Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

There are 244829 comments on the Webbunny tumblelog story from Jul 18, 2009, titled Atheism requires as much faith as religion?. In it, Webbunny tumblelog reports that:

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Webbunny tumblelog.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#171867 Jul 13, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a straw man. The truth.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a straw man. The truth.
No, it is a straw man, and it results from the point that since the person doesn't agree with your assertion, you then label them something that you feel you can argue against, without addressing or rebutting the actual point(S) raised.

It's a weak tactic on your part. and obvious.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#171868 Jul 13, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
This entire article quibbles over the use of the word "Christians" and has nothing to do with the existence of Jesus or any orthodox Christian doctrine. Now that's a straw man fallacy.
No, it actually has to do with the alteration from the actual word used, "Chrestians", which does not mean the same as "Christians", which the word had been altered to read as.

It's established and calls into question the writing by Tacitus, since it has been altered.

Ultraviolet light reveals the change clearly and conclusively.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#171869 Jul 13, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
Whew! What a trip.....I had a flashback to the 60's! I may need to lay down for awhile.
Dave who???
*The Dave Nelson*







That's who.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#171870 Jul 13, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text><quoted text>No, it is a straw man, and it results from the point that since the person doesn't agree with your assertion, you then label them something that you feel you can argue against, without addressing or rebutting the actual point(S) raised.
It's a weak tactic on your part. and obvious.
Creationists are not accustomed to the world getting smarter about cults yet.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#171871 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe you.
I don't care.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171872 Jul 13, 2013
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>
you're cute.
What's that white spot on your nose.
Ewwwwww, ewwwww, I don't want to know.
Never mind.
kiss this (_*_)

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171873 Jul 13, 2013
atheism is evil wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists are such ugly and hateful people.
Another great post

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171874 Jul 13, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Josephus mentions Hercules over a dozen times. Shall we then accept Hercules, who was... the son of god, born to a virgin, performed miracles, walked on water, raised the dead, fought a seven headed dragon and even went into the flames of Hell to stare down the ( devil ) also existed?
Hey! Wait a minute! Those deeds and facts about Hercules which pre dates Jesus by centuries sounds mighty familiar!
Hmmm I seem to remember another god myth made in the same region that shared much of those same things!
Who was that again? Let's see.. Son of God who was born of a virgin woman? Who does that sound like? Hmmm walked on water, who else did that again? Miraculously heals the sick and even raises the dead... Wasn't there another son of god that did that centuries later? Is said to fight an evil dragon with 7 heads? It seems there was another son of god that is noted to do that centuries later yes? Let's see Hercules dies as a sacrifice in a humbling, humiliating painful way but then ascends to Heaven giving his followers words of comfort and wisdom as he in front of thousands goes into the heavens. It seems like there was a more Jewish version of that centuries later... What son of god was that again who did the same things, written about in the same region, centuries later?? Hmm... Oh ya!
Jesus
<quoted text>
its your word agaist billions! atheist the few the dumb!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171875 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
Translation:-
"Don't confuse me with facts"
The bible messes with yo mund huh! 1 cor 2-14

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171876 Jul 13, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The essence of the creationist defence.
The atheist defence is atheist are dumb..

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171877 Jul 13, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't care.
I don't believe you

“a.k.a. GhostWriter2U”

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#171878 Jul 13, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it actually has to do with the alteration from the actual word used, "Chrestians", which does not mean the same as "Christians", which the word had been altered to read as.
It's established and calls into question the writing by Tacitus, since it has been altered.
Ultraviolet light reveals the change clearly and conclusively.
But this doesn't indicate that Tacitus didn't write it. This is clearly a case of a later scribe correcting what was believed to be a misspelling. In ancient Rome, Christians were commonly called Chrestians because they (and Tacitus) had previously thought that Chrestus was a name rather than a title. They had mistranslated "Christ" which is the Hebrew word for "Messiah". That a later scribe corrected the misspelling doesn't mean that Tacitus didn't write it. In fact, none of the original Annals of Rome exist anymore. We have copies. Spelling corrections were common in those days. It doesn't change the meaning at all. Teachers correct spelling errors every day. Does that mean the student didn't write the paper?

Now, as to your charge that I'm erecting straw men, go ahead and prove me wrong by answering my questions honestly.

1) Do you accept the Tacitus history of Augustus Caesar as accurate?

2) Do you accept the Josephus historical account of Herod Agrippa?

3) Do you accept Pliny the Younger's description of the Mount Vesuvius volcanic eruption as accurate?

I will accept answers of yes or no to these questions. They're simple. Either you accept them or you don't.

But-

If you do accept all of them as historically accurate, then it shows you have bias against only those passages that speak of Jesus or make any kind of reference to him as a historical person.

