Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#172172 Jul 15, 2013
The vote was against revelations being put in the bible... Yes all of the books in your myth were voted on like a top 10 video count down. The words of God voted on and placed in by non believers lol!

And I won't even get into all of the books that were rewritten and heavily edited at the different councils... Oh yes there was more than one.
Roman Apologist wrote:
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The inclusion of Revelations as I understand it was hotly contested. Many didn't want it included. But the Council of Nicea wasn't about canonizing the NT, but about unifying the Church as a whole.
The Church historian Eusebius was believed to be on friendly terms with Constantine, so we can't be sure how much bias there was in his accounts. This is an honest and fair thing to say. But in light of that, there is no reason to believe that Eusebius was dishonest either. Unless there are very good reasons to dismiss Eusebius' account of what happened at Nicea, then it is generally conceded that his account is accurate.
As I understand it, Constantine did listen at the council, and did offer ideas and suggestions, but not as the sole authority. He basically appointed himself as judge or speaker of the house, for the purpose of keeping order during the council. His main concern was order and peace rather than theological doctrine. This he largely left to the bishops.
We can get into a long discussion about Constantine if you wish.
Oh by the way-
With regard to the story of the store keeper and snooty customer, I think I understand the difference in our opinions. I interpreted it as a story of moral principle,(like one of Aesop's Fables) while you understood it in the context of business ethics. From your viewpoint, within that context, you would be correct. I think this is one of the differences that keep atheists and theists from understanding each other. Our perspectives are different, and so are our concerns.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#172173 Jul 15, 2013
Yahweh/Jesus must have been too damn busy at that pottery sale that took historical precedence over the documenting of Jesus.

Fantastic bargains were to be had after all!:))
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
If he was merely judge, then why-- over the objections of nearly everyone there-- why did he railroad Revelations into cannon?
Unless he had an agenda to fulfill....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172174 Jul 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yahweh/Jesus must have been too damn busy at that pottery sale that took historical precedence over the documenting of Jesus.
Fantastic bargains were to be had after all!:))
<quoted text>
Indeed.

If Jesus was historical, and was divine?

Why did he not take **godly** steps to ensure his message-- his unambiguous message-- made it properly through history?

It's almost as if he wanted it to become garbled.

Or?

As if he was busy elsewhere....

....!!!

<grin>

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172175 Jul 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Oh a picture of Jesus!
<quoted text>
now you believe Jesus exist!!!! way to go
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172176 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>why do atheist $#&T in their pants?
I didn't know they did, after they where older than one or two.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#172177 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
But the Council of Nicea wasn't about canonizing the NT, but about unifying the Church as a whole.
Get one thing clear in your mind here.

The Council of Nicea was to solidify an Empire, to do so meant.

To make the made up bull shit match, so everybody could be taught to believe the same lies.

Cant have one side the Empire arguing about the color of holy underwear with the other. We all gots to have the same underpants. AND by my decree , from this day forward ...It is the word of GOD!

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#172178 Jul 15, 2013
No, you could make a picture of Homer Simpson the same way but that doesn't mean that I would believe that Homer Simpson was anything more than a work of fiction.

In desperation mode trying to change the subject I see. When I asked you what church you belonged to you ran and hid as expected. So ashamed of your religion eh? You must be a Mormon or something.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>now you believe Jesus exist!!!! way to go

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172179 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>so darling you admit GOD exist??? it is finish
Oh darlin...What was said was "if god did exist"... re-read it. That was a good attempt at making it to a non-existant finish line first though ;)

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#172180 Jul 15, 2013
It seems as of he would be smart enough to know that timely appropriate documentation would be necessary had he existed and was even remotely above average.

Either the NT is a myth or that pottery sale was too tempting. I can see it now an angel whispers.. Hey Jesus those fools aren't writing your account yet! Jesus replies, no worries it's not like it will take 50-100 plus years right? Surely my work and words will be so well documented and popular that they won't end up being voted on with a pagan as judge! Hahaha! That would just be wacky and no thoughtful person would accept it! We would have to force conversion by the sword and spear which is expressly forbidden in my teachings! Hahahaha!

Oops

:))
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed.

If Jesus was historical, and was divine?

Why did he not take **godly** steps to ensure his message-- his unambiguous message-- made it properly through history?

It's almost as if he wanted it to become garbled.

Or?

As if he was busy elsewhere....

....!!!

