Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177189 Sep 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Is anything in the above provable or an actual... argument?
No?
Interesting.
The only thing that has been provable in this tread is your third grade reading comprehension if that. I would love to see how much spell check saves you. After noting your failed reading comprehension I should expect something as stupid as "Religion has never had any interest in science."

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#177190 Sep 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I can be a lot less vague if you allow some mathematics.
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huh? there were no walls.
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This shows a complete lack of understanding of what the Big Bang model says. There is no 'leading edge'. The expansion literally happens throughout space. There is no 'core'. All points of space 'look' the same.
Your l;ack of understanding of what the model says makes your further comments meaningless. They are based on a faulty understanding of the physics.
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No core.
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Nope, no single 'object' that grew.
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The singularity is not a particle. Your lack of understanding of what modern physics says is the issue.
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It *is* based on known physics. In particular, it is based on general relativity, which is the modern description of gravity.
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As supported by the data.
" It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across."

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.h...

That's NASA, not Polymath.

So how did you get from a volume of millimeters to billions of light years in a flash without a leading edge? Other than magic.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177191 Sep 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The above video is not in any way, shape or form, an argument.
Nor does it support you in any way. Naturally.
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That is so YOU! At least you admit it when you are being an azzhole.
That was Stephen Hawkins, did you catch the last paragraph. What's up stupid. You could deny forever

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177192 Sep 12, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The video is bullshit.
It's very first point? Wrong-- it's the same bullshit "you cannot create something from nothing" non-argument.
The Big Bang does not **claim** "something from nothing".
That is a strawman religious bullshit ploy-- and it IGNORES a fatal flaw:
From whence came their god, if you cannot make something from nothing?
If they can excuse their god as "always was" then so can we-- the universe always was in one shape or another.
The video it bullshit-- just like you.
Stephen "The World's Smartest Man" Hawking, in your face loser. Now give me your duh duh duh response denier.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177193 Sep 12, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
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similar to the rest of your posts?
You and Bob are a funny team!
Not nearly as funny as the team that believes in talking snakes, magic fruit trees, life from a pile of dirt, and who worship a genocidal maniac. WTF is wrong with you people anyway!!!!!

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177194 Sep 12, 2013
every game wrote:
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Thanks for showing us all how ugly and childish an atheist can be.
It does make the victory so much sweeter. Little Red Bobbing Hood could not take my word for it, that Mr Hawking, and I admit at first I did spell his name wrong. Admitted that it could not be proven god does not exist. Babbling Bob is so stupid even after Cambridge's highest professor, the keeper of The Chair, has set him straight. He says "that's not proof." What a dolt.

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#177195 Sep 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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" It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across."
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.h...
That's NASA, not Polymath.
So how did you get from a volume of millimeters to billions of light years in a flash without a leading edge? Other than magic.
Every single day.

Is another opportunity to embarass themselves and their failed 2005 cult.

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#177196 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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It does make the victory so much sweeter. Little Red Bobbing Hood could not take my word for it, that Mr Hawking, and I admit at first I did spell his name wrong. Admitted that it could not be proven god does not exist. Babbling Bob is so stupid even after Cambridge's highest professor, the keeper of The Chair, has set him straight. He says "that's not proof." What a dolt.
You'll look less stupid and arrogant after you've proven the god you're here to lie to us about.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177197 Sep 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There are many mistakes in this short video. The first is when it claims that nothing can come from nothing. This is known to be false becaus3e of quantum mechanics: it is actually quite common for particl3es to be formed out of exactly nothing.
The second is the claim that there must have been something before the universe because the universe had a beginning. That is false because time itself began with the universe. Without time, there could be no 'before'.
The third problem is that the video incorrectly describes the first law of thermodynamics. Instead of claiming that energy is eternal, it merely says that the total energy at one time has to be the same as the total energy at any other time. In other words, energy and time are co-existent.
In particular, if time had a beginning, that beginning was the same as the beginning of energy and the universe.
Further, the law of conservation of energy says that the total energy balance *of the universe* is constant. In particular, any energy transfer *into* the universe would be a violation of that law. Your video proposes just such a transfer, so it is in direct contradiction to the very law it claims as support.
Finally, it claims that anyone who does not agree with the failed argument is just being stubborn, instead of actually being interested in the *correct* applications of the known laws of physics. Since it gets so many particulars wrong in ways that directly affect the argument, this is simply rank dishonesty.
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Church lady was wonderful!
No dice home slice that was Stephen Hawking, enough said.

