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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#176017 Aug 31, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You don't have a pull cord to start your universe with?
hahahah
Well... the godbots think we do.

They even named it "god"....

...

;)

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176018 Aug 31, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a 5 incher.
Your NDE experience. More details on it. I seem to remember you having a dream where you were in another place totally removed from what was actually occurring to you. Everything was symbolic. You are basing your belief on that dream. Recollection of the details of your thinking at the time would be nice. Were you aware you just died?
I was highly aware of just what happened in my case, and the immediate surroundings. That scene I was about to step into may have been a "dream" like this one I had woken up from.
If you are a material conscious only thinking being the death process is not going to be so nice adrifitng off into sweet dreams. You have the circuitry of your thought process breaking down piecemeal. Your higher thought and control will be overridden by the Klaxon horns set off by your lower level brain circuitry, the more autonomic ones. They MAY be what initiates those "dreams" with chemicals, but you have to consider there is no reason for nature to have developed such a clean way to go, and that those dreams do require a lot of organization to even occur. A few seconds of seeming coherency is an awful lot of structured EM resulting in "thought". Especially when the machine producing it is failing.
Oh yes, I remember that. You'll have to excuse me, the way you blather on and jumping from one subject to the other interspersed with your delusions of adequacy and self serving lies, makes you difficult to talk to.

Nothing you say is remotely important enough to backtrack and look up, so I'll give you a quick recap.

I had a dreamlike state that felt very real at the time. Neurons misfiring, physical sensations influencing the last vaguely coherent thoughts of an oxygen starved brain, etc., etc. Nothing was symbolic. When I woke up (when the brain began receiving a sufficient supply of oxygen again) I realized it was a dream, connected the dots and got busy with the business of living again. You, on the other hand still believe that your dream (hallucination)was real. Pity to be you.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176019 Aug 31, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Well... the godbots think we do.
They even named it "god"....
...
;)
Dayum, that was good!!! May I borrow it sometime?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176021 Sep 1, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny how these dolts think.

Like None of them could not exist if evolution wasn't true.
Wow, three negatives in ONE sentence!

Do you think, dolt?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#176022 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I found out..
http://www.pbr.com/en/specials/abr.aspx
That's him all right!

“Evil Atheist :-)”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#176023 Sep 1, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Your 3 BIG Myths:
1) the Big Bang when nothing exploded
and created everything.
For some strange reason theists are happy to believe an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity can just exist without explanation but the universe can't. That makes no sense.

Put simply, if the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?
Invoking a God solves nothing, If anything he's harder to explain.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
2) rain falling on rocks and settling in a mud puddle and spontaneous self generating life sprang forth.
Life's just chemistry.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
3) plants evolving into plant eating animals.
Plants evolved from single celled animals.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176024 Sep 1, 2013
Igor Trip wrote:
<quoted text>
For some strange reason theists are happy to believe an incredibly powerful and intelligent entity can just exist without explanation but the universe can't. That makes no sense.
Put simply, if the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?
Invoking a God solves nothing, If anything he's harder to explain.
<quoted text>
Life's just chemistry.
<quoted text>
Plants evolved from single celled animals.
In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)

Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#176025 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
Give it up you liars, you people are pathetic. You have thousands of years to produce even 1 atom of evidence, and you fail again and again.

You come here shouting at us why we don't believe you, when its you who are the lunatics that bother innocent people.

Just take your cult and do the honest thing which is f*ck off back into your cesspit of ignorance.

“Rising”

Since: Dec 10

Milky Way

#176026 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
Seems your Troglodyte tale, puts it back down to Earth.
Hard to dismiss the facts, none of which you will find in the cave mans science book off creation. So you hide your god in every niche you can think of, but cannot get it to walk amongst men, nor to present a garment of skin or anything else for that matter.
But we can get you to fantasize that the story is true, inventing in your mind ever increasingly complex reasons why it is so.
Rather than face the truth, that it wasn't really a lie, but an artful explanation by Troglodyte's. It was their story of creation , in the cave mans book of science. Written by those who had no idea what the truth really was. But invented one they could tell to set their children's minds at ease, come nightfall around the fire.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176027 Sep 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden.
21 The Lord God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them.
Seems your Troglodyte tale, puts it back down to Earth.
Hard to dismiss the facts, none of which you will find in the cave mans science book off creation. So you hide your god in every niche you can think of, but cannot get it to walk amongst men, nor to present a garment of skin or anything else for that matter.
But we can get you to fantasize that the story is true, inventing in your mind ever increasingly complex reasons why it is so.
Rather than face the truth, that it wasn't really a lie, but an artful explanation by Troglodyte's. It was their story of creation , in the cave mans book of science. Written by those who had no idea what the truth really was. But invented one they could tell to set their children's minds at ease, come nightfall around the fire.
One does have to vilify and assume the worst about the ancients in order to assume the moderns got it all right.(Even though they have been proven wrong time and time again.) With their modern myths about man as nothing more than soul less ape like creatures with big brains. No ancient precedent for any of that. It is just completely made up and assumed to be true and given the validation of Science. Any body who is skeptical is viewed as a Troglodyte and even worse. Well if their case is so strong why banishment tactics? Why the revulsion? Which is mostly emotional as opposed to rational. Can't compete? I read somewhere the kings of Europe could trace their ancestry back to the sons of Noah. Certainly Jesus did not treat Adam and Eve as myth. The Luke genealogy goes back to Adam the son of God. Josephus and Philo did not think Adam and Eve were myth figures. The moderns discredit themselves.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#176028 Sep 1, 2013

