Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Atheists are wimps when it comes to being defeated. They always have to scurry to the mods to bail them out when their widdle feelings are hurt.
They are nothing because they have nothing.
Oh yes, because you have never threatened to report anybody rrriiiigggghhhhttttt? lol. I personally have happiness, and loving family and friends...I have very little nothing in my life. Since you seem to need to frequent local restaurants, and coffee shops to attempt to make friends by talking badly about other people and pestering them while they eat...One can only assume that you don't have very much....it especially shows in your very over sized ego. One wonders, if your "god" does exist, and you do make it to this so called heaven,....what will your "god" have to say for your life, and actions....I wonder if you would finally take responsibility for your hatefulness while staring into the eyes of your "god". It is one hope that I have for you, that if your "god" does exist and if your "hell" does exist, that your "god" will look at you in shame and throw your ass into that fiery pit that you shamelessly try to condemn other people to...lol...a woman can dream peacefully when the dreams are of perfect and ironic justice :D

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Roman Apologist wrote:
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You brought up a completely different subject. The assassination of JFK is a different historical event. It's a modern event in a Western literary, low-context culture, whereas the accounts of Jesus were transmitted and passed on by oral tradition by an ancient high-context culture. That's why I didn't give a lengthy reply. There's just no comparison. If you disagree, you'll have to explain how they're similar.


Quite simple the assassination of JFK was:-
1. Filmed
2. Photographed
3. Witnessed by thousands
4. Well documented
5. In living memory

Yet still subject to controversy and conspiracy theories to this day.

The bibull can claim none of these. Yet people center their whole on it.

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Jul 20, 2013
 
He hates facts.
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<quoted text>Why did you carefully avoid my post?

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Jul 20, 2013
 
You asked for those who stated otherwise and I demonstrated those historians. Your opinion is irrelevant if you are unable to back it with facts.

Just as you cowered away from my point for point dissection of your previous post... Again.

You still have been unable to answer a single one of my questions nor refute a single fact I have posted. It seems you think your opinions trump facts yes?
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>They're smart, but incorrect. But that's just my opinion.

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Jul 20, 2013
 
You're the one unable to answer questions. Who's desperate again?
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<quoted text>Their desperation is almost impossible to watch.

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He hates facts.
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What godbot doesn't?

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Jul 20, 2013
 
You obviously don't even know what pigeon chess means. Your boasting and bragging means nothing again because you have no facts to back them up.

Still waiting for the source if your hehe ten methods and the proof that the gospels meet these. Many apologetic scholars would even tell you the gospels are unable to do those 10. Oh and lol both your parents are retired historians! Perhaps they can educate on how ignorant you sound. I asked for a source not a link to a book I would have to buy that may or may not include as you claim. Your links,which are opinion pieces, do not claim as you say they do and even then it does not answer in the slightest my question as to why the gospels do not match up! You still have cowered and hid from that question! Can't mommy and daddy hold your hand and muster a semi reasonable answer, after all they are retired historians lol yes?

Wow you sure do belch your opinions without a shred of knowledge or proof. Not a fact to be found anywhere in your post. Unable to refute a single one of my facts or answer even one of my questions you like a typical christhole try to turn it around saying I am the one who is angry? Taking it personally?:))

Far from it. I am trying to see if you are able to even remotely debate your side. So far you are unable to answer even the simplest question and are more interested in belching your opinion. You do realize that in real conversation and debate adults are generally required to answer questions and not run in fear right?

How your faith and lol historian parents have failed you.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Cowered away? Mr. Liberty, do you know why I don't answer you on your terms? It's your tone. I asked if you know what I mean by that, and you haven't answered yet. Did you "cower away?" LOL I did offer you some websites to examine, and I also have a written publication which lists the 10 methods. In addition, both of my parents were professional historians.

http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Legend -

Givemeliberty wrote, "You are being destroyed by the atheists you know....

I choose to learn from each situation I find myself in. I'm not out to prove anything conclusively.

