Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171403 Jul 9, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Weak minded creationist troll who isn't brave enough to prove the god he's here to lie to us about!
You people are mentally ill and we are not your doctors.
And atheist are
slaves to sin,
homosexuals,
thieves,
drunkards,
slanderers,
swindlers,
wicked,

Just to name a few!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171404 Jul 9, 2013
who ever judged me mean & nuts can kiss my (_*_)

“Wrath”

Since: Dec 10

Is revenant

#171405 Jul 9, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coptic_Orthodox_...
Note the dates preceding Constantine.
You had various churches that later met and came up with doctrines.
It is amusing how atheists can believe a vast conspiracy by disparate groups of persecuted peoples from different locales with different accounts and beliefs could have been perpetrated on the world solely through Rome some 300 years later.
Totally amazingly amusing. They love good conspiracies.

No Dave the fact is until 325 the belief was so variable from sect to sect to consolidate a fixed doctrine and standard set of scriptures was absolutely necessary. Otherwise one side of the empire is arguing about whether the nails were driven in the neck or not vs one right between the eyes, stupid crap.
Just like exists between different flavors of cryptostupidity now.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#171406 Jul 9, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Weak minded creationist troll who isn't brave enough to prove the god he's here to lie to us about!
You people are mentally ill and we are not your doctors.
do you not know how to upload a picture of yo ugly self????

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171407 Jul 9, 2013
Do show this historic proof for Jesus. Show the eye witnesses who documented him in his lifetime not decades if not centuries later.

Unless you are unable to.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>I can only provide authenticated history. Your accepting the authenticity is another matter entirely. LOL

I wrote the second question as an after-thought. Sorry if I confused you.

My question is, what is your profession?

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171408 Jul 9, 2013
Three decades later and people couldn't just make something up? Are you insane? So a Christian mentions Paul's supposed words? Yawn, was this supposed to mean something?

Secular proof Paul and more importantly Jesus existed. Letters written by believers decades after the guy died who merely mentions what he might have said doesn't count.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>Clement of Rome cites Paul in a letter dated 95 A.D. to the Church at Corinth. This letter still exists. Given that Paul is believed to have died in Rome around 66-68AD, then a thirty year gap isn't enough time to invent such a controversial leader in the early church as legend.

There was every reason to distrust Paul as a heretic and oppressor and guilty of sabotaging the early Christian movement, yet within 30 years of his death, he's being quoted in positive terms.

Chapters 5 & 47 of Clement's letter specifically mention Paul.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171409 Jul 9, 2013
Followers of a faith does not show secular proof for Jesus anymore than followers of the Hellenistic religion offer proof for Zeus.

Again, secular proof Jesus existed or you fail miserably.

It seems a guy who rose from the dead and marched into Jerusalem with hundreds of dead Jewish heroes would have been worthy of some mentions in the writings and artwork yes?

Everything I posted is verified fact and agreed upon even by the apologetic friendly Bart Erhman who states as I have posted.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing like having conflicting accounts and beliefs in your official documentation to prove it was all one gigantic conspiracy, eh? Adds that touch of real experts, don't you know? All without the benefit of mass communications or rapid transportation.

Gee, you know what, come to think of it? THE WHOLE ROMAN EMPIRE MAY NOT HAVE EXISTED!! It could have just been a conspiracy to believe it existed for some nefarious purpose.

You are ridiculous.

There was major league social disruption in the area for a hundred years after, and Rome had lots of other problems to deal with besides Judea. Lots of building and records burned during the revolts. Not only destruction from the war, but also competing ideologies and religions of the area.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171410 Jul 9, 2013
Oh and by the way senile Dave, study your history. There were such revolts long before the Jesus myth. With the works of Plato and Socrates revolts against oppression were common place.

I won't even get into how the NT writers shamelessly stole the words of Plato and Socrates and credited them to Jesus.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing like having conflicting accounts and beliefs in your official documentation to prove it was all one gigantic conspiracy, eh? Adds that touch of real experts, don't you know? All without the benefit of mass communications or rapid transportation.

Gee, you know what, come to think of it? THE WHOLE ROMAN EMPIRE MAY NOT HAVE EXISTED!! It could have just been a conspiracy to believe it existed for some nefarious purpose.

You are ridiculous.

There was major league social disruption in the area for a hundred years after, and Rome had lots of other problems to deal with besides Judea. Lots of building and records burned during the revolts. Not only destruction from the war, but also competing ideologies and religions of the area.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171411 Jul 9, 2013
You first would have to prove these so called people existed.

Religions with messiah sons of god popped up like Starbucks back then. Christianity was merely another copycat mystery cult that took off in large part due to Constantine's sword.
Roman Apologist wrote:
<quoted text>It helps to know the nature of successful conspiracies. Criminal Investigators have known this for a long time.

There are 5 conditions necessary for a conspiracy to be successful.

1) Fewest number of people possible
2) Shortest time span possible
3) Familial bonds
4) Excellent communications
5) Little or no pressure on conspirators

There are only 3 root motives for any crime.