If you don't accept them as historically accurate, then we might as well just wipe out all we know of ancient Hebrew and Roman history since these are probably our very best historians from that era in human history.

Either way, you've cornered yourself. Now go ahead and wiggle out of this conundrum.

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#171879 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>The bible messes with yo mund huh! 1 cor 2-14
"only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils--God is father and mother, the father of fathers, and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of his own form, and the fashioner of His own body--God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in members--God hath made the universe, and He hath created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be."

The Book of the Dead

See I can make meaningless quotes too from a book of myths.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171880 Jul 13, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
"only man liveth. He giveth life to man, He breatheth the breath of life into his nostrils--God is father and mother, the father of fathers, and the mother of mothers. He begetteth, but was never begotten; He produceth, but was never produced; He begat himself and produced himself. He createth, but was never created; He is the maker of his own form, and the fashioner of His own body--God Himself is existence, He endureth without increase or diminution, He multiplieth Himself millions of times, and He is manifold in forms and in members--God hath made the universe, and He hath created all that therein is; He is the Creator of what is in this world, and of what was, of what is, and of what shall be."
The Book of the Dead
See I can make meaningless quotes too from a book of myths.
what you call a myth! Billions call the truth! only a hand full of lost dumb atheist call it a myth.. you are just one of the dumb
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#171881 Jul 13, 2013
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a warped description. Very warped. Let's start with "Grace".
What is grace? Grace is divine love bestowed freely upon people. Eternal favor and love from one who is not required to give it, but does so anyway. We are saved by God's grace. Jesus' death on the cross was a blood oath that we are saved by God's grace. When a gift is given, it's up to the recipient to decide whether or not the gift will be accepted. If we truly appreciate the gift, we want to give something back. What can we give an omnipotent God that he doesn't already have? Our love and our loyalty. That requires thought. It requires that we think about our actions and how they affect others.
Out of that appreciation and deep thought springs forth a new desire to serve others. In that service, we can donate our time, our money, our energy, our talents. We don't do it for publicity. We do it because the unfortunate need it more than we do.
Are there crooks and scammers in our midst who would like us to believe they're true Christians? Yep.
Are there self-righteous bigots who think they're holier-than-thou and everyone else is going to hell in a hand-basket? Yep.
What does that show?
It shows that people with less than honest intentions can misrepresent others in relation to a specific group.
Does it mean the entire theological basis of Christianity is false? No.
RUBBISH!

Others... long before you're saviour said this... and it says a lot.

Essentially this concept is old as civilized man... There is nothing original about it in your religion.

"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE

"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE

"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE

"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE

"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE

"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#171882 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>The atheist defence is atheist are dumb..
Cowardly liar with no proof of god, who tried to misdirect by changing the subject.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#171883 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>what you call a myth! Billions call the truth! only a hand full of lost dumb atheist call it a myth.. you are just one of the dumb
more christians in prison than any other religion. I guess you guys are top at all the great stuff, even crimes...

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171884 Jul 13, 2013
Hazard of his men's room job along with busted knees.
River Tam wrote:
<quoted text>you're cute.

What's that white spot on your nose.

Ewwwwww, ewwwww, I don't want to know.

Never mind.
Imhotep

Orlando, FL

#171885 Jul 13, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>The bible messes with yo mund huh! 1 cor 2-14
Not at all!
I find it lousy reading, unfit for a child.

Any random sampling of the wanton violence and vulgarity in the Bible bears repeating because people tend to forget that it's there.

They pick and choose their Bible verses very carefully (looking for those pearls in the dung) and act like the other stuff doesn't matter.

It matters.

No "holy" book should include a description of women singing and dancing in the streets because "Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands." (1 Samuel 18:7)

That calls for party time?

Not in a civilized world.

But in the Bible it's kill, kill, kill.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#171886 Jul 13, 2013
My facts against others opinions you mean.

Facts win every time... And you know it.

Pssssst you have some man yogurt on your nose from your last men's room client.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>its your word agaist billions! atheist the few the dumb!

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

NCAA Basketball Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 4 min Nostrilis Waxman 1,263,215
News Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision (Jan '08) 48 min Brian_G 310,329
What role do you think humans play in global wa... (Sep '14) 22 hr The Fact Is 6,467
News UCLA FOOTBALL NOTEBOOK: Neuheisel says Prince w... (Sep '10) Wed tom wingo 29,850
News Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex ma... (Aug '10) Wed RiccardoFire 201,854
News San Diego State basketball: Four-star prospect ... Jul 25 Fart news 2
The Email Address Debacle: Did Hillary Do Somet... Jul 25 xxxrayted 1,714
More from around the web