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#176029 Sep 1, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes, I remember that. You'll have to excuse me, the way you blather on and jumping from one subject to the other interspersed with your delusions of adequacy and self serving lies, makes you difficult to talk to.
Nothing you say is remotely important enough to backtrack and look up, so I'll give you a quick recap.
I had a dreamlike state that felt very real at the time. Neurons misfiring, physical sensations influencing the last vaguely coherent thoughts of an oxygen starved brain, etc., etc. Nothing was symbolic. When I woke up (when the brain began receiving a sufficient supply of oxygen again) I realized it was a dream, connected the dots and got busy with the business of living again. You, on the other hand still believe that your dream (hallucination)was real. Pity to be you.
Neurons misfiring in an order and synchronization capable of giving you thought.

You went to sleep instead of continuing to think with the higher brain functions. Your subconscious shut your human brain layer off.

But you were still alive. You didn't go to eternal sleep, just the sleep your subconscious puts you in every night.

Where and what were you doing when that occurred?

I went through two more shutdowns of consciousness levels of the human brain, and a wake up in another realm. I was injured in the wild and by surprise. Real time reaction to events. I was preparing, quite reluctantly, to transition into another life form and life until my body was disturbed and some blood started flowing again, making me a viable physical entity again. With some damage, and an insight I wouldn't have had otherwise. I fled my body because it hurt so damned bad. I started with a fully intact but dislocated consciousness that found itself looking around after going through a black tunnel with no lights, and then noticing something was wrong.

You sit there writing and poo poohing from an entirely subjective and limited experience, based upon what you have read, an outside looking in. I put the recollections back and have studied the processes from the inside out.

At some point in your experience things would have got a lot more serious about what was happening. You were easing into an exit. There is another door after that one.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#176030 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
No, uneducated one. You presuppose a deity - an imagined being - because of social, cultural, neurological, adaptive and historical reasons.

And you, thoughtless, with great and unending willful ignorance, believe that the above has some explanatory power.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176031 Sep 1, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>You are an idiot!
Mathematically proven debunked.
Violates the laws of science.
That position is not held in the mainstream.
Wrong. The *mainstream* of science understands that quantum events are uncaused. The *mainstream* knows that quantum mechanics is a very good description of reality, but is an acausal theory: you do not get causality of specific events, but instead probabilities of those events happening. Further, these *are* the laws of science, so they definitely do not violate the laws of science. Finally, they are mathematical descriptions, so math does not disprove them.

In other words, you are wrong about ewvery single point of your post.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#176032 Sep 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Neurons misfiring in an order and synchronization capable of giving you thought.
Dave, baby, neurons don't misfire and produce thought. Neurons fire properly and produce thought.

Unless of course the person in question is certifiably insane or has brain damage. Then neurons misfire all the time - and the thought that regular neurons are producing gets jumbled. So...no, once again.

Turn up the O2 and try again. Breathe deeply. Inhale, slowly. Exhale slowly. And again. And repeat. Ok, good.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176033 Sep 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh stop it Bob you know less than nothing about Quantum. It should be a sarcastic nickname like the fat boy called slim.
But I *do* know a bit about quantum mechanics and Bob is correct in what he stated. Quantum mechanics is an acausal theory: specific events are not caused. Instead, probabilities of events are determined mathematically from the laws of physics (i.e, quantum physics). Essentially every quantum event is uncaused.

“Exit Stage Right”

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#176034 Sep 1, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Einstein got this one right so I'll use his words.....
"Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose.
From the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know: that man is here for the sake of other men - above all for those whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends"
Just saying
http://www.christianpost.com/news/book-confir...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176035 Sep 1, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
That could be the most stupid post I ever read. But I'll treat it as a theory. A THEORY!!!!! Not proven. A THEORY!!!! OMG, it really is not worthy of being called that but, for the sake of argument. you can't prove that, therefore... be lucky I call it that. And that is a THEORY. theory.
Actually, it is one distinct possibility that is consistent with everything we know about the universe at this point. It is even a prediction of those theories that merge quantum mechanics and general relativity, such as string thoery and loop quantum gravity.

Do you care to give an alternative theory that incorporates both QM and GR? If so, please present it and we can discuss it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176036 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
http://freepages.genealogy.roo tsweb.ancestry.com/~heddins/Ad am-Eve-Desc.htm
Pure mythology. No connection to reality.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#176037 Sep 1, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text>
In the Beginning (Time)
God created the heavens (Space)
And the Earth (Matter)
Gen.1:1 presupposes God outside time space and matter.
Pure mythology. No connection to reality.

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