Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Dave Nelson wrote:
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Punkin, so I was right about your age. More than you were. I'm more right about a lot of things than you are. My paying attention to things trumps your memory and typos. And I'm a dried up senile flabby old man. Look what you have to look forward to.
I didn't develop anything resembling a religious belief until I got on this forum less than 3 years ago. Your atheism is not the atheism of intellectuals when I was your age. You are too parochial, scripted, and ideological about it. Read indoctrinated disaffected personality.
My son is your age. I was an atheist long before he was born. He is an exceptionally intelligent man. I never took him to church, but he wound up with some sort of religion. But he doesn't have the emotional issues you do, either.
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LCNLin wrote:
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straw-man his favorite fallacy?
idiot with no proof of god, pushing his failed creationist cult online for $0.00001 per troll.

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Does my disappointment in not being loved by Topix atheist mental cases show?
Golly, I thought I had it hidden real good.
It isn't up to me to prove one exists to anyone but me, lovey.
Are you trying to prove one doesn't exist? You are doing a lousy job if so.
It's your ass, not mine.
You're a bitter creationist idiot who wants attention.

Problem is you don't even understand atheism so anything that comes out of your mouth is just wasteful garbage.

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I have always been right about my age and I have admitted to a typo, get over it.
You self delusion and davesworld antic pants have no baring on my memory but you are free to delusion yourself as much as your emotional outbursts can stand
I don’t care what or where you developed you godbit make believe. And you have no idea of my intellectual understanding of atheism, that my deal little fool is the whole concept of atheism that the godbot will never understand, it is not the structured religion of godbotism but it is the individual understanding of individuals.
Intelligent man? Obviously does not take after you then? Are you sure you are the father? It is said that DNA testing is showing considerably less genetic link between the claimed father and the child than was supposed. Was you wife a naught girl?
What emotional issues, you keep guessing based on you own projection but you never – ever offer any substantiation of your outlandish comments.
I'm frankly surprised that your keyboard hasn't got up off its desk and said:

"F*ck this stupid creationist's fingers on my back every day. I will not be a tool aiding the broadcast of such ignorance."
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LCNLin wrote:
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straw-man his favorite fallacy?
I don't think you possess the intelligence level to understand the meaning of a "straw-man. Prove me wrong!!!!

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Wrong, I simply do not agree with most of your davesworld BS and tell you so. Therefore, you feel an emotional need to interpret that as ranting, it’s really just a sign of immaturity.
Your fascinations and perversions are best kept to yourself.
Still no examples eh? All you have is opinion and are to sh|t scared to admit it? Please be good enough to grow a set of balls and show me where those typos are? So what you are saying that you believe you are at last and suddenly eliciting an emotional response? A response that you have been harping on about for months. It seems that what you are saying is that you have been lying in the hope of grabbing extras spite points to add to your god fund.
How pathetic… I really have no tolerance for liars and liars for their god are the lowest of the low.
"You self delusion and davesworld antic pants have no baring on my memory but you are free to delusion yourself as much as your emotional outbursts can stand"

You really want to show your ass. And you do. You also left out a comma and a period in that sentence. You also started it off wrong. Should have been "Your" instead of "you".

"I don’t care what or where you developed you godbit make believe. And you have no idea of my intellectual understanding of atheism, that my deal little fool is the whole concept of atheism that the godbot will never understand, it is not the structured religion of godbotism but it is the individual understanding of individuals."

Again, you instead of your preceding godbit, which should have been your usual godbot.

My "deal little fool"?

Missing comma. Two, actually.

"Intelligent man? Obviously does not take after you then? Are you sure you are the father? It is said that DNA testing is showing considerably less genetic link between the claimed father and the child than was supposed. Was you wife a naught girl?"

She could be quite a "naughty" girl. But he is mine.

"What emotional issues, you keep guessing based on you own projection but you never – ever offer any substantiation of your outlandish comments."

Is that one or two sentences? Plus missing a comma.

"Your deliberate ignorance certainly does show"

Missed your period?

"You don’t seem you understand the concept of debate, you make the claim that a mythical entity exists, it is therefore up you to substantiate that claim, or shut up about it"

? You missed a second period?

"Not me trying to prove anything, Einstrien did a pretty good job of that with E=MC^2"

Uh oh. You missed three periods. Oh, you also disrespected your god, there.

"Why do you have a fascination with my ass?"

Because you have it in everyone's face.

