Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175145 Aug 20, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Scandinavian nations have not experienced the 200+ years or scale of multiculturalism the USA has. Patience, you will get your share, and much faster.
Scandinavia and the US is the difference between a nice tony suburb and the inner city.
Sweden have been importing people from other parts of the world far longer time than USA have existed

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#175146 Aug 21, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Sweden have been importing people from other parts of the world far longer time than USA have existed
As slaves and war booty.

I already posted links about today's social issues there. Almost 20% of the population is foreign born now. A very rapid rise in the last couple of decades. And they aren't Finns or other north Europeans. These were guests let in as refugees and they had no where else to go. They aren't assimilated or integrated in the work force. You have issues there now.

The USA has cities with more population than all of Sweden.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175147 Aug 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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As slaves and war booty.
I already posted links about today's social issues there. Almost 20% of the population is foreign born now. A very rapid rise in the last couple of decades. And they aren't Finns or other north Europeans. These were guests let in as refugees and they had no where else to go. They aren't assimilated or integrated in the work force. You have issues there now.
The USA has cities with more population than all of Sweden.
link to a interview with a neonazi supporter about a small apartment building area outside malmö

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#175149 Aug 21, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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link to a interview with a neonazi supporter about a small apartment building area outside malmö
I have seen several other articles similar.

You don't have the wealth to support the largesse anymore. You have a large essentially captive population of very different cultural backgrounds.

You no longer have the universal conscription that bound your society together. You have the opportunists that have plundered the good intentions of the nation for their own benefit under the guise of social justice and liberalism. Rabblerousing for profit has become a profession. It has been happening here for a while.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfa...

Your noble ideas are becoming memories and illusions.

Your Sweden is dying.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175150 Aug 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I have seen several other articles similar.
You don't have the wealth to support the largesse anymore. You have a large essentially captive population of very different cultural backgrounds.
You no longer have the universal conscription that bound your society together. You have the opportunists that have plundered the good intentions of the nation for their own benefit under the guise of social justice and liberalism. Rabblerousing for profit has become a profession. It has been happening here for a while.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfa...
Your noble ideas are becoming memories and illusions.
Your Sweden is dying.
You are building your information on lies from the neo-nazi movement
Anon

Lakewood, OH

#175151 Aug 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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I have seen several other articles similar.
You don't have the wealth to support the largesse anymore. You have a large essentially captive population of very different cultural backgrounds.
You no longer have the universal conscription that bound your society together. You have the opportunists that have plundered the good intentions of the nation for their own benefit under the guise of social justice and liberalism. Rabblerousing for profit has become a profession. It has been happening here for a while.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/08/20/study-welfa...
Your noble ideas are becoming memories and illusions.
Your Sweden is dying.
Ah, multiculturalism. Looks good on paper. In reality - not so good.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#175152 Aug 21, 2013
Anon wrote:
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Ah, multiculturalism. Looks good on paper. In reality - not so good.
You can't get around people and their financial interests influencing what they preach. People have to make a living. They exploit whatever they can.

I personally witnessed the Cuban takeover of Miami, a process repeated with every large immigrant group moving in, especially political refugees.

The government provides money to help. You have some in that group that learns the ropes to get whatever money they can. Then they open up offices to help others of their group get theirs, for a fee. It becomes a money making enterprise and then the flood happens. Then they get into the mainstream economy as personnel managers. Then a requirement for employment is speaking the language of the immigrant group because of their numbers and economic power. In addition, it is much easier to control those immigrants of the same group as the personnel department. They understand each other better. Goodbye natives. In the meantime you hear about diversity from that incoming group.

This all leads assimilation into the larger culture by a long time. You have a voting bloc to court by members of the larger culture to make their personal fortunes. Then they manufacture "liberal" clones to keep their money coming in. So they can live in gated communities.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175153 Aug 21, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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Sweden have been importing people from other parts of the world far longer time than USA have existed
Our women have big tits with good teeth... there you go

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#175154 Aug 21, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Our women have big tits with good teeth... there you go
sweden isn't britain

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#175155 Aug 21, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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sweden isn't britain
good point Mikko! and you guys do have some fine ladies!

DNF

“Religious Freedom to Marry”

Since: Apr 07

Newark OH / Baltimore MD

#175156 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Why?
Faith is basically lying... why is LYING good?
So I am a liar now Bob?

My faith does more for me than your attacks against people of faith.

Frankly it shows me what a hypocrite you really are. You rage against people of faith sharing the same belief yet then act like a typical homophobe by insisting everyone live their lives according to your rules.

And when you lose that much credibility on here, dear Bob, it's probably best to stop making yourself look so foolish.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175157 Aug 21, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
xianity is EVIL wrote:
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is there anything good positive in your religion?
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reading comprehension suffer you yes?
Im not asking about scientific proof for anything,
cant you come up with a single good positive thing you derive from religion??
why do you believe in god then?
Maybe you have not read all my post. What I have shown on this tread. In regards to my beliefs.

* I consider myself to be a Pagan, I believe in a creator and a protector, but it is most likely not of human image

* It is likely what I call The perfect One which is described above, would most likely appear to be a mass of energy in The Universe, very likely such a high level of energy, we won't be able to approach it.

* God is within all of us, BUT if you can't feel it there is a chance God is not with in you. Because

* all people do know themselves.

In my opinion its all good. Even those that are soulless and have no connection with The Perfect One.

