Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.
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#172164
Jul 15, 2013
 
I deleted your rambling. Cower away because when asked a question you cower away.

I came to my conclusion on the NT based on secular historical findings. When you study the history of the region and time period you see several examples of former messiah son of god, die and raise from the dead 3 days later.

Your titanic example has no merit in this case because they did not wait decades if not over a century to document the tragedy, also we still have eye witnesses to the event yes?

We have documentation from the years Jesus was said to walk the earth in his area about fishing disputes and pottery techniques. Historical documentation of a Roman soldier getting a promotion for Pete's sake... But this guy who rises from the grave bringing hundreds of formerly dead Jewish prophets with him doesn't get noticed?

Hmmmm he must have done it on a busy day at the fish market or during a pottery sale eh?

And yes you have no answer for this, I expect you will cower away or try to change the subject.
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Cower away?

Would you please clarify your statement?
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Okay, how did you come to that conclusion?

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With regard to the story of the store keeper and snooty customer, I think I understand the difference in our opinions. I interpreted it as a story of moral principle,(like one of Aesop's Fables) while you understood it in the context of business ethics. From your viewpoint, within that context, you would be correct. I think this is one of the differences that keep atheists and theists from understanding each other. Our perspectives are different, and so are our concerns.
Even as a parable, the story fails. The store owner returned rudeness with even worse rudeness.

At worst, the smartazz would-be customer insulted the store owner and/or his store. Big deal. As a public servant, he ought to be quite used to such boorish behavior by now.

But what he did in return? He caused deliberate harm! He wasted the entire afternoon of the other man, and possibly got him dangerously lost-- could have happened.

All because of his pride.

Two rude behaviors do not a lesson teach.

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#172166
Jul 15, 2013
 
Hmmm I'll wait for you to be able to factually prove me wrong okay Senile Dave?:)
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No, I am waiting for your diaper to be changed.
You are a little stinky butt.

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Joe Fortuna wrote:
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:O) I always have a smile for my customers, rude or not.
a male ho like you should smile after gargling a pair

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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:O) I always have a smile for my customers, rude or not.
As do I.

It costs me nothing-- and if they are a bit rude? My smile rubs it in that I'm taking the high road, and they are not.

:D

I'd much rather be a bit smug, as I take the checks to the bank, than to get the dubious "satisfaction" of one-upping a now-former customer...

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#172169
Jul 15, 2013
 
Funny how they cringe in fear when you ask them what church they attend eh? Totally ashamed of their church.
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<quoted text>why do you want to know About Bro. Love's traveling salvaction show???

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
As I understand it, Constantine did listen at the council, and did offer ideas and suggestions, but not as the sole authority. He basically appointed himself as judge or speaker of the house, for the purpose of keeping order during the council. His main concern was order and peace rather than theological doctrine. This he largely left to the bishops.
If he was merely judge, then why-- over the objections of nearly everyone there-- why did he railroad Revelations into cannon?

Unless he had an agenda to fulfill....

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Oh a picture of Jesus!
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<quoted text>you can kiss some of this Christhole (_*_)

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#172172
Jul 15, 2013
 
The vote was against revelations being put in the bible... Yes all of the books in your myth were voted on like a top 10 video count down. The words of God voted on and placed in by non believers lol!

And I won't even get into all of the books that were rewritten and heavily edited at the different councils... Oh yes there was more than one.
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The inclusion of Revelations as I understand it was hotly contested. Many didn't want it included. But the Council of Nicea wasn't about canonizing the NT, but about unifying the Church as a whole.
The Church historian Eusebius was believed to be on friendly terms with Constantine, so we can't be sure how much bias there was in his accounts. This is an honest and fair thing to say. But in light of that, there is no reason to believe that Eusebius was dishonest either. Unless there are very good reasons to dismiss Eusebius' account of what happened at Nicea, then it is generally conceded that his account is accurate.
As I understand it, Constantine did listen at the council, and did offer ideas and suggestions, but not as the sole authority. He basically appointed himself as judge or speaker of the house, for the purpose of keeping order during the council. His main concern was order and peace rather than theological doctrine. This he largely left to the bishops.
We can get into a long discussion about Constantine if you wish.
Oh by the way-
With regard to the story of the store keeper and snooty customer, I think I understand the difference in our opinions. I interpreted it as a story of moral principle,(like one of Aesop's Fables) while you understood it in the context of business ethics. From your viewpoint, within that context, you would be correct. I think this is one of the differences that keep atheists and theists from understanding each other. Our perspectives are different, and so are our concerns.

