Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#170961 Jul 5, 2013
At least they got brains...
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>That was the real me, little one. In a stiff cold breeze and in a serious need of a haircut. Which is a condition I am in again now. I have to drive 20 miles to get a haircut.

None of the women in my family were "lookers". They had brains, but not the looks.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#170962 Jul 5, 2013
Still waiting for that historical proof that your Jew on a stick Jesus even existed.

Or have you surrendered on that?

Atheists win... As usual.
T-Town Clown wrote:
Ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:26).

"God sent forth his Son, to redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ" (Galatians 4:4, 5, 7).

YEA JESUS CHRIST! MY LORD AND SAVIOR!

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#170963 Jul 5, 2013
Lol! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Lmfao!

Hahahaha!

Oh that was funny! Thanks for the laughs!
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>The entire Mithras comparison was answered over a hundred years ago. It has only become popular in the last 10 years among a younger generation that doesn't know the true story of the Mithras comparisons.

It is true that Mithraism was a competing religion with Christianity, but a very close look will reveal that all of these "supposed" similarities borrowed from Christianity, and not the other way around. Mithraism originated in Persia 400 years before Christ, but in a very different format. In the original format, Mithra wasn't "born of a virgin" at all. He allegedly emerged out of a rock, fully grown. Also, the whole business about having disciples is false. Mithras is often depicted in carvings with either 12 astrological signs (zodiac) or killing a bull which has nothing in common with Jesus. There are no Mithraic scriptures to tell us anything.

Comparisons to Mithras always amuse me. ;)
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#170964 Jul 5, 2013
Wreck of the Titan vs. Titanic Tragedy

Wreck of the Titan was a novel written by Morgan Robertson in 1898. It's very similar to the true story of the Titanic tragedy of 1915.

1. The "Titan" was the largest passenger ship ever built at the time according to the storyline in the novel.

1a. The Titanic was the largest passenger ship ever built when it set out on it's maiden voyage in 1915.

2. The "Titan" struck an iceberg and sank with horrible loss of life.

2a. The Titanic struck an iceberg and sank with a horrible loss of life.

3. The "Titan" was on it's maiden voyage in the month of April.

3a. The Titanic was on its maiden voyage in the month of April.

4. The six letters of the ship in Morgan Robertson's novel are T-I-T-A-N.

4a. The first six letters of the ship that sailed in 1915 are T-I-T-A-N.

5. The "Titan" had 24 lifeboats.

5a. The Titanic had 20 lifeboats.

6. The "Titan" featured an orchestra.

6a. Wait-for-it :) The Titanic featured an orchestra!

The Wreck of the Titan was published in 1898, 17 years before the Titanic set sail. Did this story cause the creation and sinking of the Titanic or otherwise inspire all of the events in that tragedy?

For your reading pleasure imtohep, I've included links to the now free e-book "Wreck of the Titan" and the original news report of the loss of the Titanic for you to compare. I'm sure you're aware of where I'm going with this. Have fun! ;)

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24880/24880-h/...

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthi...

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthi...

Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170965 Jul 5, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
The entire Mithras comparison was answered over a hundred years ago. It has only become popular in the last 10 years among a younger generation that doesn't know the true story of the Mithras comparisons.
It is true that Mithraism was a competing religion with Christianity, but a very close look will reveal that all of these "supposed" similarities borrowed from Christianity, and not the other way around. Mithraism originated in Persia 400 years before Christ, but in a very different format. In the original format, Mithra wasn't "born of a virgin" at all. He allegedly emerged out of a rock, fully grown. Also, the whole business about having disciples is false. Mithras is often depicted in carvings with either 12 astrological signs (zodiac) or killing a bull which has nothing in common with Jesus. There are no Mithraic scriptures to tell us anything.
Comparisons to Mithras always amuse me. ;)
Old myths amuse me as well, hence my curiosity with the religious - whatever flavor they savor!

Horus > Krishna > Mithras > Jesus

All cut for more or less the same cloth just a different color and length.

The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.

A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration.

The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.

Crimen Sollicitationis look it up!

The appalling 39-page document, Crimen Sollicitationis, was issued worldwide in 1962 by then Cardinal, Ratzinger, outlining procedures to protect priests accused of sexual abusing minors and sexually propositioning penitents, and how to conceal these violations.

