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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176988 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>
It turns out that the word atheism means much less than I had thought. It is merely the lack of theism.
Basic atheism is not a belief. It is the lack of belief. There is a difference between believing there is no god and not believing there is a god--both are atheistic, though popular usage has ignored the latter.
[Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist, p. 99.
Freedom From Religion Foundation, 1992.]
The word "atheism," however, has in this contention to be construed unusally. Whereas nowadays the usual meaning of "atheist" in English is "someone who asserts there is no such being as God," I want the word to be understood not positively but negatively. I want the originally Greek prefix "a" to be read in the same way in "atheist" as it customarily is read in such other Greco-English words as "amoral," "atypical," and "asymmetrical." In this interpretation an atheist becomes: someone who is simply not a theist. Let us, for future ready reference, introduce the labels "positive atheist" for the former and "negative atheist" for the latter.
[Antony G.N. Flew and Paul Edwards, God, Freedom, and Immortality p. 14.
Prometheus, 1984.]
If you look up "atheism" in the dictionary, you will probably find it defined as the belief that there is no God. Certainly many people understand atheism in this way. Yet many atheists do not, and this is not what the term means if one considers it from the point of view of its Greek roots. In Greek "a" means "without" or "not" and "theos" means "god." From this standpoint an atheist would simply be someone without a belief in God, not necessarily someone who believes that God does not exist. According to its Greek roots, then, atheism is a negative view, characterized by the absence of belief in God.
NOW, you can consider yourself fully educated on the meaning of ATHEIST........No, no, don't thank me, glad I could help.
Yes, thank you, you put it into words. Now reread what you wrote after considering this statement. Which has been a grand part of my point here, perhaps not in regards to post directed at you, therefore it is fair to assume, you may not have read them.

The statement is. For purposes of seperstaion atheist are those without belief, Atheist are those with. "An atheist does not have to take part in Atheism. With limits an atheist could take part in Atheism, however there does come a point where partaking in Atheism, and atheist does become an Atheist."

Atheism is when atheist or Atheist come into society and request or demand changes, that are in accordance with their believe. As of the day I am posting this, The American Court system does respect Atheism as a religion. That is a fact. I do respect your disagreement with this fact, however I have no voice in the topic. If I did I would favor the Faith having Atheist, as part of America's Freedom of Religion.

You fail to see my main problem with Atheism is 20th and 21st century "modern societies" have had Atheistic leaning. Which goes beyond me how and atheist or Atheist could dispute this fact. Societies (plural) that do not permit freedom of religion, and freedom of choice that could be heading towards Freedom of Religion. Therefore I would encourage anyone. Not to drink the Atheist koolaid. By all means please spare me the details of the 1st to 20th century. From the eras of about 500bc to 1700, in the life of an average woman she would be raped. The average man would kill someone. These were violent days. The fact churches did as they did, was just part of the neighborhood. I understand a higher standard was expected, but that's just history.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176989 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm aware of what they are and how they operate.
There are two types of atheists on here. Those that bought their intelligence, either in a CrackerJack box or institution that poured it into their skulls for them, and those with some serious neural network wiring issues primarily caused by ingesting too many deleterious chemicals in their adolescence, hence the stunted of further development. Some are both.
I learned very quickly after getting on on here almost 3 years ago that there would be no rational and intellectual interaction with them. However, I have become somewhat addicted to poking them with sticks. Gives me something to do and them a purpose in life. They enjoy the nerve stimulation, it sends a jolt of electricity into their brains that they wouldn't otherwise experience. Unfortunately it just passes on into the environment as they have no means to store it and put it too use.
Plus I like the shape of Christine's ass.
On their own they are a small and ineffectual group of people on the global scale, but they make great object lessons on the dangers of enabling idiots through education and mass communications.
I think it was Jon Stewart that said "The internet is a convention of the crazy uncles that live in the attics." I am stunned at how much the education level of blogging atheist have dropped. It's like watching The New York Yankees have a 110 loss season, and listening to people that have forgotten what they were. My guess is they just see arguments they know they have then jump on them. Those atheist recognize this tread is not for them. I came here because I did see the topic is an atheist snake pit. As you may notice only the less intelligent wander into a snake pit. Wiser animals run the other way.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176990 Sep 10, 2013
EdSed wrote:
Religion = superstition
Get over it
True, but I consider "Don't walk under the ladder." to be good advice. I could go on, but you should get my point.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#176991 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not sure I know were to start with this moronic article. He spews the same tired old bullshit as he tries to trash one of the smartest men on the planet. It all boils down to his preconceived notion that some agent is responsible for the creation of the universe. To begin any discourse with a predetermined claim is totally pointless. He criticizes Hawking for speculating that there are life forms on other planets because he has no evidence. This for a person who believes an invisible sky daddy created all there is WITHOUT any evidence, a total hypocrite. One of his "proofs" is that God revealed himself through Jesus Christ, a figure that many doubt ever existence. he continues with a universe that appears to have been designed. Designed for what or whom, certainly not humans. Inhospitable to human life, flooded with radiation, distances so vast they are unmeasurable, suns exploding and wiping out entire solar systems, galaxies colliding and destroying each other, back hole swallowing entire star systems, some design. As it is we live here on Earth on climatic knife edge, much of it to hot or cold without protection. There is NOWHERE outside of earth that mankind can survive, so it appears there was no design.
Stephen Hawking "Does the universe need a grand designer, the cosmic laws such as gravity. the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason that there is something rather than nothing, that is why the universe exists and we exist, It is not necessary to evoke a God tom light a match and set the universe going."
And then is does in the end come down to.....how created the creator? Special pleading usually rears its ugly head about this time.
The article is written by a Theists who already has a preconceived notion, it's not a very honest or intelligent way to try and refute someones ideas. Giant FAIL!!!!!
I did not read the entire article as I was merely looking for one that disproved your claim that, "not one scientist has ever claimed the universe was created from nothing", which I did, twice.

