Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#172917 Jul 24, 2013
25or6to4 wrote:
<quoted text>
This exchange presumes that God is like a person; that God wants to communicate, has plans, and gets angry if we don't listen to his messages. Why should God be thought of as a person? Is it because we like to project our own experience of reality on some "ultimate reality?" Can God just be some little-understood force, without human emotions? Without human prejudices? Without needing to really "care" at all what goes on in our small brains? I think the major fault of all religions is that they construct an image of God to support pre-existing prejudices and desires. I cannot believe in any notion of God other than total. utter, and unapproachable mysteriousness.
Well said, Chicago. This presumed 'god' loves us, calls us 'His children' and our 'immortal souls' are the goal in a divine scavenger hunt?

I do appreciate the fact that 'He' granted us free will, I mean how much fun can a planet full of zombie worshippers be? The 'God works in mysterious ways' is simply a non answer. It is like telling a person who suffers from severe depression to 'snap out of it.'

Gotta admit though the power plays on people's fears seems to be pretty effective on some and that promised reward of eternal life has a lotta folk jumping through hoops. If I actually thought there was a god, there is no way I could worship such a manipulative, diabolical b@st@rd.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172918 Jul 24, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I saw newspaper used when I was a child, but there was always plain paper inside too.
<quoted text>
That makes sense... you need more than one layer.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#172919 Jul 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Never fired a front-loader m'self.
(weird... Topix wanted to censor "bl#ck powder"...!)
Wow, Bob. You finally got a censor's warning from the Topixbot, this is a first for you, isn't it?

Black power, maybe? Hmmmmm......

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#172920 Jul 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Very well said. But again we are dealing with a person who can't honestly answer even the simplest question. He is unaware if Jesus was born in Mary and Joseph's home in Nazareth or in a manger in Bethlehem.
<quoted text>
Just a brief post before I leave for the week:

You included "qualifiers" such as the word "honestly" and assumptions such as "unaware." I'll answer your question just to prove your assumption as incorrect as you are :)

Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is the "City of David."

You're attempting to create a contradiction where there isn't one.
So, either you're simply naive regarding cultural context and styles of writing between authors, or you're simply being obtuse. Either way you're incorrect. Archeology now shows that there were two (2) villages known as Bethlehem. One in Judea, and one in Galilee.

http://archive.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts...

Have a nice week.:D

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172921 Jul 24, 2013
Lmfao!
scaritual wrote:
<The Dave Nelson> {*plays with spittle*}

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172922 Jul 24, 2013
Well that mud man and run woman upset the sky wizard right Dave? He was so upset he had to send his son to be tortured and killed because a woman ate a magical apple!

..... Because a talking snake told her to......

Makes perfect sense to a senile clueless old loser like you eh?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>"8. A source or beginning; a germ.
9. Offspring; progeny.
10. Family stock; ancestry.
11. Sperm; semen."

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/seed

I didn't say you, dumbass.

You attempted to deflect the question.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172923 Jul 24, 2013
That's so embarrassing. It's at times like that I wanna move to Switzerland or something.
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://washington.cbslocal.com /2013/07/23/poll-majority-of-a mericans-believe-god-played-ro le-in-human-evolution/

God and evolution.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172924 Jul 24, 2013
What about the scripture that says he was born in Mary and Joseph's house in Nazareth? Their house wasn't a manger over 100 miles away was it? No it couldn't be because they were traveling away from home... A city Nazareth that didn't exist until well into the second century... Cough... Cough...

Thanks for changing sock puppets and dancing at my command as soon as I returned... You said you were leaving for vacation about 23 hours ago. So nice to catch you in another lie.

BUSTED!:))
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Just a brief post before I leave for the week:

You included "qualifiers" such as the word "honestly" and assumptions such as "unaware." I'll answer your question just to prove your assumption as incorrect as you are :)

Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is the "City of David."

You're attempting to create a contradiction where there isn't one.
So, either you're simply naive regarding cultural context and styles of writing between authors, or you're simply being obtuse. Either way you're incorrect. Archeology now shows that there were two (2) villages known as Bethlehem. One in Judea, and one in Galilee.

http://archive.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts...

Have a nice week.:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172925 Jul 24, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Bob. You finally got a censor's warning from the Topixbot, this is a first for you, isn't it?
Black power, maybe? Hmmmmm......
I have no idea why it flagged "bl#ck powder" but replacing the vowel seemed to spoof it well enough.

But it's not the first time for me-- I typically go back and use a synonym or else deliberate misspelling (as in the above).