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#170966 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Old myths amuse me as well, hence my curiosity with the religious - whatever flavor they savor!
Horus > Krishna > Mithras > Jesus
All cut for more or less the same cloth just a different color and length.
The Christian view that all intercourse outside marriage is immoral was based upon the view that all sexual intercourse, even within marriage, is regrettable.
A view of this sort, which goes against biological facts, can only be regarded by some people as a morbid aberration.
The fact that it is embedded in Christian ethics has made Christianity throughout its whole history a force tending towards mental disorders and unwholesome views of life.
Crimen Sollicitationis look it up!
The appalling 39-page document, Crimen Sollicitationis, was issued worldwide in 1962 by then Cardinal, Ratzinger, outlining procedures to protect priests accused of sexual abusing minors and sexually propositioning penitents, and how to conceal these violations.
What were the differences in their messages?
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170967 Jul 5, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
Wreck of the Titan vs. Titanic Tragedy
Wreck of the Titan was a novel written by Morgan Robertson in 1898. It's very similar to the true story of the Titanic tragedy of 1915.
1. The "Titan" was the largest passenger ship ever built at the time according to the storyline in the novel.
1a. The Titanic was the largest passenger ship ever built when it set out on it's maiden voyage in 1915.
2. The "Titan" struck an iceberg and sank with horrible loss of life.
2a. The Titanic struck an iceberg and sank with a horrible loss of life.
3. The "Titan" was on it's maiden voyage in the month of April.
3a. The Titanic was on its maiden voyage in the month of April.
4. The six letters of the ship in Morgan Robertson's novel are T-I-T-A-N.
4a. The first six letters of the ship that sailed in 1915 are T-I-T-A-N.
5. The "Titan" had 24 lifeboats.
5a. The Titanic had 20 lifeboats.
6. The "Titan" featured an orchestra.
6a. Wait-for-it :) The Titanic featured an orchestra!
The Wreck of the Titan was published in 1898, 17 years before the Titanic set sail. Did this story cause the creation and sinking of the Titanic or otherwise inspire all of the events in that tragedy?
For your reading pleasure imtohep, I've included links to the now free e-book "Wreck of the Titan" and the original news report of the loss of the Titanic for you to compare. I'm sure you're aware of where I'm going with this. Have fun! ;)
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24880/24880-h/...
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthi...
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthi...
There are weird similarities between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846. John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.

Abraham Lincoln was elected President in 1860. John F. Kennedy was elected President in 1960.

Both were shot in the back of the head in the presence of their wives.

Both wives lost their children while living in the White House.

Both Presidents were shot on a Friday.

Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy.

Both were succeeded by Southerners named Johnson.

Andrew Johnson, who succeeded Lincoln, was born in 1808. Lyndon Johnson, who succeeded Kennedy, was born in 1908.

Lincoln was shot in the Ford Theatre. Kennedy was shot in a Lincoln, made by Ford.

Lincoln was shot in a theater and his assassin ran and hid in a warehouse. Kennedy was shot from a warehouse and his assassin ran And hid in a theater.

Booth and Oswald were assassinated before their trials.

http://mobile.omg-facts.com/Celebs/There-Are-...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln –Kennedy_coincidences_urban_le gend
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170968 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
What were the differences in their messages?
This is something you would find interesting Dave.
Having toured Italy and Egypt we found it fascinating.

But I feel these old axioms pretty much sum up everything we Homo sapiens shall ever need.

what do you think? ;)

Do these need to be improved at all?

"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE

"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE

"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE

"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE

"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE

"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#170970 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
This is something you would find interesting Dave.
Having toured Italy and Egypt we found it fascinating.
But I feel these old axioms pretty much sum up everything we Homo sapiens shall ever need.
what do you think? ;)
Do these need to be improved at all?
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
My question regarded those religious figures you said were equivalent. What did they bring to mankind? what was their message? JC said you could have an afterlife if you truly believed in what he said. What did the others say?

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170971 Jul 5, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Still waiting for that historical proof that your Jew on a stick Jesus even existed.
Or have you surrendered on that?
Atheists win... As usual.
<quoted text>
H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946

When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:

“By this test, Jesus stands first.”

“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”

“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”8-9-10 JESUS WINS~~~~!
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170972 Jul 5, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
My question regarded those religious figures you said were equivalent. What did they bring to mankind? what was their message? JC said you could have an afterlife if you truly believed in what he said. What did the others say?
More or less the same thing.

With the Egyptians you needed sufficient resources to pay to be mummified. Without this there was no afterlife.

The Egyptian book of the dead is really a good read. A look into the human mind and how it ponders death.

Each has a similar background in the origin or background of their respective saviors/gods.

Too many similarities for my taste.

If I were to select a religion it would be Jainism.
I like their ideas even though I find them mythical.
There is no hatred. No war. Inner peace only sustained by living properly.