<grin>

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172181 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>are you tired of being owned by the Clown?
CLOWN OWNAGE
VICTORY
LOL...I can't be tired of something that hasn't even happened my dear.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172182 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
Its off to work I go! Hey all my atheist peeps see my middle finger? I shall return!
Oh we know you'll be back. You must find your attention somewhere.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172183 Jul 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Stop cowering there are thousands of variations of Christian churches from catholic to Mormon.
Which Christian denomination do you belong to.
Isn't it funny how so many Christholes are to scared to say what religion they belong to on here? Seriously I laugh at their humiliation.
<quoted text>
I know right!!! They can't stand to say which denomination they are. If they could just get their myths straight they could all be one big happy family lol.
Tall Guy

Decatur, GA

#172184 Jul 15, 2013
All atheists are going to hell.

Revelation 21:8
King James Version (KJV)
8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172185 Jul 15, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No, you could make a picture of Homer Simpson the same way but that doesn't mean that I would believe that Homer Simpson was anything more than a work of fiction.
In desperation mode trying to change the subject I see. When I asked you what church you belonged to you ran and hid as expected. So ashamed of your religion eh? You must be a Mormon or something.
<quoted text>
I bet you are a huge fan of Glee !!!:) snicker

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172186 Jul 15, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL...I can't be tired of something that hasn't even happened my dear.
thats sad! you have been owned by Bro. Clownie the Anoitned and don't even know it!!!! my lovely I see you 0-0

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172187 Jul 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah... I don't get that either.
that atheist $#*T in their pants! me either they seem to enjoy it..

“I'm Mentally Retarded--”

Since: May 12

AND I'M LAUGHING AT YOU!!

#172188 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I bet you are a huge fan of Glee !!!:) snicker
We know you are!!!

you have just been pooped by the Great PantyPooper II!! Praise Jesus and His Short and Curlies!!!!

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172189 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you view it that way?
I see it as not punishing the snooty customer, but as giving him a chance to re-evaluate his initial behavior. Remember, the guest was the smug one and was being sneaky and under-handed about it. The shop owner merely gave the snooter an opportunity to realize it for himself.
When I reiterated that the out-of-towner had been smug and condescending you replied "So?" as if the out-of-towner had every right to treat the store owner this way without any penalty or sense of accountability. Your reply seems, on the surface, to endorse the actions of the snooty customer as somehow socially acceptable. Am I interpreting that correctly?
I'm curious as to how that view is any less arrogant than that of the store owner. The store owner could have kicked the snooty customer out. And then what would the customer learn? Would he learn humility or would he learn that he just isn't welcome in that store any longer? My thoughts upon first hearing that were that the store owner was still willing to allow the customer to come back, but instead of pointing out the customer's behavior, let him do a little work that shows him he's not as smart as he thought he was. There is no better teacher than self induced humiliation. The snooty man was not obligated to follow the owner's instructions.
The best lessons are the ones that cause us discomfort and embarrassment, because they cause us (if we're honestly observant) to realize that we're no better than the next guy, and they hold us accountable. If we're so smug and snooty that we don't recognize it for ourselves, what's the better choice? Are we to be banished by the owner with no hope of redemption; or do we learn a lasting lesson from a journey in which we come to realize it by experience and humility?
In the end, the store owner did our a snooty customer a favor, not a disservice. The disservice would have been to kick the customer out with no redemption, or to let him continue with his condescending behavior which would only encourage him to continue such behavior in the future.
What would you have done?
He didn't say that the customer had a right to be snooty. It's this simple. I work at the front desk of a motel. When a guest comes in, they know what kind of room they are looking for. If we don't have the right type of room, then I would simply send them to another motel that may. That customer, after being told I don't have the double bed room that they are looking for, may become agitated, and they may start speaking to me in an angry or frustrated tone.

I, being the "store owner", would not treat this guest/customer badly and send them 2 hours away to another motel/hotel just because they got tone with me. This person could be tired because they have been on the road for 9 hours, they could have 4 kids in the car that have been driving them insane for those hours, they could be hungry...there are many different reasons why they may be acting the way they are. Should I tell that guest to be humble and shove their 4 kids plus their wife/husband into a single queen room? No, I should not. I should try to help them as best that I can to get what they are looking for.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172190 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Okay, you have your view, and I have mine.
I interpreted it differently when I heard it.
I tend to look for the good within what seems on the surface to be negative.
This is just my opinion and I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't think you were looking for the good in this story...you were simply making the store owner look like a good guy and the customer look like a bad guy. To me that's not trying to look for the good, it's just placing blame.

The customer, if he was being rude, should have been less rude, and the store owner should have been less rude.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#172191 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
Respect runs deep in this one.
Did you learn your attitude in the church you go to?
I think he just shows up at this "church" to save face for his/her little buddies that attend. Extreme rudeness, I agree!

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