My apologize for going off topic. I do believe in God, but I really don't belong to a religion. While my exact sort are not part of any census, I am sure many people that do belong to a church have views similar to mine.

Back to the topic. It is just less likely that The Universe has no creator/protector. Therefore Atheism is indeed a belief, and beliefs are based on faith. Anyone that thinks they could prove otherwise are nuts.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175158 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your god isn't real.
Threatening an atheist with your god's imaginary punishment?
Is **exactly** like, ME telling you that Santa won't be giving you presents in December...
**exactly** the same.
My post was just the opposite it was an explanation of how Atheism would cause the end to Humans on Earth. If you want to claim it is part of evolution, I could see the use of having humans restricted to being earthbound and having the race as it is here come to an end. The Perfect One may not want space pirates. Which is what we'd be.
followerofSatan

Apo, AP

#175159 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Maybe you have not read all my post. What I have shown on this tread. In regards to my beliefs.
* I consider myself to be a Pagan, I believe in a creator and a protector, but it is most likely not of human image
* It is likely what I call The perfect One which is described above, would most likely appear to be a mass of energy in The Universe, very likely such a high level of energy, we won't be able to approach it.
* God is within all of us, BUT if you can't feel it there is a chance God is not with in you. Because
* all people do know themselves.
In my opinion its all good. Even those that are soulless and have no connection with The Perfect One.
My apologize for going off topic. I do believe in God, but I really don't belong to a religion. While my exact sort are not part of any census, I am sure many people that do belong to a church have views similar to mine.
Back to the topic. It is just less likely that The Universe has no creator/protector. Therefore Atheism is indeed a belief, and beliefs are based on faith. Anyone that thinks they could prove otherwise are nuts.
yeah..lots of beliefs aka opinions....too bad you can't provide any credible evidence for anything...the technical term for what you did is "MENTAL MASTURBATION"...

how do you feel about the tooth fairy and easter bunny?

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175160 Aug 21, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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If we argue enough, we're eventually going to agree that all of what we know are actually "beliefs." Sure, fine, I have no problem with that. Nor do I have an issue calling my atheism "a believe that no deities exist." No worries. All good.
The thing is, if you are comparing your faith in your deity to my faith, say, in toothpaste - I don't really know how it works and if it declares "whitens your teeth!" I buy it, trusting it will - that's pretty sad for you.
I mean, I would hope that, as a believer, faith would have some special meaning for you. But, hey, if you're here declaring to me that your faith in God is the same as mine in toothpaste, I will simply trust you - for you are backing up why I am an atheist.
If I was a believer, I'd want my faith to mean something special. I'd want it to be different than everyday trust in technology that I don't understand. But no problem. I don't believe in deities, so your use of the word faith works for me and makes sense.
I have a hard time understanding what you say after you agree with me. I just think you're claiming that you find it more likely there is no creator or any form of God. As posted earlier, I do believe we both know ourselves and we could both be right, we have our own existence. When one believes as I do, the spreading of Atheism makes no sense.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175161 Aug 21, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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sweden isn't britain
Thank you, I have been reading this claim here and at youtube for years. I don't understand why they wish to spread this myth. Honestly there is a lot of Atheist mythology.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175162 Aug 21, 2013
followerofSatan wrote:
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yeah..lots of beliefs aka opinions....too bad you can't provide any credible evidence for anything...the technical term for what you did is "MENTAL MASTURBATION"...
how do you feel about the tooth fairy and easter bunny?
RFLMAO if you read the post I was responding to, you could see I all ways have posted I can't prove anything, and the post was off topic. I admit I have beliefs that are based on my faith in things. The topic tread "Atheism is as much faith as religion" that is the topic and I agree with it as a statement. THANK YOU, for proving my point, that I should really never have answered this question, as I originally stated. Your post was the hammer hit the nail I was holding, again thank you for proving the point, I pointed out here for days.

ONE MORE TIME. SORRY FOR GOING OFF TOPIC AGAIN.

Since: Aug 13

Location hidden

#175163 Aug 21, 2013
Divine Alien wrote:
When we leave this world, we are going back to God himself.
Probably

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175164 Aug 21, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>So I am a liar now Bob?
Either that, or you've been lied TO.

Works either way-- faith-- WITHOUT PROOF-- is a lie.

Sorry, but that's the way of it.

You are welcome to it, naturally.

So long as you keep it to yourself-- and do not enforce LAWS that **make** people follow your faith.

That's why I am here-- to keep the faith-based laws OUT.

Only secular laws can be allowed-- according to the Constitution.

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If it were not for Ugly Faith-Laws?

Homosexuals could have been enjoying freedom to marry since 1776...

....!!

Think about **that** one for a bit, why don't you?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175165 Aug 21, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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My post was just the opposite it was an explanation of how Atheism would cause the end to Humans on Earth.
Your post was like the majority of what you write: bullshit.

That's what you do, you know.

If your idiot ideas were CORRECT?

We should see ATHEIST countries FAILING, right and left.

And RELIGIOUS ones in the forefront.

Is this the case?

Nope.

On the world stage? The MORE religious a country's population is?

THE LOWER ON THE OVERALL SCALE OF SUCCESS IT IS.

Yep--that is the fact, jack.

Atheist countries? Experience higher average salary per person, higher quality/quantity medical care per person, lower crime rates per person, better education per person, lower infant deaths per person, longer lives per person, etc, etc, etc.

In short?

ALL THE AREAS THAT COUNT?

It's better to live in an **atheist** country than in a **theist** one.

By just about any measure you want to make.

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