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#170973 Jul 5, 2013
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Since: Sep 08

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#170974 Jul 5, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
More or less the same thing.
With the Egyptians you needed sufficient resources to pay to be mummified. Without this there was no afterlife.
The Egyptian book of the dead is really a good read. A look into the human mind and how it ponders death.
Each has a similar background in the origin or background of their respective saviors/gods.
Too many similarities for my taste.
If I were to select a religion it would be Jainism.
I like their ideas even though I find them mythical.
There is no hatred. No war. Inner peace only sustained by living properly.
You are missing something in those messages. Jesus was the savior of everyone, rich and poor. A personal link to the Creator. His was the only message that allowed for you to follow your individual conscience instead of the herd and earthly masters. Don't go by the corruption of that message later by men seeking power.

I said earlier you got roped by a cult. You are getting egged on by others to tear down something for them, to fight their battles for them.

Secular humanism is a mythology. A Utopian ideal. The reality is the morality and what you are to think and how you will live will be determined by the men at the top, not from the bottom. I will guarantee you they will not live by the same rules they establish for you. Think long and hard about how societies work before you start dismantling it. A religion may be a myth, but you look at the rules and see if it is the best for the masses. Rule books change very quickly when men are gods.

Forget Utopia, get practical.

There is a reality you will be facing in your generation. Too damned many people for a democracy. The world population has more than doubled in my life span. It will do the same or more within yours. Your value goes down with each new addition.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#170975 Jul 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are missing something in those messages. Jesus was the savior of everyone, rich and poor. A personal link to the Creator. His was the only message that allowed for you to follow your individual conscience instead of the herd and earthly masters. Don't go by the corruption of that message later by men seeking power.
I said earlier you got roped by a cult. You are getting egged on by others to tear down something for them, to fight their battles for them.
Secular humanism is a mythology. A Utopian ideal. The reality is the morality and what you are to think and how you will live will be determined by the men at the top, not from the bottom. I will guarantee you they will not live by the same rules they establish for you. Think long and hard about how societies work before you start dismantling it. A religion may be a myth, but you look at the rules and see if it is the best for the masses. Rule books change very quickly when men are gods.
Forget Utopia, get practical.
There is a reality you will be facing in your generation. Too damned many people for a democracy. The world population has more than doubled in my life span. It will do the same or more within yours. Your value goes down with each new addition.
Creationist liars like yourself, with no proof of god, need say nothing until you're proven the cr*p you're lying to us about.

If your god is real, prove it.

If you're honest, be honest.

If your cult has morals, why does it have to lie?

Your cult is judgemental and calls all atheists fools (having no evidence)

Answer all these questions before attacking atheists, there's a good creationist troll waste of space...

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#170976 Jul 6, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>H. G. Wells, British writer, 1866-1946
When asked which person left the most permanent impression on history, he replied that judging a person’s greatness by historical standards:
“By this test, Jesus stands first.”
“I am a historian, I am not a believer, but I must confess as a historian that this penniless preacher from Nazareth is irrevocably the very center of history. Jesus Christ is easily the most dominant figure in all history.”
“Christ is the most unique person of history. No man can write a history of the human race without giving first and foremost place to the penniless teacher of Nazareth.”8-9-10 JESUS WINS~~~~!
When Creationists realise that they are liars with no proof of god, they stat having to lie a lot.

Atheists are more moral and honest people in that respect.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170977 Jul 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are missing something in those messages. Jesus was the savior of everyone, rich and poor. A personal link to the Creator. His was the only message that allowed for you to follow your individual conscience instead of the herd and earthly masters. Don't go by the corruption of that message later by men seeking power.
I said earlier you got roped by a cult. You are getting egged on by others to tear down something for them, to fight their battles for them.
Secular humanism is a mythology. A Utopian ideal. The reality is the morality and what you are to think and how you will live will be determined by the men at the top, not from the bottom. I will guarantee you they will not live by the same rules they establish for you. Think long and hard about how societies work before you start dismantling it. A religion may be a myth, but you look at the rules and see if it is the best for the masses. Rule books change very quickly when men are gods.
Forget Utopia, get practical.
There is a reality you will be facing in your generation. Too damned many people for a democracy. The world population has more than doubled in my life span. It will do the same or more within yours. Your value goes diown with each new addition.
Your central belief is based on "faith".
Bear in mind I find nothing wrong with this.
Do I buy into it myself? Not in the least. ;)
There isn't anything in the desert god myths that I find compelling - It may as well be Zeus and Jupiter.

Organized religion meh...

“So any adroit, unscrupulous fellow, who knows the world, has only to get among these simple souls and his fortune is quickly made; he plays with them.”
– Lucian of Samosata, "The Passing of Peregrinus." (2nd century AD).