You seem to be taking this a little too personally.
When you can discuss these subjects in a civilized manner, like Polymath, Quantum Bob, Scaritual, blacklagoon, and Albtraum, I'll be glad to offer thoughts, facts, opinions, reflections with you. Until then, go play pigeon chess.

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Jul 20, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Psychologists have long understood that traumatic memories are much more likely to be remembered accurately. What could be more traumatic than seeing your best friend killed in such a gruesome manner as crucifixion? Of course, if you want to get into the Judaic context of why Jesus said what he did, which is theological in nature, I'll be glad to do so.
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I would like to point out one flaw in your discussion here. First of all, it was at one time believed that traumatic events were, indeed, the most accurate memories of all. It was considered a maxim in Psychology circles.

Not so, anymore. The research done on 'false memories' of adults who were molested as children, not to mention modern studies on 'battle fatigue' aka PTSD find that there is a marked difference in accuracy and in perceived accuracy.

It has also been found that the 'memory' of an NDE changes with the telling over the years, these stories tend to grow....much like the fish that got away.

Personally, this seems to be true. My brother, sister and I all witnessed the same traumatic event.....and we each had our own unique point of view. It seems we all focused on certain details while completely missing others, or did the mind just blank out what was too overwhelming?

Having also gone through an NDE, I don't know whether my memory now is accurate as I told no one when it actually happened. I was alive and that was enough.

Your presuppositions are your own bias....as mine are;0)

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Another gutless atheist showing how worthless his life is.
Thanks for testifying.

There are cookies on the way out.

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Just Results wrote:
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Another gutless atheist showing how worthless his life is.
How so, Mr. "Jesus is love"?

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Jul 20, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
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How do you come to the conclusion that any changes in spelling changed the definition when there were measures in place to prevent that very outcome?
Ironically, the unsinkable Titanic popped into my head immediately. It was so seaworthy that lifeboats were practically unnecessary.

My answer would be human frailty.

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Apparently he has a new definition of the word love.
Yes, from the Marquis de Sade Church of Perpetual Whoopi.

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Cowered away? Mr. Liberty, do you know why I don't answer you on your terms? It's your tone. I asked if you know what I mean by that, and you haven't answered yet. Did you "cower away?" LOL I did offer you some websites to examine, and I also have a written publication which lists the 10 methods. In addition, both of my parents were professional historians before they retired. So I do have some first-hand knowledge. If you choose not to believe me, feel free to continue on in your ignorance. I really can't stop you. The written source by the way, is 'Lord or Legend? Wrestling with the Jesus Dilemna' by Gregory A. Boyd, and Paul Rhodes Eddy. They list the ten methods almost verbatim to the notes I have from my classes. Here's the Amazon link for the book, and a link to my reply which either you didn't see, or completely glossed over and dismissed without looking.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
http://www.amazon.com/Lord-Legend-Wrestling-J...
http://staff.kings.edu/bapavlac/evalsources.h...
https://www.ischool.utexas.edu/~palmquis/cour...
http://www.nps.gov/history/Nr/twhp/Prof_Dev_P...
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The only thing you're proving is how NOT to debate. But, if it makes you feel better to grant yourself a victory, by all means go for it. To you, it's all about winning and losing and making yourself feel better right? I could honestly care less if you think of this as a win/lose contest. I don't. I do this in the real world where people have a sense of decency and good manners, and I see results. I never count any debate as a win or as a loss. I choose to learn from each situation I find myself in. I'm not out to prove anything conclusively. That would be unrealistic and arrogant if I thought I was going to have that impact.
You seem to be taking this a little too personally. Why?
Do you think I have all the time in the world to spend here on TOPIX answering your every snide remark? I don't.
When you can discuss these subjects in a civilized manner, like Polymath, Quantum Bob, Scaritual, blacklagoon, and Albtraum, I'll be glad to offer thoughts, facts, opinions, reflections with you. Until then, go play pigeon chess by yourself.
When you're brave enough to prove the god you're here to lie to us about, your opinions will matter more.