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#172173
Jul 15, 2013
 
Yahweh/Jesus must have been too damn busy at that pottery sale that took historical precedence over the documenting of Jesus.

Fantastic bargains were to be had after all!:))
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If he was merely judge, then why-- over the objections of nearly everyone there-- why did he railroad Revelations into cannon?
Unless he had an agenda to fulfill....

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Jul 15, 2013
 
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Yahweh/Jesus must have been too damn busy at that pottery sale that took historical precedence over the documenting of Jesus.
Fantastic bargains were to be had after all!:))
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Indeed.

If Jesus was historical, and was divine?

Why did he not take **godly** steps to ensure his message-- his unambiguous message-- made it properly through history?

It's almost as if he wanted it to become garbled.

Or?

As if he was busy elsewhere....

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Oh a picture of Jesus!
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now you believe Jesus exist!!!! way to go
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#172176
Jul 15, 2013
 
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>why do atheist $#&T in their pants?
I didn't know they did, after they where older than one or two.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
Roman Apologist wrote:
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But the Council of Nicea wasn't about canonizing the NT, but about unifying the Church as a whole.
Get one thing clear in your mind here.

The Council of Nicea was to solidify an Empire, to do so meant.

To make the made up bull shit match, so everybody could be taught to believe the same lies.

Cant have one side the Empire arguing about the color of holy underwear with the other. We all gots to have the same underpants. AND by my decree , from this day forward ...It is the word of GOD!

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#172178
Jul 15, 2013
 
No, you could make a picture of Homer Simpson the same way but that doesn't mean that I would believe that Homer Simpson was anything more than a work of fiction.

In desperation mode trying to change the subject I see. When I asked you what church you belonged to you ran and hid as expected. So ashamed of your religion eh? You must be a Mormon or something.
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<quoted text>now you believe Jesus exist!!!! way to go

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Jul 15, 2013
 
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>so darling you admit GOD exist??? it is finish
Oh darlin...What was said was "if god did exist"... re-read it. That was a good attempt at making it to a non-existant finish line first though ;)

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#172180
Jul 15, 2013
 
It seems as of he would be smart enough to know that timely appropriate documentation would be necessary had he existed and was even remotely above average.

Either the NT is a myth or that pottery sale was too tempting. I can see it now an angel whispers.. Hey Jesus those fools aren't writing your account yet! Jesus replies, no worries it's not like it will take 50-100 plus years right? Surely my work and words will be so well documented and popular that they won't end up being voted on with a pagan as judge! Hahaha! That would just be wacky and no thoughtful person would accept it! We would have to force conversion by the sword and spear which is expressly forbidden in my teachings! Hahahaha!

Oops

:))
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed.

If Jesus was historical, and was divine?

Why did he not take **godly** steps to ensure his message-- his unambiguous message-- made it properly through history?

It's almost as if he wanted it to become garbled.

Or?

As if he was busy elsewhere....

....!!!

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T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>are you tired of being owned by the Clown?
CLOWN OWNAGE
VICTORY
LOL...I can't be tired of something that hasn't even happened my dear.

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Jul 15, 2013
 
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Its off to work I go! Hey all my atheist peeps see my middle finger? I shall return!
Oh we know you'll be back. You must find your attention somewhere.

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#172183
Jul 15, 2013
 
Givemeliberty wrote:
Stop cowering there are thousands of variations of Christian churches from catholic to Mormon.
Which Christian denomination do you belong to.
Isn't it funny how so many Christholes are to scared to say what religion they belong to on here? Seriously I laugh at their humiliation.
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I know right!!! They can't stand to say which denomination they are. If they could just get their myths straight they could all be one big happy family lol.

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