I do not, in principle, disagree.<quoted text>
I'm not trying to deflect Bob. Allow me to explain.
I think the word faith has been given multiple definitions over the years based upon mistaken perceptions. My blunt opinion is that faith=trust.
But trust is based on ... what?
In my case? I freely admit I have faith in chair-shaped objects: my faith extends such that I freely sit on these things, without checking them first (to see if they will hold me up).
That is faith and trust too-- but it's based on **life** experiences of actual sitting on actual chairs.
So my faith in chairs is based on real world experiences-- which I can easily repeat at any time, if I need to.
Can the same be claimed about gods?
Because the faith/trust **must** come **first** with respect to all gods.
Without this faith/trust? YOU DO NOT BELIEVE.
It really does boil down to that one.
My faith in chairs? Is **not** the same as your faith in gods.
Not at all--
-- for one thing? I keep confirming my chair-faith, every time I sit down and **do not fall**.
You have nothing even remotely similar, with respect to your faith in gods-- moreover, you **had** to create your god-faith **prior** to "experiencing" any god phenomena.
Again, in contrast to my chair-faith--which I can start out as 100% skeptical about chairs-- and then? I can test my skepticism, by-- at first-- gently pushing on the chair, then gingerly sitting.
Viola! My skepticism with regards to the chair was unjustified.
And my faith/trust comes **after**, my real-world experiences.
Your god-faith? Cannot possibly come after.