Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172139 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Is that you IQ?:O)
don't be mad! cuz Im more intellectual than you... notice your screen (_*_) take a lick if ya want to

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172140 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
In the end, the store owner did our a snooty customer a favor, not a disservice.
Indeed he did-- the customer will **never** ever shop at that store again in his life.

And he will tell everyone he knows to **never** shop there either.

And I agree: that is a favor beyond price.

The full-of-pride store owner does not deserve to be in business.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172141 Jul 15, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The story of Job is rife with free will.
Indeed. Just as long as you ignore everyone who dies in that horrid tale of terrorism and torture.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172142 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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First off even if the customer was snooty, sense when does two wrongs make a right?
Secondly because he asked for a story with more choices with a attitute, the store own took offense and sent him on a wild goose chase. Not nice.
I would of either told where he could find one, or that I did know of one. I wouldn't of sent him off to learn a lesson for wanting more than what I had, even if he had a attitude.
cry-baby! whay a P**sy

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#172143 Jul 15, 2013
Mikko wrote:
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leave topix atheism forum !
not till you get on them knees and beg Jesus to save your sorry soul...... ya hear me boy
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172144 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you think the store owner showed condescension? I never said he did. You're assuming he did. Why are you assuming that?
Yes the store owner was closing up as the snooty customer returned, not BECAUSE the snooty customer returned. The store owner was closing because it was closing time. Are you speculating on emotional and volitional grounds?
There are two types of humiliation.(Humili being the root- as in "humility")
One type is that of revenge. You're assuming that's what happened in the story I used. The other type is teaching. When we're humiliated, we're humiliated because somebody is cruel and wants to injure us, OR we've been unfair to others and when we realize it, it's humiliating, especially if we're in the company of those we treated badly. We feel awful about it. Sometimes we need to be humiliated in a kind way.
The young snooty man's behavior was the issue here. Not the merchandise, not the customer service issues, but only the cocky smugness of one man, in another man's place of business. The store owner helped the young man. He gave him excellent customer service.
He gave directions designed to redeem the young man, not cast him out without learning from it. If revenge was the goal, why bring the offender back to your own doorstep?
1) Be content with what's in front of you when in another man's home or business.
2) If not satisfied, don't be snooty. Be gracious.
3) When holding another person accountable, give them a way to learn the lesson AND redeem themselves and welcome them back when they do.
Sorry I don't see the store own doing anything other than being a smart butt. I say treat people the way you want to be treated.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172145 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
What would you have done?
As it turns out? I **am** in the business of selling things to people; I'm self employed.

The money from rude customers spends just as nicely as the money from the nicey-nice ones.

Sometimes, the rude ones are more honest.

But in the end? If a potential customer gets out of hand? I always have the option to tell them to have a nice day, walk away, and then ignore their telephone calls from henceforth.

I seldom have to do that; rudeness, I just ignore. Since I'm fixing AC's, many times their rudeness is due to being nearly overwhelmed by the heat, and I don't take it personally--even if it is said in a personal way.

But I would **never** ever deliberately cause someone harm or waste their time. That serves no one, and helps no cause.

I'd simply walk away, not looking back.

That is the best "revenge" anyhow-- living well, while a rude person will continue to be rude--and will most likely get rudeness back in return.

Evil always begats more evil-- never kindness.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172146 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Yes I know about the controversy in deciding whether Yeshua was human or divine. I do know that Constantine brought the two opposing sides to the table to decide, but I do not believe that he tried to directly influence the Council of Nicea. The evidence I've seen doesn't support that theory to the extent that sensationalist authors such as Dan Brown would have us believe.
I haven't read Dan Brown-- so I cannot say one way or another.

But you are wrong on at least one point: the group had decided to put Revelations into the apochraphia[sp] group-- but Constantine required an exclusivity clause for his newly-minted religion, so he could justify forcing by violence people to join his new club.

It's on record that Constantine overrode the will of the group in that regard.

So I have no doubts at all, that he also used his force of personality, to override other decisions too.

It does appear Constantine suffered from a massive dose of hubris, after all.

And that rather puts a negative spin on the whole project.
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172147 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>you can kiss some of this (_*_)
Are you a cyclops?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172148 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
Now as for the cursing of the fig tree, a literal reading would certainly lead us to believe that Jesus was pissed off and wished death on an out-of-season tree. When considered in that framework of thought, I understand how anyone would reach that conclusion. I came to the same conclusion myself. "Why was kind, gentle Jesus berating a bush?" Good question huh?
But-
Upon re-reading the entire chapter, and understanding a bit more of the context, I think we can understand it in a new way that actually makes sense.
A Palestinian fig tree will usually bear fruit before the leaves appear. This is unique to Palestine. When Jesus saw the tree from a distance, He noticed the leaves but not the fruit. Now another argument comes into play here. "If Jesus is God, and God is omniscient, then why didn't He know there was no fruit on it?" The answer to that is that Jesus didn't always choose to use His powers. They weren't to be misused, but to teach instead.
But now onto the object lesson that Jesus was teaching.
When Jesus got closer to the tree, He saw that even though it had leaves, it wasn't bearing any fruit. It was useless. It was decaying from disease. In ancient times, such a tree would be cut down and used for wood. Jesus was demonstrating to the disciples that Israel's political and national identity had been corrupted, and was no longer producing any useful purpose as a nation. Jesus cursed the fig tree as a warning. Not in spiteful anger. This was meant to show the disciples that the corruption of Israel was taking place from the roots up, just as the disease within the fig tree. Because of the national corruption, the nation of Israel was blind to it's own faults, and would be destroyed by Rome. This did happen in 66-70AD. The tree would be dead from the roots. The roots of Israel were diseased by the political/religious corruption of the ruling class. This is the modern understanding of this passage in it's deeper cultural and historical context.
I think you are making much more of what is essentially a bad bit of editing, here.