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You brought up a completely different subject. The assassination of JFK is a different historical event. It's a modern event in a Western literary, low-context culture, whereas the accounts of Jesus were transmitted and passed on by oral tradition by an ancient high-context culture. That's why I didn't give a lengthy reply. There's just no comparison. If you disagree, you'll have to explain how they're similar.
Do you really believe that your mental illness is absolute universal truth?

You need help.
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Yep.
Why is there a need for a god.
If at this moment in time no one on Earth believed in 'god' would religion of any form start, if so why and where would start?
Easy answer. ;)

It would be ignorant people, the most uneducated, the most unimaginative, the most unthinking among us.
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Jul 21, 2013
 
The problem with religitard socks like "Atheism is [insert negative here]" is that they judge everyone by their very low standards.

If they raised their standards, the world would be a better place to live.

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If you are trying say I am sock puppet of BOQF that would be impossible, we are not even in the hemisphere.
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Still waiting for the source if your hehe ten methods and the proof that the gospels meet these. Many apologetic scholars would even tell you the gospels are unable to do those 10.
LOL. The authors of that book ARE apologetic scholars. And you can look inside the first few pages of the book at the table of contents and the section is listed right there. Go ahead and look. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1608999548/ref=asc_d...
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Your links,which are opinion pieces, do not claim as you say they do and even then it does not answer in the slightest my question as to why the gospels do not match up! You still have cowered and hid from that question!
The gospels do match up in several significant ways. They all attest to the existence of a Jewish Rabbi who pissed off the religious/political establishment and got himself crucified. They all attest to the cultural and political climate of that time in Israeli history. They all attest to the belief that Christ rose from the dead and that this was the basis for the beginning of the Christian church. The differences you see are really the signature of eyewitness accounts, and add validity to these accounts. If the writers were making it up, we wouldn't see as many discrepancies as we do. The methodology is to separate the discrepancies to the point that you can see where they all agree.

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Unable to refute a single one of my facts or answer even one of my questions you like a typical christhole try to turn it around saying I am the one who is angry? Taking it personally?:))
You presented facts? Where? I sure didn't see them. I saw assertions laced with ridicule and not backed up by any source material or logical coherent arguments. Do you have any sources (and yes books count) to back up your assertions?

Why did you use the word "angry" in conjunction with the attempted insult "christhole"? Seems like you are taking it personally. Perhaps because I won't play your childish little game?:)
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You do realize that in real conversation and debate adults are generally required to answer questions and not run in fear right?
Absolutely correct. It's ironic that you have mentioned this when that's all you have done. Hypocritical even. I'm sure that Polymath and Quantum Bob have the intellectual integrity to at least admit I hold up my end in civil conversation. So let's just cut to the chase and dispense with the bullshit shall we?

1) I am not on your time schedule. I have a personal life outside of TOPIX. I will answer what I want, when I want. If I don't know the answer, I'll tell you. If I'm offering speculative opinion, I'll admit it as I already have on numerous occasions.

2) I am not here to get into a pissing contest or "win". I present arguments and concepts knowing full well that smart people will attempt to shoot them down with their own decent arguments. That's what I want and fully expect. And when I say 'decent' I mean in both substance AND civility. Of course there will be people with less intellectual integrity who resort to childish methods such as name calling and double standard hypocrisy.(No names mentioned as I look in your direction and cough derisively.)

3) When I do answer a question, it will be on my terms. Not yours. If i feel the need to lay a framework to support my assertions in advance, I'll do so. I don't need your permission. In other words, I'm not going to be pigeon-holed by your steam-roller tactics of bombarding me with questions. I'm not going to give you short answers just to shut you up.

Feel free to be "angry" and call me more names. It will reveal your lack of intellectual integrity and make you a poster child FOR theism.

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He was also horribly wronged.
very true notice his absence from many history books
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