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Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175349 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
It only sounds that way to you.
Because 100% of what you post? Bullshyt.
And you **STILL** cannot refute my 3 proofs your god cannot exist:
Quantum mechanics proves beyond any doubts, that an omniscient god cannot exist within the present universe.
Period.
That proves to 100% that your god isn't real.
But it's worse: the theory of relativity--well tested-- also proves beyond any doubts that an omniscient god is impossible in the present universe.
That's two.
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle? That's 3 proofs you cannot have an all-knowing god in the universe.
That's three-- there's more.
You are also stuck on a loop with that screeching.

I refuted it very quickly with the waves can't exist without a container. You missed it or don't understand what you know. The latter sounds more likely.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175350 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Seeing that the evidence shows those who do not believe in a fictitious being are smarter than those who do believe, then it's understandable how we can have more free time and still make 6 figures.
Your post is a good example of the lesser intelligence believers have, as you have made an assertion without a shred of evidence.
I have a suggestion for you, put down that bible and pick up a science book. Try and cleanse your mind of the celestial dictator peering over your shoulder 24/7, and then maybe, just maybe, you to can have the freedom and leisure we Atheists so enjoy. Good Luck with loosing your horrid delusions.
Don't be claiming science comic books are fact, just because you believe it.
Don't be telling everyone your boyfriend is from Mars, when we all know he is from your home planet of Nimrod.
Don't be telling people you're intelligent, especially, when you're always looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "What a dumb ass looking moron".
You don't know your @ss from a hole in the ground! Of course anyone with any semblance of intelligence knows that!
And the list goes on and on ... but, unfortunately that mean ole Topix editor won't allow, "The Rest of the Story".
Now, have yourself a nice day in the land of the lost ... ya hear!?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175351 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
The above is in no way a valid counter-argument to Polymath's statements.
Fail.
I would not be surprised if you post as him and you, and another 2 or 3. As mentioned Atheist do invest a lot of time online. It is clear not only you are religious, you are fundamentalist.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175353 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
BINGO!!
I have posted about waking up in my death experience. This was after my physical consciousness, what we call our day to day thinking, had checked out and no viable way to continue had been presented. There was then an awakening in another dimension and consciousness, and a very strong desire to go back to sleep and dream again to escape it. Another existence was waiting for me as another type of being. I was looking at where I was to enter it. It didn't appeal to me. A very true and deep despair was experienced. I was enabled to return to this one. With some rewriting of events that had occurred.
Funny, Topix atheists base their non-belief on books they read, not on living experience.
My never ending question to Atheist, and one they never field to a satisfactory level is. Why spread it? There are religious groups I disagree with, but respect their reasons for attempting to spread their religion 1. The if you don't you suffer consequences. Not a big fan of, but I respect the efforts of believers of such religions 2. You are offering a very optimistic belief. Perhaps you truly see it as a handicap not having such a belief. The Atheist fall into neither of these two sorts. In fact, even if I believed as they do, I wouldn't want to spread the belief.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175354 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
So many of these quasi-understanders of Science don't understand the underpinnings of the logic. They just fall in love with the mystical sounding terms. Then they get sucked into cults.
There is zero proof or even any indications this universe could arise from nothingness and our assemblage from chance. There is hardcore scientific evidence and proof that our level of intelligence and manipulation of matter requires some organization to even be formed. There is also the scientific intellectual understanding that our perceptions of the universe and our construction is strictly a result of our limitations to observe that which it was formed in. We can't see outside the box we are in. Science itself claims to see that box, just not what created it.
The BBT and laws of thermodynamics prove we are a machine as we understand machines. Topix atheists believe we are magic beings of our own making.
Until you have an example of "nothingness" you have no idea that our universe could not arise from nothingness. Can you define nothingness? What are it's properties, can it be examined? So until you define nothingness and can test and examine it, any claims you make regarding it are worthless.

Complex chemicals forming life requires NO manipulation, its a natural process. There is NO hardcore scientific evidence that our intelligence was in any way "manipulated" Where do you get such insane ideas! There is also ZERO evidence that anything or anyone had anything to do with the creation of our universe. The intelligence that you bandy about here surely knows there are multiple theories as to how the universe came to be, and that it may have never been created but simply always was.

BTW, to Atheists worth his salt thinks that we a magical being of our own making. Now you're just being dishonest, or just plain silly. It appears that the Theist is the ones who believe we are magical beings, created by a mythical being who scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully form male human.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175355 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
So many of these quasi-understanders of Science don't understand the underpinnings of the logic. They just fall in love with the mystical sounding terms. Then they get sucked into cults.
There is zero proof or even any indications this universe could arise from nothingness and our assemblage from chance. There is hardcore scientific evidence and proof that our level of intelligence and manipulation of matter requires some organization to even be formed. There is also the scientific intellectual understanding that our perceptions of the universe and our construction is strictly a result of our limitations to observe that which it was formed in. We can't see outside the box we are in. Science itself claims to see that box, just not what created it.
The BBT and laws of thermodynamics prove we are a machine as we understand machines. Topix atheists believe we are magic beings of our own making.
Until you have an example of "nothingness" you have no idea that our universe could not arise from nothingness. Can you define nothingness? What are it's properties, can it be examined? So until you define nothingness and can test and examine it, any claims you make regarding it are worthless.