1) Financial gain
2) Sexual lust or relationship
3) Power or influence

I find it very difficult to believe that 12 people who had reason to distrust each other (Matthew a corrupt tax collector, Peter a cowardly fisherman) made up a religion in a time when there was no efficient communication; (no cell phones or e-mail) when they were beaten and imprisoned (pressured)over a period of 15 - 20 years (before the first Gospel was written) and separated by thousands of miles (not a short time span or distance); AND that the religion strongly opposed the three root motives of financial gain, sexual lust, and the pursuit of personal power.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171412 Jul 9, 2013
Exactly and even then the so called holy books were rewritten and changed. All the groups of Christians taught wildly different versions of the myth and that makes sense as missionaries would alter it city to city group to group so it would appeal to the locals.
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>No Dave the fact is until 325 the belief was so variable from sect to sect to consolidate a fixed doctrine and standard set of scriptures was absolutely necessary. Otherwise one side of the empire is arguing about whether the nails were driven in the neck or not vs one right between the eyes, stupid crap.
Just like exists between different flavors of cryptostupidity now.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171413 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
No Dave the fact is until 325 the belief was so variable from sect to sect to consolidate a fixed doctrine and standard set of scriptures was absolutely necessary. Otherwise one side of the empire is arguing about whether the nails were driven in the neck or not vs one right between the eyes, stupid crap.
Just like exists between different flavors of cryptostupidity now.
Which means something happened back then with different perspectives on it and spread and then an official version was created distributed through the Roman church, and which was then later divided up again amongst sects.

Something happened back then.

Duh.

So much for the grand conspiracy Topix atheists love to claim. If this conspiracy originated in one place, which, BTW, is how they usually start, then you wouldn't have had that diversity before and after.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171414 Jul 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Exactly and even then the so called holy books were rewritten and changed. All the groups of Christians taught wildly different versions of the myth and that makes sense as missionaries would alter it city to city group to group so it would appeal to the locals.
<quoted text>
Who and where did the myth originate? Who started the whole thing?

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#171415 Jul 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Followers of a faith does not show secular proof for Jesus anymore than followers of the Hellenistic religion offer proof for Zeus.
Again, secular proof Jesus existed or you fail miserably.
It seems a guy who rose from the dead and marched into Jerusalem with hundreds of dead Jewish heroes would have been worthy of some mentions in the writings and artwork yes?
Everything I posted is verified fact and agreed upon even by the apologetic friendly Bart Erhman who states as I have posted.
<quoted text>
http://www.biography.com/people/socrates-9488...

Find me the secular proof of that guy.

Did he exist?

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171416 Jul 9, 2013
Yes another mystery cult revolving around a messianic son of god formed.

And?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Which means something happened back then with different perspectives on it and spread and then an official version was created distributed through the Roman church, and which was then later divided up again amongst sects.

Something happened back then.

Duh.

So much for the grand conspiracy Topix atheists love to claim. If this conspiracy originated in one place, which, BTW, is how they usually start, then you wouldn't have had that diversity before and after.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171417 Jul 9, 2013
Cult freaks, no different than all of the other mystery religions revolving around a messianic son of god at that time.

Anything else I can educate you on?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Who and where did the myth originate? Who started the whole thing?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171418 Jul 9, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>"Strawberry" Pinson, a good Christian man, right before he died:

"I'ma sayin air's at least 3 coons upinat tree, somebody me uh shotgun!"

Then he took a big breath and died.
LOL

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171419 Jul 9, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>Holy crap...do you really think if they gave a detailed explanation of where time came from that you would even accept it??? This who thread is not about where time came from. Atheism is not a religion...it's a lack thereof. It does not take faith to not have a belief in something.
Where did Time come from?
This is not a religious question.
This is not a lack of faith question.
This is a science question pertaining to your 3 myths.

Your 3 BIG Myths:

1) the Big Bang when nothing exploded
and created everything.

2) rain falling on rocks and settling in a mud puddle and spontaneous self generating life sprang forth.

3) plants evolving into plant eating animals.

And when I snap my fingers you will wake up and believe these 3 myths as if they were fact.

"SNAP"

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171420 Jul 9, 2013
Truth wrote:
<quoted text>Explain where god came from? Unlike god we know when time started.
Yes you believe you know when time started. But where did it come from?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#171421 Jul 9, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>The past.
Nope the past is part of time.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#171422 Jul 9, 2013
Are there religions formed around him that dictate people's lives? But even if Socrates didn't exist and was just made up it would be meaningless because even if Plato, let's just say for argument's sake just made him up for whatever reason, the important thing is we have the Socratic method of reasoning. Nobody is saying believing in Socrates gives you immortal life in heaven or hell. Nobody is claiming Socrates died for our sins and if you don't believe you should be abused or even put to death.

Now we have Plato's writings of Socrates which are secular, not religious.... Never heard of Plato? Aristophanes wrote and produced a play mocking him.

Oh another thing, Plato wrote about him while he was alive, he didn't wait until decades later or worse other people wrote about him claiming to be Plato.

Glad to educate you again senile Dave. Your ignorance is astounding.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text> http://www.biography.com/people/socrates-9488...

Find me the secular proof of that guy.

Did he exist?

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