Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#173165 Aug 1, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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Maybe religion was invented by people, but not faith D.A...
bring it...
I have "faith" each time I pull the slot machines arm, hoping for the big bonus.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#173166 Aug 1, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are aware of the lead dust created and breathed in indoor ranges? It is not insignificant. You need LOTS of air circulation and LOTS of filtering. Then it has to be disposed of properly. Even outdoor range backstops get replaced every so often.
Not too mention the vaporized jacketing material and lubes.
<The Dave Nelson> "jacketing material and luubesss... WAHHH WOW OAHHHH UNGAHHH!...whew"
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#173167 Aug 1, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I always love it when I see a loving Christian response. You should look behind your back I think Satan is very close with that post!
Yes I think "Just Results" is now showing his true colours.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#173168 Aug 1, 2013
Just Results wrote:
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Funny you say this because you just contradicted what another one of your co-atheists said while attempting to refute me about how the disgusting religion of atheism has caused such a crime increase since your disciple and deacon of atheism, O'Hair, stirred the cult of atheism up in 1963.
I said in my post that atheism is the chief reason our world has become so much more of a violent and criminal world .
Your stupid atheist friend then posted a link where crime is down in America in the last decade or two (which I strongly disagree with).
Now one of you two , or both , is lying. I think you both are liars.
Violent crime is down, but there is still *way* too much gun violence.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173169 Aug 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Violent crime is down, but there is still *way* too much gun violence.
Correction: the number of *reported* violent crimes is down. I'm back.
:)

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#173170 Aug 1, 2013
Just Results wrote:
<quoted text>Bob's schedule of hate:

5:00 A.M.---drinks cup of coffee.
5:30 A.M.---prays to his Satan.
6:00 A.M.---reads the 10 commandments of how to piss Christians off.
6:30A.M.--- gets angered when he sees on the news that a church group is helping those in need at a tragedy.

7:00 A.M.---jumps with joy when he sees where a church bus of youth crashes on the interstate killing 4 kids.

7:30 AM ---spits and froths over his keyboard when a Christian posts scriptures.

8:00 A.M until noon.---posts hatred on no less than 24 atheists threads. Uses the word godbot 56 times. Shows off how he can post the trademark symbol no less than 10 times out of anger and rage.

12:00 PM ---drinks more coffee on his couch, never looking in the paper for a job.

1:00 PM---pissed off because all his Christian targets are not online for him to bash because they are still at work.

2:00PM ---jacks off

3:00 PM---takes his mommy to Chic-fil-A where he spits in the face of the store owner and screams "I'm an atheist bigot and I embrace wickedness!!!"

4:00 PM---changes sock puppet and posts more bigotry on 14 more atheist topics.
5:00 PM---changes sock puppet again and asks 20 or more Christians to prove there is a God despite the fact he claims he knows for a fact there is no God.

6:00 PM--- sucks his mommy's tits.

7:00 PM---expresses more anger as an atheist and calls 10 Christians ugly names, expressing what an imbecilic child he is.
8:00-8:15 P.M.----SLEEPS

8:15-8:30 PM ---wakes again out of a sweat worrying that his faith in atheism is too weak and feeble.

9:00 until 11PM--showing his ass on more forums

12AM---reads an atheist magazine full of shit for one hour

1 AM--jerks off again.

2 AM-- still not able to sleep worrying about Hell.
3AM---left with no one else to post to but other bigoted atheists.

4 AM---Wondering when his mommy is going to get up and change his diapers.
There are 10 commandments to piss Christians off?!

Where? Where?

I think I may have just kept one of them.

I just left the drugstore where there were 2 guys taking donations for something.

On the way out, I stopped at their table. It was a "keep teens off drugs" fundraiser. I saw the word "science" on one of the leaflets and took out my cash.

I mentioned, "Oh. It's science based?"

He replied, "No. It's faith based."

I said, "Oh", pocketed my cash and walked away.

Does that count?

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173171 Aug 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Religion **was** invented by people.
Prior to it's invention? Everyone was an atheist.
So you are full of it, as per your usual...
.. and wrong.
Also in keeping with your usual.
Atheism isn't the default position of humanity. The default position of humanity is exploration. If you put an average 8 month old baby on the floor you will see that the child's natural instinct is to explore the surroundings. The child won't sit there in doubt of whether anything exists. The child won't doubt whether or not he or she can climb or crawl. The child will explore and move wherever there aren't any obstacles, and will do so with an inquisitive open mind.

Atheism corresponds to the obstacles placed in the mental path of exploration by the individual. Obstacles to faith are self-imposed obstacles.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#173172 Aug 1, 2013
Ah the guy who says the bible never says Jesus was born in a house. Lol!
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Correction: the number of *reported* violent crimes is down. I'm back.
:)
Thinking

UK

#173173 Aug 1, 2013
Did christianity.
It was full of obstacles to learning.
I'm off exploring.
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Atheism isn't the default position of humanity. The default position of humanity is exploration. If you put an average 8 month old baby on the floor you will see that the child's natural instinct is to explore the surroundings. The child won't sit there in doubt of whether anything exists. The child won't doubt whether or not he or she can climb or crawl. The child will explore and move wherever there aren't any obstacles, and will do so with an inquisitive open mind.
Atheism corresponds to the obstacles placed in the mental path of exploration by the individual. Obstacles to faith are self-imposed obstacles.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173174 Aug 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ah the guy who says the bible never says Jesus was born in a house. Lol!
<quoted text>
Show me where in the gospels there is any indicator that Jesus was born in a house. Yes that's a challenge. Let's see how you handle it.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173175 Aug 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Did christianity.
It was full of obstacles to learning.
I'm off exploring.
<quoted text>
The obstacles were yours.
Thinking

UK

#173176 Aug 1, 2013
That's why I removed them.
Roman Apologist wrote:
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The obstacles were yours.
Thinking

UK

#173177 Aug 1, 2013
Warehouse, whorehouse, who cares?
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Show me where in the gospels there is any indicator that Jesus was born in a house. Yes that's a challenge. Let's see how you handle it.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#173178 Aug 1, 2013
Matthew chapter 2 Jesus in born at Mary and Joseph's home in Bethlehem and even lived there for two years before fleeing to Egypt. In Luke it says they lived in Nazareth and stayed in a Bethlehem manger because there were no Inns available during their traveling.

