Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175193 Aug 22, 2013
DavidQuinn wrote:
Atheism requires no faith at all but I wish i had Jean-Paul sartre's attitude to religion, a man so thoroughly atheist he deemed the whole subject beneath his intelligence to consider. Simply religion is divisive and restricts us as a species, simple as that. Check out a book that's causing a bit of a buzz in the Uk called 2082 the chronicles of hope. On the website the 1st chapter for the 1st book is on there for free, there's a speech in there by an atheist politician that's genius
True, but Atheism does the same thing. The difference is religion most often is established to entertain the masses, Atheism is established to police the masses. Orwell was correct.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175194 Aug 22, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Intellectual laziness at its finest.
1. You just made a claim statement - produce your evidence.
2. All religious believers "know" their religion is "the one, true religion." So you'd further have to explain why your deity and not any other. Go ahead, produce your evidence.
3. Again, for the slow of mind, your reality is a subjective one. it's not objectively real. It's not shared by everyone on this planet. It's most certainly not shared by believers of different religions to yours.
And it's not shared by atheists such as myself.
But don't take my word for it - produce your evidence, please.
I never claimed I could produce evidence. My statement is clear and simple. For Atheism not to require faith, and furthermore not be a belief. The origin of The Universe would have to be proven, and proven that there is no creator. This would only happen when the human race knows everything. That's not happening. It comes down to what you believe is the greatest likelihood. I believe that is a case by case basis. Face it you faith should not be spread. Every time you do it, you prove you are a person of religion. I see no reason to spread my beliefs. I could offer books to read. I doubt you would enjoy them. They just are not for you. I accept you do know yourself, why do you have a hard time with all of humanity knowing themselves? I think that answer is obvious, and I don't need to hear it. Now could you get back on topic.
xianity is EVIL

Tecumseh, Canada

#175195 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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Those are not Atheist countries. Maybe UK, could you say too much taxes. Atheism sucks and North Korea and China are yours as was the former Soviet Union.
time for a lesson in history for ya

The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion

Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.

The U.S. Constitution

The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being
.(For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.

www.nobeliefs.com
xianity is EVIL

Tecumseh, Canada

#175196 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
I never claimed I could produce evidence. My statement is clear and simple. For Atheism not to require faith, and furthermore not be a belief. The origin of The Universe would have to be proven, and proven that there is no creator. This would only happen when the human race knows everything. That's not happening. It comes down to what you believe is the greatest likelihood. I believe that is a case by case basis. Face it you faith should not be spread. Every time you do it, you prove you are a person of religion. I see no reason to spread my beliefs. I could offer books to read. I doubt you would enjoy them. They just are not for you. I accept you do know yourself, why do you have a hard time with all of humanity knowing themselves? I think that answer is obvious, and I don't need to hear it. Now could you get back on topic.
you can repeat your Lies as much as you want,it still wont make it correct

from wiki

Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]

now Google "religion" so you know what that means,right now youre sounding like a very DENSE xian fanatic
xianity is EVIL

Tecumseh, Canada

#175197 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
True, but Atheism does the same thing. The difference is religion most often is established to entertain the masses, Atheism is established to police the masses. Orwell was correct.
LMAO
you got it azz backwards bro,Religion is used to control people,

atheism just makes them free and able to think independently of religious BS

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175198 Aug 22, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
time for a lesson in history for ya
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion
Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.
The U.S. Constitution
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being
.(For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
www.nobeliefs.com
"To be sure, the Constitution could have avoided the words "Year of our Lord" in the date (as it does elsewhere when it refers to specific years), but it's hard to imagine why. "The Year of our Lord" was the standard way of dating important documents in the 1700s; its use was ritualistic, not religious. It is doubtful that anyone, Christian, deist, or otherwise, would have given the words a second thought, or ascribed to them any legal significance. And if the intent of the Constitution was to signal a favored status for Christianity, it could have done so in a thousand less ambiguous ways than including the words "in the Year of our Lord." That some accommodationists appeal to these words is silent testimony to how little evidence there is for the idea that the Constitution embodies Christian morality or thought."

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg10c.htm

That is an example of atheist apologetics. There was the option of using the other forms((as it does elsewhere when it refers to specific years)), but that one was chosen.

That is not a religious website. If a more secular form had been used elsewhere, then it was quite available for use there. It wasn't.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175199 Aug 22, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
you can repeat your Lies as much as you want,it still wont make it correct
from wiki
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]
now Google "religion" so you know what that means,right now youre sounding like a very DENSE xian fanatic
" rejection"+"the position"=belief

Those are actions that require a certain knowledge and decision based upon such knowledge. That becomes a belief.

The absence of such belief would require total ignorance such belief exists. So your atheism is based upon ignorance or belief.

That means you made a conscious decision to reject the other belief if you were aware of it.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175200 Aug 22, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
time for a lesson in history for ya
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion
Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.
The U.S. Constitution
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being
.(For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
www.nobeliefs.com
It is true! But to be POTUS or part of tribe in Power , i would say you must be a Chistain of certain demonination to enter Power Structure in govt!
read this and see if you agree, religions used for evil!'

