Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

“Think&Care”

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#176036 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
http://freepages.genealogy.roo tsweb.ancestry.com/~heddins/Ad am-Eve-Desc.htm
Pure mythology. No connection to reality.

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#176037 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
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In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
Pure mythology. No connection to reality.

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#176038 Sep 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I really love this. Instead of admitting you can't prove how The Universe started. You claim The Universe has not started. I hope I am awake when it does.
If matter and energy have existed for all time, then the universe did not start. It has always been going. Is that so hard for you to understand?

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#176039 Sep 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =nZiROWO6iVsXX&feature=you tu.be
Above is a link to Dr M. Kaku deliver one of his latest THEORIES. For all that watch they will feel as it reinforces his or her beliefs in their faith. Please note that he never claims what he offers is the final answer. With each item he learns he has further THEORIES. In which he looks forward to attempting to prove. This is why Dr Kaku is on the top shelf, and the people that teach you to be close minded do what those that can't do. And that is teach. The highest level does not jump the gun.
And you notice that Kaku's positions are based on actual data. That is the difference between science and religion: science adjusts based on actual evidence and facts, while religion tells us to ignore the facts and maintain faith.
Atheist can not prove their claims because they do not have enough knowledge to claim proof that there was and is no creator. That day will never come. Especially if humanity is to become an atheist society. Which is a day that should be avoided, by all means.
Nobody has given any way of even defining the concept of a God to the extent it can be tested. Until a specific test can be given, it isn't even a question about reality: it is only a matter of opinion and imagination.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176040 Sep 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Wrong. The *mainstream* of science understands that quantum events are uncaused. The *mainstream* knows that quantum mechanics is a very good description of reality, but is an acausal theory: you do not get causality of specific events, but instead probabilities of those events happening. Further, these *are* the laws of science, so they definitely do not violate the laws of science. Finally, they are mathematical descriptions, so math does not disprove them.
In other words, you are wrong about ewvery single point of your post.
Poly, you don't seem to grasp that quantum physics is just a measuring system. That is why it acausal system you say it is.

Things just are, and this is how we measure it. That is quantum physics as you described.

OF COURSE YOU WON'T SEE ANY CAUSALITY.

You are stuck worshiping a measuring system instead of the causations of what you are measuring. This will also give rise to your belief in random generation because you aren't looking beyond the material you are measuring.

Question, is their design of some sort in those quantum actions that makes for coherent interactions of them? You can translate that to are there laws governing their actions.

Good God, man, you believe in these "virtual particles" appearing out of nowhere and not in a higher force or intelligence at work? There is a disconnect there in your logic of reality.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176041 Sep 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Dave, baby, neurons don't misfire and produce thought. Neurons fire properly and produce thought.
Unless of course the person in question is certifiably insane or has brain damage. Then neurons misfire all the time - and the thought that regular neurons are producing gets jumbled. So...no, once again.
Turn up the O2 and try again. Breathe deeply. Inhale, slowly. Exhale slowly. And again. And repeat. Ok, good.
Sweetie love, you have a few misfiring in your logic and understanding of what is being discussed.

I said if you are having a dream you are having coherent thoughts. Those "misfiring" neurons are doing so to make a movie.

The lady said she was dreaming while dying. Something triggered that dream process. That dream process is done in your higher "human" brain circuitry. If that level is not functioning, then a lower or deeper level is.

This is a program written into you to exit this existence. This could not have been written by the strictly materialistic evolution you proclaim. There is just not any damned reason for "nature" to give a shit about the pain and suffering you go through upon expiration. Your materialistic function is over. For such a program to be written and entered into the human genome some ancestor would have to survive the experience, have it written to their genes, and then passed on to their babies, and their descendants then became modern man.

There is no imperative for nature to put you to sleep before you physically die. Why would she care?

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#176042 Sep 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Pure mythology. No connection to reality.
LOL! Ancestry.com is a neutral site which does a type of historical investigation. Naturally someone like you who despises truth and clings to modern myth would reject these finding based on actual evidence! Actual investigation!

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#176043 Sep 1, 2013
Murgatroyd wrote:
Read that book.

