Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#175328 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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I don't want to have my religion, faith or beliefs be part of this conversation. I am a Pagan sort. I consider many Pagans less religious than Atheist. Boy is that stamen a cheat, I doubt you could figure out the detail. With that said, I can prove my deity. It just goes off topic. You are so use to repeating your previous conversations, you failed to pick up on this point that should have been clear to you days ago.
Our conversation went like this: we both agreed atheists and believers have beliefs. Then we agreed that the faith atheists have in things like medicine is not akin to the faith believers have in their deities.

Then you claimed that physics proved your deity existed. Poly and I both asked for evidence and you were unable to present any, but you certainly put up a bluff "oh, I could if I wanted."

Here you do the same - "I could put proof of my deity up!"

Sorry, I don't believe you. Yes, I believe that you really and truly believe in your deities - enough to subjectively experience them as real. But at the end of the day, they're imagined beings made real to you through practiced behavior and your social experiences.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175329 Aug 24, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Some believers have higher I.Q. scores.
Naturally!

Atheism is simply no faith in deities/supernatural.

That is **all** that it is, in spite of false claims to the contrary.

As such, simple distributive probabilities show that some atheists will be quite stupid (as compared to the standard norms).

However, after saying that? I **must** point out the obvious:

Religion and religious brainwashing is pretty much ubiquitous over much of the world.

As such, it is quite difficult to be born, and **not** exposed to religious indoctrination during one's lifetime.

And religion's insidious nature is such, that it's memes create mental barriers opposing dislodging the ideas.

The only real cure for those? Appears to be education-- once a person is fully brainwashed into a religion or religion's memes?

Only exposure to many and varied ideas seems to be able to overcome these brainwashing-created mental walls.

And so?

Atheists, for the most part, consist of people who have been exposed to many and varied ideas--

-- a phenomena which **tends** to lead to better thinking skillsets.

-- of which **tends** to lead to better testing under the old IQ memes.

And there you have it in a nutshell. <grin>

(admittedly, a rather **largish** nutshell... heh)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175330 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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True Mr Quantum man, but that is just you in your universe. Your universe is true to you, and you only. Amen to that. It is clear it sucks to be you why wish it upon others.
The above is in no way a valid counter-argument to Polymath's statements.

Fail.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175331 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So many of these quasi-understanders of Science don't understand the underpinnings of the logic. They just fall in love with the mystical sounding terms. Then they get sucked into cults.
There is zero proof or even any indications this universe could arise from nothingness and our assemblage from chance. There is hardcore scientific evidence and proof that our level of intelligence and manipulation of matter requires some organization to even be formed. There is also the scientific intellectual understanding that our perceptions of the universe and our construction is strictly a result of our limitations to observe that which it was formed in. We can't see outside the box we are in. Science itself claims to see that box, just not what created it.
The BBT and laws of thermodynamics prove we are a machine as we understand machines. Topix atheists believe we are magic beings of our own making.
I agree with you. I'd ad to the outside reader. When you encounter an atheist off line do not include online experiences. This crowd is more of a study of fundamentalist than atheist. I stand by my thoughts that most of them are over 400 pounds and don't leave their homes. I don't state that for purposes of slander. Giving the way they don't take a person's word for their statement, I don't believe what they say. It is why I don't make long post that they so frequently request. Nor would I invest the time to find quotes from people to support my statement. IN THE CASE OF THIS TOPIC. I HAVE HEARD MANY ATHEIST ADMIT. YOU CAN'T PROVE THERE IS NO CREATOR, AND NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO. I just don't want to waste my time gathering these statements. I would if I had a greater respect for their honesty, but than again. I really don't have that much free time.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175332 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Face it you can't prove anything you have faith in your belief. End a rounds in conversations do not change that. You all ready admitted the truth stop being a bull er.
False.

Science is based in **fact** not faith.

Faith is just a systematic collection of LIES without any FACTS.

If you had FACTS?

YOU WOULD NOT NEED FAITH.