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#177198 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Stephen "The World's Smartest Man" Hawking, in your face loser. Now give me your duh duh duh response denier.
This comes from a cowardly creationist who denies fossils.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177199 Sep 12, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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This comes from a cowardly creationist who denies fossils.
Mr Hawking nor myself denies evolution. I do disagree with some details others have, that THEY CAN'T PROVE. The monkey in the middle. If we came from a tree primate. 1. Our feet would be much different then they are. 2. We would be so much more stronger and faster. We'd be able to beat the 50 pound monkey that could rip us to shreds. You are a fool for trying to put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head. As Orwell claimed you would, worm meat.

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#177200 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Mr Hawking nor myself denies evolution. I do disagree with some details others have, that THEY CAN'T PROVE. The monkey in the middle. If we came from a tree primate. 1. Our feet would be much different then they are. 2. We would be so much more stronger and faster. We'd be able to beat the 50 pound monkey that could rip us to shreds. You are a fool for trying to put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head. As Orwell claimed you would, worm meat.
idiot theist who denies the fact of evolution.

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#177201 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Mr Hawking nor myself denies evolution. I do disagree with some details others have, that THEY CAN'T PROVE. The monkey in the middle. If we came from a tree primate. 1. Our feet would be much different then they are. 2. We would be so much more stronger and faster. We'd be able to beat the 50 pound monkey that could rip us to shreds. You are a fool for trying to put words in my mouth or thoughts in my head. As Orwell claimed you would, worm meat.
dna evidence sh*ts on your cults erroneous opinion.

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#177202 Sep 12, 2013
http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/tech/innovation...

Voyager has left the premises.

Read about the plasma densities and magnetic fields and the carrying of the fields.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#177203 Sep 12, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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" It postulates that 12 to 14 billion years ago, the portion of the universe we can see today was only a few millimeters across."
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.h...
That's NASA, not Polymath.
So how did you get from a volume of millimeters to billions of light years in a flash without a leading edge? Other than magic.
The portion of the universe *we can see today*. There is more to the universe than what we can see today. The region we can see today was millimeters across at that point. The whole universe was larger.

There was no leading edge because every place in the universe looks the same at any given time. This is fundamental in the model.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#177204 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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No dice home slice that was Stephen Hawking, enough said.
And he was right. The universe (meaning the current expansion phase) had a beginning. That beginning was also when time began. So there was no 'time before the Big Bang'. Check to see what Hawking said in more detail.

“Think&Care”

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#177205 Sep 12, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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That was Stephen Hawkins, did you catch the last paragraph. What's up stupid. You could deny forever
Did you notice that Hawking is an atheist? He would not agree with the reasoning in that video.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#177206 Sep 12, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Did you notice that Hawking is an atheist? He would not agree with the reasoning in that video.
I do agree he is, even though he side steps the question. That is what makes that video a slam dunk. The Hawking debate will all ways be there, was he an atheist, or was he keeping his sponsors happy? I off course will take the man for his word.

The debate on Christian creationism vs Atheism and God and evolution vs Atheism is two different animals. The bloggers here are left behind.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177207 Sep 12, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Hate speech, noted...and reported.
Please. Do.

Funny-- I have **never** got any kind of notice; from what I've read about Topix, if a post **is** reported?

The author gets a notice...

... interesting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177208 Sep 12, 2013
every game wrote:
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I knew my post had the power to anger you. It's so easy.
Nope-- I am **laughing** at you every day.

You are **that** ludicrous.

Even your Jewsus(jesus)(were he real) would be **laughing** at your hateful efforts.

Seriously.

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