Complex chemicals forming life requires NO manipulation, its a natural process. There is NO hardcore scientific evidence that our intelligence was in any way "manipulated" Where do you get such insane ideas! There is also ZERO evidence that anything or anyone had anything to do with the creation of our universe. The intelligence that you bandy about here surely knows there are multiple theories as to how the universe came to be, and that it may have never been created but simply always was.

BTW, no Atheists worth his salt thinks that we are magical being of our own making. Now you're just being dishonest, or just plain silly. It appears that the Theist is the ones who believe we are magical beings, created by a mythical being who scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully formed male human.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175356 Aug 24, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Don't be claiming science comic books are fact, just because you believe it.
Don't be telling everyone your boyfriend is from Mars, when we all know he is from your home planet of Nimrod.
Don't be telling people you're intelligent, especially, when you're always looking at yourself in the mirror and saying, "What a dumb ass looking moron".
You don't know your @ss from a hole in the ground! Of course anyone with any semblance of intelligence knows that!
And the list goes on and on ... but, unfortunately that mean ole Topix editor won't allow, "The Rest of the Story".
Now, have yourself a nice day in the land of the lost ... ya hear!?
I don't carry on adult conversations with children, sorry!!!!

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175357 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Until you have an example of "nothingness" you have no idea that our universe could not arise from nothingness. Can you define nothingness? What are it's properties, can it be examined? So until you define nothingness and can test and examine it, any claims you make regarding it are worthless.
Complex chemicals forming life requires NO manipulation, its a natural process. There is NO hardcore scientific evidence that our intelligence was in any way "manipulated" Where do you get such insane ideas! There is also ZERO evidence that anything or anyone had anything to do with the creation of our universe. The intelligence that you bandy about here surely knows there are multiple theories as to how the universe came to be, and that it may have never been created but simply always was.
BTW, to Atheists worth his salt thinks that we a magical being of our own making. Now you're just being dishonest, or just plain silly. It appears that the Theist is the ones who believe we are magical beings, created by a mythical being who scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully form male human.
Blacklagoon you're from Boston, you are a fan of Atheism I see a trend here. Your post also.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175359 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Until you have an example of "nothingness" you have no idea that our universe could not arise from nothingness. Can you define nothingness? What are it's properties, can it be examined? So until you define nothingness and can test and examine it, any claims you make regarding it are worthless.
Complex chemicals forming life requires NO manipulation, its a natural process. There is NO hardcore scientific evidence that our intelligence was in any way "manipulated" Where do you get such insane ideas! There is also ZERO evidence that anything or anyone had anything to do with the creation of our universe. The intelligence that you bandy about here surely knows there are multiple theories as to how the universe came to be, and that it may have never been created but simply always was.
BTW, to Atheists worth his salt thinks that we a magical being of our own making. Now you're just being dishonest, or just plain silly. It appears that the Theist is the ones who believe we are magical beings, created by a mythical being who scooped up some dirt and blew on it and out popped a fully form male human.
You are confused about your beliefs and non-beliefs.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175360 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
BINGO!!
I have posted about waking up in my death experience. This was after my physical consciousness, what we call our day to day thinking, had checked out and no viable way to continue had been presented. There was then an awakening in another dimension and consciousness, and a very strong desire to go back to sleep and dream again to escape it. Another existence was waiting for me as another type of being. I was looking at where I was to enter it. It didn't appeal to me. A very true and deep despair was experienced. I was enabled to return to this one. With some rewriting of events that had occurred.
Funny, Topix atheists base their non-belief on books they read, not on living experience.
Your personal delusional experience is not proof of anything more than what happens to a dying brain. We are all aware of how real a dream can be and your experience I'm sure seemed real to you.

Atheists have no belief, and what we base our *lack of belief* on is not found solely in books, but through logic and reason, along with a healthy dose of skepticism. Why gullibility is not against the law I'll never know.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175361 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
My never ending question to Atheist, and one they never field to a satisfactory level is. Why spread it? There are religious groups I disagree with, but respect their reasons for attempting to spread their religion 1. The if you don't you suffer consequences. Not a big fan of, but I respect the efforts of believers of such religions 2. You are offering a very optimistic belief. Perhaps you truly see it as a handicap not having such a belief. The Atheist fall into neither of these two sorts. In fact, even if I believed as they do, I wouldn't want to spread the belief.
By constantly calling Atheism an belief, you demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge as to what constitutes Atheism. Education is a wonderful thing. Here, let me help you out.