Fumble fingers and scattered brains. But you got a fine ass.

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On the contrary... there are people who say that they are atheists who have decided to have a building that they call a church. That does not make atheism a religion, that means that the people who are wanting to have an atheist church have ignored the definition of religion and decided to do whatever it is that they want to do. No different than christian's making up their own rules, and branching off from Catholic, to church of christ, to baptist. The problem is that the definition of religion is completely contradictory to the definition of Atheism so anyone who tries to say that atheism is a religion is being clearly dishonest.
My answer is and has been, it is case by case. I honestly don't get why you'd want to have this disagreement with me. In the case of the Atheist I read here. They are a religious group, with fundamentalist traits. If you read there post, I am amazed you don't see it. atheist with no religious faith wouldn't see any need to compete with other's idea. If you too frequently ponder The Universe kick started on it's own with no intelligent design you have a belief. Without gathering or conversation about your belief, you are a non-religious person. More so, if you could not label your belief, and you did not care to start gatherings or discussions about it, or one better, you were against having your belief labeled. Mr Dawkins himself find the claims of these bloggers here wrong. And I don't think he says that for others to have a Tax exemption.

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Aura Mytha wrote:
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All the law is saying (US LAW) is that atheism if declared deserves the same protection under the constitution, that religion does. Therefore freedom of religion is also freedom from religion.
All this was brought up because an atheist in prison wanted to form a study group, but was denied. What the law did , was say an atheist has the right to go to the prison library on Sunday, instead of church. If you can call "study" a religion then atheist prisoners won the right to in court.
I have read the judges' comments on that case. They were rather interesting.

The gist of the comments was that, in order to ensue **equal** application of the law, then non-belief must also be included under the "religion" umbrella.

It was the opinion of the judges that the law **must** be applied equally, or else stricken from the books, and the only way to do that, is to treat atheism as a kind of "religion", for the **purpose** of **equal** treatment under the law.

A legal fiction-- something our legal system does all the time.

The easiest example is "corporation"--- it's a legal fiction to pretend the company is a "corpus" or body-- it's not, of course, it's a collection of things/people/assets/etc.

But it's useful under the law to pretend a corporation is a person.

A legal fiction.

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albtraum wrote:
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Or phrenology;0)
Indeed.... or celestial spheres?

LOL!

... wait, there's more idiocy:

power crystals
crystal healing
crystal seeing
pyramid power
ley lines
ouija boards
out-of-body projection
far seeing
...

... and last but not least? Goat staring.

<LMAO>

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RayOne wrote:
The atheists feel left out of getting fair time. They should worship their own way on their own day. The Devil is dancing with the prospect.
Why is it, you True Believers™ give all the **real** power to your favorite anti-gods?

Hmmm?

You are most amusing.

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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I have read the judges' comments on that case. They were rather interesting.
The gist of the comments was that, in order to ensue **equal** application of the law, then non-belief must also be included under the "religion" umbrella.
It was the opinion of the judges that the law **must** be applied equally, or else stricken from the books, and the only way to do that, is to treat atheism as a kind of "religion", for the **purpose** of **equal** treatment under the law.
A legal fiction-- something our legal system does all the time.
The easiest example is "corporation"--- it's a legal fiction to pretend the company is a "corpus" or body-- it's not, of course, it's a collection of things/people/assets/etc.
But it's useful under the law to pretend a corporation is a person.
A legal fiction.
Exactly, but what it was really saying is that a non religious person has the rights a religious person does to form a group. The only way to justify a simple basic human right was to cover non belief under the same law as belief.

This is much the same way cocaine was included under the narcotics laws already in place, but we know cocaine isn't a narcotic, it was easy to define it a narcotic under existing law.
Another legal maneuvering or as you said legal fiction to cover something under existing laws.

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River Tam wrote:
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It's not his fault. He was obviously taught that Teh GOD created the Universe. Teh GOD said, "POOF" and there it was. During the first Super Nova Teh GOD said, "Hey, what just happened to my star?"
Teh GOD said, "Oh yeah, I work in mysterious ways".
BOOM goes the next star and Teh GOD says, "See?"
Secretly Teh GOD calls a board meeting.
"Jesus, why the hell are all of my stars exploding?"
Jesus says, meekly, "I think it's the hydrogen, Father, I mean Me. We didn't factor in the fission".
Teh GOD says, "Fishin? You mean if I had just given Adam a fishin pole everything would be OK?"
I love how you wrote their GOD in the same image as his creators/worshipers.