I didn't know that there was religious references further down the page. Those were irrelevant to my point anyway.

Now address the other link, you know, the one where Krauss also claims the universe came from nothing.

>:)

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#176992 Sep 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was Jon Stewart that said "The internet is a convention of the crazy uncles that live in the attics." I am stunned at how much the education level of blogging atheist have dropped. It's like watching The New York Yankees have a 110 loss season, and listening to people that have forgotten what they were. My guess is they just see arguments they know they have then jump on them. Those atheist recognize this tread is not for them. I came here because I did see the topic is an atheist snake pit. As you may notice only the less intelligent wander into a snake pit. Wiser animals run the other way.
Snake eaters might find a snake pit interesting.

Topix atheists are diseases looking for something weak to infect. The body human has a defense mechanism, though. It eats them, digests them, and shits them out. Might get a little tummy ache, but it will feel better later.

“Jon Snow”

Since: Dec 10

The King in the Nor±h

#176993 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
She's a bigot.
My Neanderthal ancestors were making superglue before her scientists did.
LOL Is that how they put you back together? After you fell off the wall? roflmao
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#176994 Sep 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it was Jon Stewart that said "The internet is a convention of the crazy uncles that live in the attics." I am stunned at how much the education level of blogging atheist have dropped. It's like watching The New York Yankees have a 110 loss season, and listening to people that have forgotten what they were. My guess is they just see arguments they know they have then jump on them. Those atheist recognize this tread is not for them. I came here because I did see the topic is an atheist snake pit. As you may notice only the less intelligent wander into a snake pit. Wiser animals run the other way.
Says the Theist who believes in talking snakes,magic fruit tree's, a man created from a pile of dirt, of course the process required a fictitious being to blow on it, a books that supports slavery, rape, infanticide and genocide, and claims the world is flat covered with a dome, and believes that 4.5 billion cubic miles of extra wither suddenly appeared and the disappeared. And you talk about a drop in educate levels, ha ha ha, Maybe you should be talking about the stunning increase in gullibility that runs rampart through Christianity.

I suppose we could also examine the intelligence level of people who believe in myths and magic and center their lives around such myths. There are three very important traits that promote intelligence, education, reason, logic, critical thinking and skepticism. You seem to missing at least three of these traits, reason, logic, and skepticism. Which means.....well I think we know what that means, right!!!!!