1.) I believe in God.....Theist.

2.) Due to lack of evidence, I don't believe a God exits....Atheism.

Number one is a POSITIVE ASSERTION, "god exists."

Number two is a REJECTION of that assertion due to lack of evidence.

Religion, all religions are dangerous. They are dangerous to the individual, and dangerous to society. It teaches people to be satisfied with NOT understanding the world around them. It promotes divisiveness between peoples, to the point of physical violence resulting in death and misery. It has for centuries put up a wall against any scientific and medical advancements. Its foundation is based on ignorance, intolerance, and fear. It allows people to make life altering decisions based on delusions and things only imagined. Most Theists simply do not care that their beliefs are true, only that they feel good. Since our beliefs inform our actions, having beliefs that are not based in reality, is a danger to all. That is why many Atheist battle this plague on mankind. Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Neil Degrass Tyson, Victor Stegner, Daniel Dennet, and so many other scientists, bring this plight to the attention of those who treasure logic, reason, and skepticism.

I'm sorry those wonderful traits are so foreign to you. Do try and replace credulity, gullibility, and wish-thinking with logic reason and skepticism. The world will in fact open up to you!!!!!! Good luck with your new outlook on life!!!!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175362 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't carry on adult conversations with children, sorry!!!!
your admission of defeat is duly noted...

Bro. Clownie GRINNS and wins
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175363 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are confused about your beliefs and non-beliefs.
And you, extremely confused about what IS or ISN"T real!!

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175364 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>And you, extremely confused about what IS or ISN"T real!!
:-)

You are amusing, Loony.

Some may think you are a musician, but I find you an unintentional comedian.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175366 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Your personal delusional experience is not proof of anything more than what happens to a dying brain. We are all aware of how real a dream can be and your experience I'm sure seemed real to you.
Atheists have no belief, and what we base our *lack of belief* on is not found solely in books, but through logic and reason, along with a healthy dose of skepticism. Why gullibility is not against the law I'll never know.
Yep, it was a dying brain. It was looking smack dab at the giant hook in the sky pulling it off stage. Stone cold reality right there. Not an ounce of delusion.

And I didn't for one split second even consider "I" was going extinct. Just fired real sudden from this gig without another lined up. Oh, shit.

Read some books, Loony and then come back and tell me why I didn't consider death as you proclaim it. Surely you have a better perspective of life from reading those books than I had living and losing it.

You are so smart and knowledgeable. You might even get super smart for a brief instant when your time comes.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#175367 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>My never ending question to Atheist, and one they never field to a satisfactory level is. Why spread it? There are religious groups I disagree with, but respect their reasons for attempting to spread their religion 1. The if you don't you suffer consequences. Not a big fan of, but I respect the efforts of believers of such religions 2. You are offering a very optimistic belief. Perhaps you truly see it as a handicap not having such a belief. The Atheist fall into neither of these two sorts. In fact, even if I believed as they do, I wouldn't want to spread the belief.
Religion is something that causes a lot of damage to a lot of lives sometimes...personally I feel like if someone is going to follow a religion then they need to follow it on a personal level...I don't come here to try to make people become an atheist, but when I see people who are religious reacting in a negative way to people who don't believe then I feel the need to point out that, although your book says that you should spread your word, it does not say that you should call names and continuously argue over the subject. I was always taught that after spreading the word that my hands were clean and it was up to that person to make their decision...I was also taught that I was not supposed to keep the same company as non-believers. Both of those things came from the bible, yet almost every "christian" that comes to this site does not follow the those teachings. That is one of the reasons I don't follow christianity anymore.

Everyone wants to be respected...we don't have to respect each others beliefs, but we should respect each others right to make our own decisions on our faith or the lack there of.
xianity is EVIL

Wheatley, Canada

#175368 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep, it was a dying brain. It was looking smack dab at the giant hook in the sky pulling it off stage. Stone cold reality right there. Not an ounce of delusion.
stop BShyting yourself,,if your brain was dying you wouldnt be here,youd be Dead..
Thinking

Bridgetown, Barbados

#175369 Aug 24, 2013
Tranny Town Clunt has admitted to necrophiliac tendencies on this forum. He is a total sicko.
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>I don't carry on adult conversations with children, sorry!!!!

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#175370 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
No question we do, it should be embraced. To post as you have. You have no belief in Quantum physics, or you don't believe it. So be it.
Quantum physics isn't a belief, it is a statistical reality.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175371 Aug 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Tranny Town Clunt has admitted to necrophiliac tendencies on this forum. He is a total sicko.
<quoted text>
! Like I stated before ... you're a liar, a fraud, a fibber, a deceiver, and fabricator of fictitious atheistic bull$#!+. Ah, Clownie the Anointed smiles, knowing his Heavenly sent knowledge, wisdom, and direction in life lets him soak in the warm Florida sunshine that God has so lovingly sent, with admiration and thanks. Praise be to God!!!

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