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172926 Jul 24, 2013
Ya back then people got cities mixed up all the time! Nazareth... Bethlehem... Eh it's all got sand and unwashed inbreeds what's the difference eh?

Lmfao!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172927 Jul 24, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Just a brief post before I leave for the week:
You included "qualifiers" such as the word "honestly" and assumptions such as "unaware." I'll answer your question just to prove your assumption as incorrect as you are :)
Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Bethlehem is the "City of David."
You're attempting to create a contradiction where there isn't one.
So, either you're simply naive regarding cultural context and styles of writing between authors, or you're simply being obtuse. Either way you're incorrect. Archeology now shows that there were two (2) villages known as Bethlehem. One in Judea, and one in Galilee.
http://archive.archaeology.org/0511/abstracts...
Have a nice week.:D
But **none** named Nazareth until nearly a century after the "blessed events".

So "Jesus of Nazareth" is a lie?

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#172928 Jul 24, 2013
Back then people also mixed up things like a house and a barn. They would say... House, manger... Eh they both got jackasses in them having sex with your wife what's the difference?

Lmfao!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172929 Jul 24, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Back then people also mixed up things like a house and a barn. They would say... House, manger... Eh they both got jackasses in them having sex with your wife what's the difference?

Lmfao!
Givemeliberty wrote:

I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
<quoted text>

"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!

You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa
Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

"if I didn't have the strong secular morals"

Please you've got to be kidding me!

No more I can't take it!

Baaaaahaaaaaahaaaaa

Please stop!!!!

Lol BAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA !!!!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172930 Jul 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<hateful lies deleted>
Please explain why your god has to kill something before he can manage to forgive.

Can you explain this limitation of your god?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#172931 Jul 24, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
http://washington.cbslocal.com /2013/07/23/poll-majority-of-a mericans-believe-god-played-ro le-in-human-evolution/

God and evolution.
A majority of Americans are stupid.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#172932 Jul 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshit.

But that's your best move, apart from outright lying, is BS.

Isn't it?

Your pathetic attempts to denigrate your enemies-- to show them some "love" (in the Orwellian sense, naturally)falls flat.

Your Jewsus would be so **not** proud of you.
Dave is our resident comedian.

He's always good for a laugh.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172933 Jul 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain why your god has to kill something before he can manage to forgive.

Can you explain this limitation of your god?
Limitation? LOL

I would explain it but I won't, not to you at least.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172934 Jul 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Limitation? LOL
I would explain it but I won't, not to you at least.
Yes, it appears your god is QUITE LIMITED.

He cannot muster up enough God MoJo to FORGIVE, unless he tastes BLOOD--

-- a LOT of blood-- a WHOLE BEING must die.

Can you explain why?

If you cannot-- I understand-- you are simply a drone, who lacks any and all comprehension about the god you serve.
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#172935 Jul 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Limitation? LOL
I would explain it but I won't, not to you at least.
Then explain it to me you coward. Why does your God revel in killing? He apparently enjoys murdering little babies and destroying unborn fetuses, although anyone seems fair game for this psychopath. So.....pony up there buck.....why does your God so enjoy killing?......Can't answer can ya.........cat got yer tongue..........yeah, I thought so!!!!!
25or6to4

Fond Du Lac, WI

#172936 Jul 24, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Then why believe in any kind of God? To what advantage is there to you believing that God is "unapproachable mysteriousness?" If so, then your belief is totally worthless!!!
God is thought of as a person because that is the only frame of reference we have. God is portrayed as a being that in fact does get angry, does communicate, has plans, and has a message for humanity, that is the stance of Christianity. Jesus was a human, the Christian doctrine has Jesus/God/the holy spirit as ONE entity.
I find any idea of God worthless, the belief in a God being has absolutely no advantage over not believing.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I agree that belief in a "non-person" kind of God would not hold much value, other than just being overwhelmed by the incomprehensible. But in my view, if God is not "person-like," then God could be quantum fluctuations, dark energy, the Big Bang, or any number of phenomenon that we don't totally understand. That certainly doesn't give one any moral compass or hope of redemption, but does instill humility. As for Christianity, I always thought that one of its most appealing aspects is that, if you believe, then God becomes tangible, relatable, and yes, lovable. There's certainly an appealing beauty in to be found in the "God becomes man" ideology. On the other hand, I also think it opens the door for some to portray "what God (Jesus) wants" in terms of their own all-too-human personal agendas (e.g., God really gets offended by homosexuality, or God blesses my country because he's a great fan of capitalism, or God just created a hurricane to punish immoral people, well... the list goes on and on.) Again, thanks for your well-measured and reflective comment. I appreciate it.

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