It really is that simple--

-- alas, it is STILL ABOVE YOUR ABILITIES.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175333 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Everyone else that could make it on any science channel says the exact opposite of you,
Now you are just making up more LIES to support your FAITH.

Lies are ALL that you have!

In any case? The pop-fictional "science" shows are not even a little bit accurate for the most part.

Fail.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175334 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Everyone else that could make it on any science channel says the exact opposite of you, as I said you are in your own private universe, and one that really sucks. Perhaps the reason you're in the minority is no one wants to share your thoughts with children, because they suck. I am sorry for you that you are stuck in YOUR reality. What is true for you is not true for all. Mr so called Quantum, that is your Universe anyway. Amen to that.
Nothing in the above? Even comes CLOSE TO ADDRESSING MY 3 POINTS.

Nothing-- YOU DID NOT EVEN TRY. You just whined "IS NOT" over and over.

Here they are again:

Quantum mechanics proves beyond any doubts, that an omniscient god cannot exist within the present universe.

Period.

That proves to 100% that your god isn't real.

But it's worse: the theory of relativity--well tested-- also proves beyond any doubts that an omniscient god is impossible in the present universe.

That's two.

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle? That's 3 proofs you cannot have an all-knowing god in the universe.

That's three-- there's more.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175335 Aug 24, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You are aware that one's subjective reality is not objectively real, right? You're also aware that one's subjective reality, no matter how hard they really, really, really believe in it, isn't subjectively real for all people, right?
You are aware that some people's subjective realities include different deities than the Abrahamic ones, yes? And that other people's don't have deities in them at all, yes?
And that physicists don't share your strange confabulation with the EM, yes?
Since no one's subjective reality is objectively real, since all kinds of mutually exclusive deities exist in lots of differing subjective realities, and since some have no deities at all, we can safely conclude that deities do not exist.
You can't have both mutually exclusive deities existing and no deities existing concurrently; hence objective reality includes none. They're just imagined beings - similar to your imagined explanations of reality by postulating that everything is EM based.
Life is but a dream. Have a good one not a bad one.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175336 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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We have had discussions about this before.
Poly says magic, I say readjustment of energy transfers on the universal scale.
So you claim... "MAGIC" here?

Okay-- but "magic" isn't real nor is it scientifically sound.

Fail.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Everything is tied together per science. Move one tiny bit and it crosses the universe.
Bullshyt.
Dave Nelson wrote:
You have two ways for that decay to occur. A tug from somewhere else on that particle, or a barrier to it is lessened allowing for its imbalance to seek balance.
Bullshyt.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Atoms are part of the universe. You do understand that, don't you?
Yes-- but obviously **YOU** do not. You invoke...

.... MAGIC as your "explanation".

This is hardly surprising... you BELIEVE in magic (gods)!

Silly.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175337 Aug 24, 2013
atheist are dumb that's a fact the bible says so

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175338 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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False.
Science is based in **fact** not faith.
Faith is just a systematic collection of LIES without any FACTS.
If you had FACTS?
YOU WOULD NOT NEED FAITH.
It really is that simple--
-- alas, it is STILL ABOVE YOUR ABILITIES.
your god science gets it wrong all the time... what a bunch of geek losers pointed head gay guys

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175339 Aug 24, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
Our conversation went like this: we both agreed atheists and believers have beliefs. Then we agreed that the faith atheists have in things like medicine is not akin to the faith believers have in their deities.
Then you claimed that physics proved your deity existed. Poly and I both asked for evidence and you were unable to present any, but you certainly put up a bluff "oh, I could if I wanted."
Here you do the same - "I could put proof of my deity up!"
Sorry, I don't believe you. Yes, I believe that you really and truly believe in your deities - enough to subjectively experience them as real. But at the end of the day, they're imagined beings made real to you through practiced behavior and your social experiences.
I exist, I worship myself. I am my own Deity, and I have my own mythology. I am doing well with it. Since worshipping myself I lost 70 pounds. I can bench press my own weight plus. I look younger. If I was single I could pick up woman 15 to 20 years younger than I am, but I don't believe that is my good looks or success as much as a generation that men are not that marketable. They spend too much time online, or play station styled games. They sleep in their mom's basement, past the age of 35. I don't want your mythology nor do I think it serves well.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175341 Aug 24, 2013
pucker up Bob take a lick (_#_)

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175342 Aug 24, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Life is but a dream. Have a good one not a bad one.
BINGO!!