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#176995 Sep 10, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL Is that how they put you back together? After you fell off the wall? roflmao
Dave is an old man.

I just disabled the Ubuntu Firefox modifications which seems to have an effect on Java. So far is working. Thanks for the tip.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#176996 Sep 10, 2013
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles...

Interesting article about Neanderthals.

Ah, looking back in time through the lens of what you were trained to look through. How it simplifies your mind and can lead to wrong conclusions.

Neanderthals, homo sapiens. Both men. Both going about their lives and thinking their thoughts about how to survive and what was about them, and even why they are here in the first place. Burial practices reflect the latter.

The only difference between you and a early human is the TV set you watched. The very same emotions, family and socail relationships, and everything else we have in the personality and living experience today. Just a different decor and logic system based on technology. And the illusion we are somehow more intelligent.

You had the same family issues you have today. Getting food for the baby, teenagers, and the neighbors.

But they did have a lot less distractions from thinking. Flipping those channels looking for something entertaining makes you miss a lot of life, and the understanding of it.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176997 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Snake eaters might find a snake pit interesting.
Topix atheists are diseases looking for something weak to infect. The body human has a defense mechanism, though. It eats them, digests them, and shits them out. Might get a little tummy ache, but it will feel better later.
Not true, a mongoose in a snake pit is unlikely to win.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#176998 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Says the Theist who believes in talking snakes,magic fruit tree's, a man created from a pile of dirt, of course the process required a fictitious being to blow on it, a books that supports slavery, rape, infanticide and genocide, and claims the world is flat covered with a dome, and believes that 4.5 billion cubic miles of extra wither suddenly appeared and the disappeared. And you talk about a drop in educate levels, ha ha ha, Maybe you should be talking about the stunning increase in gullibility that runs rampart through Christianity.
I suppose we could also examine the intelligence level of people who believe in myths and magic and center their lives around such myths. There are three very important traits that promote intelligence, education, reason, logic, critical thinking and skepticism. You seem to missing at least three of these traits, reason, logic, and skepticism. Which means.....well I think we know what that means, right!!!!!
Nice outdated post. Perhaps you could find such a person that has such beliefs to respond to. Perhaps another message tread that host the claims that you claim are false. If I noticed such a tread I would keep going and not post there. When the internet was young I did participate in such conversations. It was then a 3 ways dispute between The Bible Thumper vs The Atheist vs (me) The New Ager. We all read a group of books and we had beliefs in their claims.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#176999 Sep 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true, a mongoose in a snake pit is unlikely to win.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-7-Snake-Ki...

Feeding on the edges reduces exposure.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177000 Sep 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, thank you, you put it into words. Now reread what you wrote after considering this statement. Which has been a grand part of my point here, perhaps not in regards to post directed at you, therefore it is fair to assume, you may not have read them.
The statement is. For purposes of seperstaion atheist are those without belief, Atheist are those with. "An atheist does not have to take part in Atheism. With limits an atheist could take part in Atheism, however there does come a point where partaking in Atheism, and atheist does become an Atheist."
Atheism is when atheist or Atheist come into society and request or demand changes, that are in accordance with their believe. As of the day I am posting this, The American Court system does respect Atheism as a religion. That is a fact. I do respect your disagreement with this fact, however I have no voice in the topic. If I did I would favor the Faith having Atheist, as part of America's Freedom of Religion.
You fail to see my main problem with Atheism is 20th and 21st century "modern societies" have had Atheistic leaning. Which goes beyond me how and atheist or Atheist could dispute this fact. Societies (plural) that do not permit freedom of religion, and freedom of choice that could be heading towards Freedom of Religion. Therefore I would encourage anyone. Not to drink the Atheist koolaid. By all means please spare me the details of the 1st to 20th century. From the eras of about 500bc to 1700, in the life of an average woman she would be raped. The average man would kill someone. These were violent days. The fact churches did as they did, was just part of the neighborhood. I understand a higher standard was expected, but that's just history.
A-moral......A-typical.......A -symmetrical.......A-theist... .......Sorry you're not smart enough to absorb this very simple word usage. Do try and do better!!!!
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177001 Sep 10, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice outdated post. Perhaps you could find such a person that has such beliefs to respond to. Perhaps another message tread that host the claims that you claim are false. If I noticed such a tread I would keep going and not post there. When the internet was young I did participate in such conversations. It was then a 3 ways dispute between The Bible Thumper vs The Atheist vs (me) The New Ager. We all read a group of books and we had beliefs in their claims.
Aww, I know how embarrassing it is to harbor these beliefs, call yourself whatever you want, but beneath the false front beats the heart of a Theists with a belief in mythical beings and magical places. I'd do my best to distance myself from these childish beliefs, just as you are trying to do. You can try and dress up a Christian, and call him a "new Ager" but he's still a Christian, with all the unsupported beliefs and phobias that accompany that immoral religion.
LCNLin