LOL!

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Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Exactly, but what it was really saying is that a non religious person has the rights a religious person does to form a group. The only way to justify a simple basic human right was to cover non belief under the same law as belief.

This is much the same way cocaine was included under the narcotics laws already in place, but we know cocaine isn't a narcotic, it was easy to define it a narcotic under existing law.
Another legal maneuvering or as you said legal fiction to cover something under existing laws.
Exactly-- either the prison officials had to eliminate all groups, or else they had to include non-religious people too.

The law must be blind with respect to religion/no-religion, or else it is unjust.

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Where did you get the comically from?
I find it comical when people think they are getting to someone when in all actuality they have no point. Dave here thinks he has some sort of special powers. I personally think he's bipolar. One minute he can't stop talking about death and hell, and the next minute he's talking about loving woman's asses. However, you're right... he in general is not funny at all, he's actually quite depressing.
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My answer is and has been, it is case by case. I honestly don't get why you'd want to have this disagreement with me. In the case of the Atheist I read here. They are a religious group, with fundamentalist traits. If you read there post, I am amazed you don't see it. atheist with no religious faith wouldn't see any need to compete with other's idea. If you too frequently ponder The Universe kick started on it's own with no intelligent design you have a belief. Without gathering or conversation about your belief, you are a non-religious person. More so, if you could not label your belief, and you did not care to start gatherings or discussions about it, or one better, you were against having your belief labeled. Mr Dawkins himself find the claims of these bloggers here wrong. And I don't think he says that for others to have a Tax exemption.
learn some real science so you wont look so ignorant

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My answer is and has been, it is case by case. I honestly don't get why you'd want to have this disagreement with me. In the case of the Atheist I read here. They are a religious group, with fundamentalist traits. If you read there post, I am amazed you don't see it. atheist with no religious faith wouldn't see any need to compete with other's idea. If you too frequently ponder The Universe kick started on it's own with no intelligent design you have a belief. Without gathering or conversation about your belief, you are a non-religious person. More so, if you could not label your belief, and you did not care to start gatherings or discussions about it, or one better, you were against having your belief labeled. Mr Dawkins himself find the claims of these bloggers here wrong. And I don't think he says that for others to have a Tax exemption.
I have no choice, but to disagree with you. I am an atheist. I do not believe in a god, but if science ever gives me a shred of evidence that would say otherwise then I would gladly agree with you. However, there are too many different ideas on creation, and I will not lie and say that I know for sure which one is fact. I do not believe in a super power or higher power (deity) so therefore by definition I do not have a "religion". I do not have a need to attend an atheist "church" because I do not need a building to discuss anything that has to do with my thoughts on creation. Anytime you have a different idea than someone else then technically you are competing with the other persons idea because you both think that you are correct at the basis of the conversation that may be happening.

I don't see anything wrong with someone wanting to discuss their beliefs. The biggest problem that I have is that the religious people on here want to push that word "belief" as though it is some sort of religious word. I have no reason to believe that science has got the correct theory as to how the earth was created so far. Science has yet to fail us in any important endeavor to date. I disagree with many things in the bible, and I can't stand for someone to say that it is the correct book written by the correct god because that is a false statement and also one that cannot be proven. I also do not understand the need for religious people to come on here and talk about Richard Dawkins as though he is some sort of end all be all of atheism. He is not the "leader" of atheists... he is simply someone who speaks his mind in a very public and brash manner. This does not however mean that every atheist agrees with everything he says. He is just another person in this world who is attempting to get people to think instead of follow what everyone else says.
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christINSANITY is EVIL wrote:
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learn some real science so you wont look so ignorant
http://youtu.be/hd-076rsC68
thanks for posting that... nice presentation....

(funny how everything works out without supernatural beings)
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I_see_you wrote:
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I find it comical when people think they are getting to someone when in all actuality they have no point. Dave here thinks he has some sort of special powers. I personally think he's bipolar. One minute he can't stop talking about death and hell, and the next minute he's talking about loving woman's asses. However, you're right... he in general is not funny at all, he's actually quite depressing.
Personally I think the better word to describe him would be pathetic.

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*I have no reason not to believe that science has got the correct theory as to how the earth was created so far.

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blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Personally I think the better word to describe him would be pathetic.
You're right... he really is.

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