no proof of atheist religion ..some denial which amuses
Um...there's no proof of "atheist religion" because there is no atheist religion.

All atheism is is the lack of belief in deities.

Glad to help.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#178341 Sep 24, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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Open a book :-)
University of Google and Youtube not convincing.
Funny you count Gods, amusing and fun to read your posts.
Keep posting!!!
Good grief, its like you're channeling Yoda...learn to write.
Thinking

UK

#178342 Sep 24, 2013
Prove it.
mtimber wrote:
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I cannot prove anything to you, your reasoning is faulty and precludes me doing so.
Thinking

UK

#178343 Sep 24, 2013
Because goatfuckers only invented your god 2,600 years ago or thereabouts.
mtimber wrote:
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How can morality predate God?
Thinking

UK

#178344 Sep 24, 2013
Talking bollocks Lincock is.
Just Think wrote:
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Good grief, its like you're channeling Yoda...learn to write.
Thinking

UK

#178345 Sep 24, 2013
I don't believe in your god because like Santa Claus, there is no evidence for it being real.

But why don't you believe in Vishnu or Thor?
mtimber wrote:
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The old Santa Claus argument.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178346 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Really, where do you get your morality from?
I get my morality from KNOWING that treating people as I would want to be treated is a very sound idea. That my actions have a direct effect on others and that I am responsible for my actions. I don't need a God to tell me that raping my neighbors daughter is a really bad idea. I would know how damaging it would be to me if the same was done to a member of my family. In the end societies determine morality, not God.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178348 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Omniscience denies free will?
So you knowing that someone driving a car into a wall at 100 miles an hour will kill them makes you responsible for their death, you knowing what would happen removes their free will?
Seriously, you really believe that?
I am NOT an omnipotent being like your God is supposed to be. Could I see the future and KNOW this car would crash, and had the ability to change the course of action, I would absolutely change the outcome.

Either your God KNOWS the future or he doesn't. Either he KNOWS what will happen or he doesn't. Either your course has been laid out or not, Would you like to say that God does NOT know what course you will takes through life? For if that is the case then your God is NOT al powerful and becomes totally worthless.

Also you failed to address my first point about free will being in direct conflict with the word *free*
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#178349 Sep 24, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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How can morality predate God?
The human species has been o this planet for some 200,000 years. Your God thing only decided to present himself to us a mer 2,000 yeas ago. That means that for 198,000 yeas mankind has found a way to decide what morality they would embrace. Remember each segment decides their own morality. Seems certain that mankind would have become extinct if they simply ran around murdering and raping at will.

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