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#176044 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Poly, you don't seem to grasp that quantum physics is just a measuring system. That is why it acausal system you say it is.
Things just are, and this is how we measure it. That is quantum physics as you described.
OF COURSE YOU WON'T SEE ANY CAUSALITY.
You are stuck worshiping a measuring system instead of the causations of what you are measuring. This will also give rise to your belief in random generation because you aren't looking beyond the material you are measuring.
Question, is their design of some sort in those quantum actions that makes for coherent interactions of them? You can translate that to are there laws governing their actions.
Good God, man, you believe in these "virtual particles" appearing out of nowhere and not in a higher force or intelligence at work? There is a disconnect there in your logic of reality.
When you're able to prove the god you're ranting about, you will be regarded with less suspicion and mistrust

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#176045 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> LOL! Ancestry.com is a neutral site which does a type of historical investigation. Naturally someone like you who despises truth and clings to modern myth would reject these finding based on actual evidence! Actual investigation!
When you're able to prove your the god of your creationist cult, you will look less stupid than everyone before you.
Denis

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#176046 Sep 1, 2013
appleboy wrote:
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I think you are right, mooze. Not much at all was really said. But I do have some thoughts on the subject.
Those who value science are people who have faith in verifiable data and observed results of experiments. Religion is something they judge on their own, regardless of what they were taught.
Those who value faith above science are people who have faith in parents, teachers and other authority figures who taught them their religion.
There are high and low IQs in both groups, though there is a greater tendency towards high IQs in the science related group.
The core value for each is faith: faith in data & observation; or faith in some trusted members of society.
This is what I do not understand atheists who most likey believe science which says there is some POWER, in the universe. Instead of saying power what holds you back to call Him God? God is a person who is the creator of everything.

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#176047 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> LOL! Ancestry.com is a neutral site which does a type of historical investigation. Naturally someone like you who despises truth and clings to modern myth would reject these finding based on actual evidence! Actual investigation!
Preposterous assertion, considering the bones of the hominids have no definition in this attempt to establish an ancestry without explaining them and the hundreds of thousands of years of men before the alleged Adam.

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#176048 Sep 1, 2013
I just clicked on to ancestry.com for the first time and entered information on my mother's side for free. The site brought up accurate information going back to the beginning of the 1900s in a matter of seconds. Actual recorded documents which goes back to the parents of my grandparents! In a matter of seconds! Damm impressive!

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#176049 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Preposterous assertion, considering the bones of the hominids have no definition in this attempt to establish an ancestry without explaining them and the hundreds of thousands of years of men before the alleged Adam.
Your not into an exact science. Subject to modern assumptions and interpretation.

“There is no god!”

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#176050 Sep 1, 2013
Murgatroyd wrote:
The christian post is spreading lies

“There is no god!”

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#176051 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> LOL! Ancestry.com is a neutral site which does a type of historical investigation. Naturally someone like you who despises truth and clings to modern myth would reject these finding based on actual evidence! Actual investigation!
No truth found in that mythology

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#176052 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Your not into an exact science. Subject to modern assumptions and interpretation.
Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176053 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
I just clicked on to ancestry.com for the first time and entered information on my mother's side for free. The site brought up accurate information going back to the beginning of the 1900s in a matter of seconds. Actual recorded documents which goes back to the parents of my grandparents! In a matter of seconds! Damm impressive!
I would love to check Quantum Bob's ancestry and see which hatchery he came from.

Then they can quarantine it.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176054 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.
You can not "definitively" measure. Those measurements you call that were based on relativity, with a heavy dose of presumptions thrown in.

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#176055 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
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Archeology isn't exact , but exacting enough that the bones speak for themselves.
When we can definitively measure the age of human bones to be 200,000 years old, we can effectively dismiss the idea of a 6,000 year lineage. That much is exact enough and not assumption like your assumption that you troglodyte science book trumps modern empirical science based on physical evidence. I find your belief to be at best laughable, and at worst ...you the subject of pity. For being so willfully ignorant to dismiss the evidence in front of your face, to cling to a proven tract of religious ignorance, that turns men into mindless morons with the beliefs born of ancient stupidity.
I just don't believe the ancients were all that stupid. I just watched a program regarding the building projects by the ancient Egyptians, for example. They still can't figure out how they did it all given their limited resources. All these written records is actual evidence far more reliable than bones and dating methods with built in assumptions which only a handful of people understand. The fact you rant and call others stupid only means your case is not all that strong because you would not have to resort to those sleaze tactics if they were. The fact remains, none of the ancients believed what the moderns do. Noah and the flood was actual history to them and you have multiple independent accounts! All the Kings of Europe can trace their ancestry back to Noah and they were all wrong and the moderns are the ones who know everything! Take it on down the road!

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