Under the Banner if Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith, by John Krakauer
"
This, after all, is a country [US] led by a born-again Christian [Bush]... who characterizes international relations as a biblical clash between forces of good and evil. The highest law officer in the land, Attorney General John Ashcroft, is a dyed-in-the-wool follower of a fundamentalist Christian sect—the Pentecostal Assemblies of God of America—... and subscribes to a vividly apocalyptic worldview that has much in common with key millenarian beliefs held by the Lafferty brothers and the residents of Colorado City.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#175201 Aug 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
I just posted this in PTAG. Read the news link.
"
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ohio-man-declare ...
Another instance of a man being declared dead by learned other men coming to life again.
The patient didn't recall anything after going to bed the night before. But he had an issue that developed into his going to the hospital where he wound up being declared dead.
I posted in the Atheism requires faith forum this morning or last night about the subconscious stands guard in response to a poster that said he had lights out a few times and thought death was just going off to eternal sleep.
Evidently not. There was enough consciousness somewhere in there to be aware of reality and react to stimuli. Note the immediate response to his son's voice. That takes cognizance. Everything was shut off. Of course, once they started embalming he just wasn't going to come back in near the same physical condition.
I've posted a few times about this before."
BIG big difference between almost dead and all the way dead. Clearly he wasn't all the way dead yet.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175202 Aug 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>BIG big difference between almost dead and all the way dead. Clearly he wasn't all the way dead yet.
Stupid observation, Aura. His next stop was the freezer, autopsy, then mortician. By determination of the doctor and devices of modern science. No doubt about it, whatever residual consciousness he possessed, those would have killed it. Even if he was aware of them starting to slice him open. That could be you.

That doesn't agree too well with your belief in strictly material consciousness.

Remember what I have posted about going through the dying process not being as you would like to think?

That is why it is nice to have someplace for your consciousness to run off to instead of hanging around.

But believe what you want.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#175203 Aug 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Stupid observation, Aura. His next stop was the freezer, autopsy, then mortician. By determination of the doctor and devices of modern science. No doubt about it, whatever residual consciousness he possessed, those would have killed it. Even if he was aware of them starting to slice him open. That could be you.
That doesn't agree too well with your belief in strictly material consciousness.
Remember what I have posted about going through the dying process not being as you would like to think?
That is why it is nice to have someplace for your consciousness to run off to instead of hanging around.
But believe what you want.
I don't have to believe anything Dave, it's pretty straight forward. People have been mistakenly presumed dead , because vital signs were either to weak to detect or in a such a near death state, they were on the brink.
Many have recovered from narrowly escaping this brush with death.
Some even from the morgue right before they would have been made dead, if not already.

But once you're really dead , it's forever and final.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175204 Aug 22, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
time for a lesson in history for ya
The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense founded on the Christian religion
Many Religious Right activists have attempted to rewrite history by asserting that the United States government derived from Christian foundations, that our Founding Fathers originally aimed for a Christian nation. This idea simply does not hold to the historical evidence.
The U.S. Constitution
The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being
.(For those who think the date of the Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in the preamble:
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
www.nobeliefs.com
I'd respond in detail, but again you are off topic.

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#175205 Aug 22, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO
you got it azz backwards bro,Religion is used to control people,
atheism just makes them free and able to think independently of religious BS
I couldn't disagree more, you will deny until you die. Which you only get to do once. Sorry, but I do respect you do know yourself

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175206 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Those are not Atheist countries. Maybe UK, could you say too much taxes. Atheism sucks and North Korea and China are yours as was the former Soviet Union.
Nope. They are-- in fact? All of the Netherlands is atheist/secular--- the MAJORITY of their populations are atheists.

That **is** how you count it, after all--

... you moron Genuine Christholes™ keep claiming the USA is "christian" because 65% is as deluded as you...

... RIGHT?

LOL!

In any case? NK and China are not athiest.

Neither was the USSR.

Cults of Personality-- religion, in other words.

Your extreme ignorance of modern history is duly noted.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175207 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob you never have proved it and you never will. You can't. Nice try sunshine. The day you could you would, but that day is not coming. Even Stephen Hawkins has admitted this, in his view atheism is most likely but will never be able to be proven.
I prove it quite nicely.

I am so sorry your feeble "edumacation" was not up to comprehension of my proof--

-- YOU DID NOT EVEN TRY TO COUNTER MY ARGUMENT.

Not even a little... you just whined "NOT SO" as you do, above.

Keep whining "not so"-- it reveals you for the moron you are.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175208 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
<quoted text>
True, but Atheism does the same thing. The difference is religion most often is established to entertain the masses, Atheism is established to police the masses. Orwell was correct.
Oh, my STARS!

You idiot! Orwell was criticizing .. RELIGION!

LMAO!
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#175209 Aug 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, my STARS!
You idiot! Orwell was criticizing .. RELIGION!
LMAO!
you caught him in the toilet at wrong time, stench premeates confines of the room, u caUGHT HIM WRONG TIME I DO SAY! wbhahahahahahA

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#175210 Aug 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> I don't have to believe anything Dave, it's pretty straight forward. People have been mistakenly presumed dead , because vital signs were either to weak to detect or in a such a near death state, they were on the brink.
Many have recovered from narrowly escaping this brush with death.
Some even from the morgue right before they would have been made dead, if not already.
But once you're really dead , it's forever and final.
If you are dead as the human being you were, I will agree with you. No argument.

However, further existence as an entity of some sort, I will disagree. I will reserve judgment on all human beings having that ability, though.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#175211 Aug 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, my STARS!

You idiot! Orwell was criticizing .. RELIGION!

LMAO!
Lol..now this was funny!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#175212 Aug 22, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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My post was just the opposite it was an explanation of how Atheism would cause the end to Humans on Earth. If you want to claim it is part of evolution, I could see the use of having humans restricted to being earthbound and having the race as it is here come to an end. The Perfect One may not want space pirates. Which is what we'd be.
Wait. If someone disagrees with my religious beliefs then the earth will end?

You may have a valid point considering I am gay and a Christian!

LMAO!

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