But that's okay-- people have been trying to read more into what it is for centuries.

And I've never heard your excuse about this variety of fig outside of religious apologists.

Never from, say, a botanist (for example).

So it rather makes me think it is a crap excuse-- that is, not really valid.
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172149 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>no! I said you was a turd
Yes I was, but I've changed myself, thanks for noticing

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172150 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Why do you think the store owner showed condescension? I never said he did. You're assuming he did. Why are you assuming that?
Yes the store owner was closing up as the snooty customer returned, not BECAUSE the snooty customer returned. The store owner was closing because it was closing time. Are you speculating on emotional and volitional grounds?
The store owner **knew** approximately how long it would take a person unfamiliar with his fabricated route, to complete.

He was a local, after all.

So he **deliberately** planed on either already being closed, or if he saw the out-of-town vehicle returning, closing early-- to deliberately deprive the would-be customer of anything he might need.

That is arrogance beyond measure.

All because of his **pride**.

How **dare** a snooty smartazz make fun of his tiny, limited shop like that?

He would show **him**...

.. and he did: he showed the out-of-towner **exactly** the sort of person the shop owner was:

A smartazz himself, full of pride, and arrogant too.

Nobody won that contest.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172151 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Sometimes your stories have a deeper meaning than what you see in them. In other words your story has been humbled, and you don't even realize it.
Indeed. This is often the case.

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#172152 Jul 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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As it turns out? I **am** in the business of selling things to people; I'm self employed.
The money from rude customers spends just as nicely as the money from the nicey-nice ones.
Sometimes, the rude ones are more honest.
But in the end? If a potential customer gets out of hand? I always have the option to tell them to have a nice day, walk away, and then ignore their telephone calls from henceforth.
I seldom have to do that; rudeness, I just ignore. Since I'm fixing AC's, many times their rudeness is due to being nearly overwhelmed by the heat, and I don't take it personally--even if it is said in a personal way.
But I would **never** ever deliberately cause someone harm or waste their time. That serves no one, and helps no cause.
I'd simply walk away, not looking back.
That is the best "revenge" anyhow-- living well, while a rude person will continue to be rude--and will most likely get rudeness back in return.
Evil always begats more evil-- never kindness.
Okay, you have your view, and I have mine.

I interpreted it differently when I heard it.

I tend to look for the good within what seems on the surface to be negative.
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172153 Jul 15, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>cry-baby! whay a P**sy
Respect runs deep in this one.
Did you learn your attitude in the church you go to?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172154 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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First off even if the customer was snooty, sense when does two wrongs make a right?
Secondly because he asked for a story with more choices with a attitute, the store own took offense and sent him on a wild goose chase. Not nice.
I would of either told where he could find one, or that I did know of one. I wouldn't of sent him off to learn a lesson for wanting more than what I had, even if he had a attitude.
Yes-- I agree completely. Two evils do not add up to a "good".

Both people were arrogant in the story.

Both offered evil instead of good.

But the customer's evil was a small thing-- some rudeness. He was in the inferior position, having a need.

The store owner offered evil in return--instead of overlooking that small evil, and possibly making a sale. At a nice, profit-- he **was** in the superior position here, having the goods for sale.

He could have been unctuously polite, and double-charged the smartazz-- why not? He had a monopoly on small stores in that area.

He could have done it with a winning smile, knowing full well the nice profit he was making off of a fool.

Now **that** would have been a funny story.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172155 Jul 15, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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Sorry I don't see the store own doing anything other than being a smart butt. I say treat people the way you want to be treated.
I agree completely.

I am, rarely, treated rudely. I always simply ask them to have a nice day, and walk away-- certain I do not need to put up with that, but equally certain they need my services more than I need their rudeness.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172156 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Okay, you have your view, and I have mine.
I interpreted it differently when I heard it.
I tend to look for the good within what seems on the surface to be negative.
There can be no possible **good** from the extremely rude behavior on the part of the store owner.

None.

Did the former-and-now-never-a customer learn anything? Not really-- apart from **never** shopping at that rude store again.

Did the store owner learn anything? No again-- he is **literally** poorer for being a smartazz.

And who knows how many potential customers he lost, by behaving so rudely?

There is **nothing** good in that story. Nothing.
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172157 Jul 15, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Indeed. This is often the case.
I think it has something to do with the christian mind set, it can only be what you've been told it is, and nothing can change thier minds.
Joe Fortuna

Arcata, CA

#172158 Jul 15, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
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Okay, you have your view, and I have mine.
I interpreted it differently when I heard it.
I tend to look for the good within what seems on the surface to be negative.
So the good you see in your story is the store owner teaching the customer a lesson by acting the same way?

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