Sorry, but I don't have a "camp"/your argument is not with me but with experts in your own camp who reject Jesus myth theory and you embrace.
They are NOT experts.
Many REAL experts (also Atheists/Agnostics) believe in the Jesus myth.
So...it can go both ways.
The argument I am having is with YOU. You think Jesus was real, without a shred of proof, or historical record.
He declares his OPINION! Nothing more. You are quoting verses from the BIBLE...written hundreds of years after Jesus's death, lol!
''Among many details which illustrate Carriers total inability to understand Jesus culture is the story of Jesus betrayal, arrest and execution. He declares,
The authorities did not need Judas to find or identify Jesus. Given what Mark has Jesus say in 14:49 (and what Jesus had been doing in Jerusalem only days before), the authorities knew what he looked like, and they could have seized him any time he appeared in public.
...how does this PROVE that Jesus existed? It doesn't.It was fortunate for the Jewish people of the time that the Sagan, the chief priest in charge of security in the Temple, was wiser than Carrier. He will not have forgotten what happened in 4 BCE, when Herod Archelaus was faced with a serious protest in the Temple. Archelaus sent people to talk to the protesters, but when Passover came round and support for them increased, he sent in a cohort led by a tribune, so some 500 soldiers led by an officer: the crowd stoned them with such violence that most of the cohort were killed. Archelaus then sent in his army in force: the result was 3,000 dead Jews and the wreckage of a major festival (Jos. War II, 5-13: Ant XVII, 206-8). This is arguably what the chief priests were avoiding by not arresting Jesus in public in the Temple, yet Carrier shows not a glimmer of awareness of the event in the time of Archelaus ever happening..''
there is NO historical record of Jesus whatsoever...even at a time and place where records were kept!