For your uneducated apologetic viewpoint to work you have to say that the manger was so great they stayed there for two years abandoning their home in Nazareth.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Show me where in the gospels there is any indicator that Jesus was born in a house. Yes that's a challenge. Let's see how you handle it.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#173179 Aug 1, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Atheism isn't the default position of humanity. The default position of humanity is exploration. If you put an average 8 month old baby on the floor you will see that the child's natural instinct is to explore the surroundings. The child won't sit there in doubt of whether anything exists. The child won't doubt whether or not he or she can climb or crawl. The child will explore and move wherever there aren't any obstacles, and will do so with an inquisitive open mind.
Atheism corresponds to the obstacles placed in the mental path of exploration by the individual. Obstacles to faith are self-imposed obstacles.
Not at all. Atheism is the recognition that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of deities. That naturally leads to a lack of belief in deities. It does not cut off investigation is some evidence does appear.

In fact, atheism follows naturally from the recognition that all phenomena we have seen can be explained by natural explanations. So, at the very least, it isn't unreasonable to test such explanations before any supernatural ones. And that is without considering whether supernatural explanations are explanations at all (being untestable).

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#173180 Aug 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not at all. Atheism is the recognition that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of deities. That naturally leads to a lack of belief in deities. It does not cut off investigation is some evidence does appear.
In fact, atheism follows naturally from the recognition that all phenomena we have seen can be explained by natural explanations. So, at the very least, it isn't unreasonable to test such explanations before any supernatural ones. And that is without considering whether supernatural explanations are explanations at all (being untestable).

That sounds like the definition of free thought not atheism.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173181 Aug 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Matthew chapter 2 Jesus in born at Mary and Joseph's home in Bethlehem and even lived there for two years before fleeing to Egypt. In Luke it says they lived in Nazareth and stayed in a Bethlehem manger because there were no Inns available during their traveling.
For your uneducated apologetic viewpoint to work you have to say that the manger was so great they stayed there for two years abandoning their home in Nazareth.
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Matthew Chapter 2 says *NOTHING* of the birth narrative. Matthew Chapter 2 is about the visit from the Magi and the escape into Egypt and subsequent return to Nazareth. The birth narrative in Matthew is very sparse and so doesn't say what you're claiming.

The Luke narrative expands the account so we see why Joseph was traveling to Bethlehem. Mary and Joseph traveled to Bethlehem for the census. This would be like you traveling to Cleveland, Ohio with your wife and her giving birth there, even though your home is in Kentucky.

Your argumentum ad hominem and lack of understanding of ancient writing styles has exposed the weakness of your position.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#173182 Aug 1, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Not at all. Atheism is the recognition that the available evidence is insufficient to prove the existence of deities. That naturally leads to a lack of belief in deities. It does not cut off investigation is some evidence does appear.
In fact, atheism follows naturally from the recognition that all phenomena we have seen can be explained by natural explanations. So, at the very least, it isn't unreasonable to test such explanations before any supernatural ones. And that is without considering whether supernatural explanations are explanations at all (being untestable).
I'm inclined to agree that natural causes should be considered before supernatural causes. But insisting that supernatural causes have to be testable to verify their existence seems extreme to me. If there are supernatural beings, they must be capable of free movement between our time/space existence and another plane of existence. Paranormal investigators use thermal scanners and sound recording equipment, and have developed fair criteria to determine whether or not an event is natural or supernatural. The methodologies are constantly being evaluated and improved to look for fraudulent practices in the field environment.

I find that the charge of "insufficient evidence" is too much of a convenient argument. It appears to be a philosophical and emotional escape hatch for the atheist who doesn't wish to find himself or herself cornered by evidence that is difficult to refute. It allows for too much "subjective value" which is emotionally based at the core, while grasping for whatever naturalist philosophies will support the atheistic worldview.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#173183 Aug 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Atheists have been around longer than you godbots, stupid.
If there were **no** faith in gods?
All would be atheists.
Just as babies are **born** atheist-- having no faith in the lies you hategodbots tell.
some helpful quotes (IMO) that I know annoy religious fanatics:

"A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the subject."
- Winston Churchill

True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance."
~ Akhenaton

Ma'am, there's only one God, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't dress like that.
-Steve Rogers The Avengers

Its bad manners to say I love you with a mouth full of lies.
-Seen on Facebook

Man creates his own demons from the part of him whats closest to his animal fears. He takes them to bed with him, and they lie down together for a fit-filled sleep.
-Waddie Greywolf

"People take different roads seeking happiness and fulfillment. Just because they aren't on your road doesn't mean they've gotten lost"
-The Dalai Lama

"Be transformed by the renewing of your mind."
Romans 12:2

Namaste my friend.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#173184 Aug 1, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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No they have not... I see your still... dumb, lol.
I'm back...
Thank you for reminding us of one of the smartest saying plumbers have ever invented.

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