I have posted about waking up in my death experience. This was after my physical consciousness, what we call our day to day thinking, had checked out and no viable way to continue had been presented. There was then an awakening in another dimension and consciousness, and a very strong desire to go back to sleep and dream again to escape it. Another existence was waiting for me as another type of being. I was looking at where I was to enter it. It didn't appeal to me. A very true and deep despair was experienced. I was enabled to return to this one. With some rewriting of events that had occurred.

Funny, Topix atheists base their non-belief on books they read, not on living experience.

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175343 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So you claim... "MAGIC" here?
Okay-- but "magic" isn't real nor is it scientifically sound.
Fail.
<quoted text>
Bullshyt.
<quoted text>
Bullshyt.
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Yes-- but obviously **YOU** do not. You invoke...
.... MAGIC as your "explanation".
This is hardly surprising... you BELIEVE in magic (gods)!
Silly.
You're screeching.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#175344 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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More of your assumptive thinking processes and lack of higher intelligence to appreciate such things.
You must be a horn blower. Totally absorbed in your own noise.
Hey, do the fish gather around you out sailing like the squirrels in the park? Try fish food. Like the peanuts for the squirrels.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =UTBvw-orhmgXX
Still no defense for your totally stupid analogy. I can see how embarrassed you are at the stupidity of your analogy, and are trying desperately to deflect attention away from it. Thats ok, I do understand and can see the worthless point you were trying to make, you just didn't think it through did you? Better luck next time.

I don't play while sailing, foolish of you to think so. However, people do gather around the band stand when I play, appreciative of the creative processes that they are witnessing.*Creative process* Oh yeah, virgin territory for you isn't it, and for your pukebucket pal. So very sad!!!!

Since: Sep 08

Lamar, CO

#175345 Aug 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Still no defense for your totally stupid analogy. I can see how embarrassed you are at the stupidity of your analogy, and are trying desperately to deflect attention away from it. Thats ok, I do understand and can see the worthless point you were trying to make, you just didn't think it through did you? Better luck next time.
I don't play while sailing, foolish of you to think so. However, people do gather around the band stand when I play, appreciative of the creative processes that they are witnessing.*Creative process* Oh yeah, virgin territory for you isn't it, and for your pukebucket pal. So very sad!!!!
To show you the error of your ways, my analogy requires no defense.

Flies gather around shit, and they too are appreciative of the creative process.

Loony, give up impersonating an intellectual. Just toot your horn without the attempted embellishments.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175346 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You're screeching.
It only sounds that way to you.

Because 100% of what you post? Bullshyt.

And you **STILL** cannot refute my 3 proofs your god cannot exist:

Quantum mechanics proves beyond any doubts, that an omniscient god cannot exist within the present universe.

Period.

That proves to 100% that your god isn't real.

But it's worse: the theory of relativity--well tested-- also proves beyond any doubts that an omniscient god is impossible in the present universe.

That's two.

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle? That's 3 proofs you cannot have an all-knowing god in the universe.

That's three-- there's more.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175347 Aug 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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To show you the error of your ways, my analogy requires no defense.
Indeed. No matter how much you polish that turd?

Your analogy is still bullshit.
Dave Nelson wrote:
Flies gather around shit, and they too are appreciative of the creative process.
Well, this explains your affair with Robert Stephesonson...

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175348 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed. No matter how much you polish that turd?
Your analogy is still bullshit.
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Well, this explains your affair with Robert Stephesonson...
Still no proof from the un-Godly! Just rants and whines from pathetic, lost souls who are roaming aimlessly in the wilderness of Sin. Unfortunately, most of these pathetic creatures with no souls, will end up committing Hari-kari and disappear from Heaven's conscience. Won't be a pretty sight, I'm afraid!

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