Another thing to take a look at...

Hindus believe that Krishna was the eighth "avatar" or incarnation of the god Vishnu - one of the Hindu deities in the Hindu trinity.

Hindu scriptures state that Krishna "appeared in all the fullness of his power and glory." Krishna was born sometime between 900 and 1200 B.C. and his religious teachings can be found in the Bhagavad-Gita, one of the sacred texts in Hinduism.

The karmic similarities between Jesus and the Hindu messiah named Krishna (1200 B.C.) are many.

There over one hundred similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors which could easily fill a volume. Some of these similarities are apocryphal which means their source comes from the extra-canonical scriptures of Hinduism.

I call this - copy paste!

Interesting links about this subject

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen0...

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php...

Here is your competition!
Ladies and gentlemen get ready to rumble...
In corner right Mithras, And corner left Jesus
Dang Dang round one begins...

dionysus vs jesus
mithra vs jesus
horus vs jesus
buddha vs jesus
attis vs jesus
krishna god
krishna bible
krishna 12 disciples

We can play with the Mormons later.
They are funny especially: Kolub!
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170978 Jul 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
You are missing something in those messages. Jesus was the savior of everyone, rich and poor. A personal link to the Creator. His was the only message that allowed for you to follow your individual conscience instead of the herd and earthly masters. Don't go by the corruption of that message later by men seeking power.
I said earlier you got roped by a cult. You are getting egged on by others to tear down something for them, to fight their battles for them.
Secular humanism is a mythology. A Utopian ideal. The reality is the morality and what you are to think and how you will live will be determined by the men at the top, not from the bottom. I will guarantee you they will not live by the same rules they establish for you. Think long and hard about how societies work before you start dismantling it. A religion may be a myth, but you look at the rules and see if it is the best for the masses. Rule books change very quickly when men are gods.
Forget Utopia, get practical.
There is a reality you will be facing in your generation. Too damned many people for a democracy. The world population has more than doubled in my life span. It will do the same or more within yours. Your value goes down with each new addition.
Immortality is man's favorite dream.
Alas, that's all it is... a dream.

I am willing to amend that - provided a Homo sapiens returns from the dead!

Oddly nothing seems to live forever on this planet,
not dinosaurs, not Cro-Magnon, not Neanderthal and eventually not even Homo sapiens.

I don't fear death. Evolution marches on.

And I'm a lot closer to that "Endgame " than you!
Insurance actuaries would give me perhaps eight years more... if I'm average. Anything beyond that is "borrowed time"! A bonus! ;)

Sorry, I'm barely awake now and I forgot your evening prayer. ;)

Now our Dave lies down to sleep
And prays the church his money to keep
if He should die before He's awake
We know the money his Church shall take.

Yours in Christ
Allah willing
Hare Krishna
shalom ;)
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#170979 Jul 6, 2013
Save a sinner category - Topix theists Only!

BRITANNY MADISON's Earlier post indicates she needs Topix theists special kind of godly help.

R U praying for her?
;)

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#170980 Jul 6, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Immortality is man's favorite dream.
Alas, that's all it is... a dream.
I am willing to amend that - provided a Homo sapiens returns from the dead!
Oddly nothing seems to live forever on this planet,
not dinosaurs, not Cro-Magnon, not Neanderthal and eventually not even Homo sapiens.
I don't fear death. Evolution marches on.
And I'm a lot closer to that "Endgame " than you!
Insurance actuaries would give me perhaps eight years more... if I'm average. Anything beyond that is "borrowed time"! A bonus! ;)
Sorry, I'm barely awake now and I forgot your evening prayer. ;)
Now our Dave lies down to sleep
And prays the church his money to keep
if He should die before He's awake
We know the money his Church shall take.
Yours in Christ
Allah willing
Hare Krishna
shalom ;)
So you are going to spend those 8 years ranting and railing against the world for not giving you absolute proof you will turn into a butterfly after this stint?

You have some issues reason can not reach.

Eight years can be a long time. They only look short when you look back at them.

Evolution marches on. That means those that come later have to wade through the shit you left behind.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#170981 Jul 6, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are going to spend those 8 years ranting and railing against the world for not giving you absolute proof you will turn into a butterfly after this stint?
You have some issues reason can not reach.
Eight years can be a long time. They only look short when you look back at them.
Evolution marches on. That means those that come later have to wade through the shit you left behind.
At this point, you need to do nothing else other than prove the go you're lying to us about.

Let us remember that you suffer form the mental illness that means that you deny fossils - objects that are very real and sh*t on your cult's claims.

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