Brooksville, FL

#177002 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Aww, I know how embarrassing it is to harbor these beliefs, call yourself whatever you want, but beneath the false front beats the heart of a Theists with a belief in mythical beings and magical places. I'd do my best to distance myself from these childish beliefs, just as you are trying to do. You can try and dress up a Christian, and call him a "new Ager" but he's still a Christian, with all the unsupported beliefs and phobias that accompany that immoral religion.
bitter and defensive ;-)

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#177003 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>A-moral......A-typical .......A-symmetrical.......A-t heist..........Sorry you're not smart enough to absorb this very simple word usage. Do try and do better!!!!
Gee, you guys are just so fascinated by that term atheist. It's just a word, which you interpret incorrectly, but it means something to you. A magic decoder ring? A badge you can walk around with to impress people?

You guys are missing something important in your heads to be so absorbed in a word.

Hey, idiot is a synonym used extremely often with atheist nowadays. Can we call you an idiot?

Yeah.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177004 Sep 10, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>I did not read the entire article as I was merely looking for one that disproved your claim that, "not one scientist has ever claimed the universe was created from nothing", which I did, twice.
I didn't know that there was religious references further down the page. Those were irrelevant to my point anyway.
Now address the other link, you know, the one where Krauss also claims the universe came from nothing.
>:)
WOW, you really are pathetic. Your post #176923 read..."And for those NOT well read." And then you admit to NOT reading the entire article, can you be anymore dishonest and hypocritical!!!! I think not. Next time you try and flex your intellect muscles, or try and make a point using someone else's article, READ THE WHOLE THING DICKWAD, you'll appear much less.......stupid!!!

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#177005 Sep 10, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>WOW, you really are pathetic. Your post #176923 read..."And for those NOT well read." And then you admit to NOT reading the entire article, can you be anymore dishonest and hypocritical!!!! I think not. Next time you try and flex your intellect muscles, or try and make a point using someone else's article, READ THE WHOLE THING DICKWAD, you'll appear much less.......stupid!!!
I was in a hurry and someplace to be so I didn't read past the headline. I thought it was another article they had written earlier that didn't have religious content in it. I still showed you lied when you claimed no scientist ever said the universe came from nothing. Or are you really that uninformed about their wild claims?

You still aren't addressing the Krauss link, most obviously because you CAN'T! Moron. Why am I not surprised that you can neither support it OR refute it?

xD

Nobody can ever say that all atheists are geniuses after reading your 'tarded rants.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#177006 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, you guys are just so fascinated by that term atheist. It's just a word, which you interpret incorrectly, but it means something to you. A magic decoder ring? A badge you can walk around with to impress people?
You guys are missing something important in your heads to be so absorbed in a word.
Hey, idiot is a synonym used extremely often with atheist nowadays. Can we call you an idiot?
Yeah.
He's like a cornered 'possum; either playing dead or snarling with no middle ground to espouse from.

xD
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#177007 Sep 10, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Gee, you guys are just so fascinated by that term atheist. It's just a word, which you interpret incorrectly, but it means something to you. A magic decoder ring? A badge you can walk around with to impress people?
You guys are missing something important in your heads to be so absorbed in a word.
Hey, idiot is a synonym used extremely often with atheist nowadays. Can we call you an idiot?
Yeah.
It would appear that your old age dementia is getting much worse, your incessant babbling is becoming boring, so I think I'll stop responding to you just as I do with the Clown, see ya!!

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