Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#170633 Jul 2, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I don't believe you...
hey bozo prove to us that your god exists!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170634 Jul 2, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
hey bozo prove to us that your god exists!
Christianity is all about grace, and grace is all about love. Because God loved us so much He allowed Jesus to be the sacrificial lamb and to die for our sins... either you believe this or not! its up to you.. It might not be for you. Its by faith not proof... Seek Jesus Christ and you will find him.. If he has to be proved to you,by someone you will never find him..

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#170635 Jul 2, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If the brain can make up stories like that, and the feelings are as real or more real than any other experience, why do you think your conscious rationality is less illusional? Your body is under severe stress at those times. In danger. Survival mode. Your mind should be at its peak, not daydreaming.
No one has responded as to how evolution could produce such a process.
It could be just that, the person was near to death, and they didn't die. The brain(proven to do a similar thing in very traumatic injuries), provided a comfortable environment, instead of replaying the last thing a person saw before coming close to death, such as a 60 ft plunge off a cliff, or a 100 mph car crash into a Big Rig traveling at 60 mph....over, and over, and over, and over, till consciousness is resumed.

And when you do regain consciousness, you might be insane from watching Aunt Jenny's head vaporize on impact with the CD player. Repeatedly.

While you are close to death it isn't unreasonable to think the mind places you in a waiting room, filled with numerous things drawn from the subconscious mind and memory. Either chemically induced, or chemically and subconsciously initiated, like a deep dream state. However, I wouldn't assert that's what happens.

I've mentioned this before concerning the possible evolutionary, "why", and I can envision that, if a person sustains an injury that is life threatening and they lose consciousness, there may have been those individuals that thrashed violently during that state which led to exacerbating the injuries and leading to a certain death.

So maybe that component of the brains inability in those individuals to go into "standby" - while an enthralling dream state or hallucination happened - lessened the population of those people having that trait.

I can also envision that in that same circumstance, those that did thrash around and make noises etc... were at a higher risk of predators in the area finding them(the injured person) and death occurring that way, too.

Both of those scenarios would be due to effects of a trait, and the environment, that were not a good formula for success or advancement of that trait in being advantageous to survival.

Add in thousands upon thousands of years of that natural selection process continually weeding out those that freaked in the unconscious state, and that might have led to the predominance of people who do have that trait that places the brain on "hold", until they either regain consciousness, or help arrives and they are taken back to the village tribe doctor etc... and received care and treatment. Eventually, with populations merging and genetic material shared, the "freaker gene" faded into obscurity.

Everything I just mentioned above is conjecture, speculation, and I don't know, or can't say that's what happens or happened, and that's representative of the entire state of the "NDE", no one can say that it represents anything other than a phenomenon that isn't fully understood yet.

Here's the thing, you'd have to die to know if it's actual experience or precursor to some sort of after life, and it isn't a NDE then. Is it?

Its a "DE" (death experience) at that point.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#170636 Jul 2, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
It could be just that, the person was near to death, and they didn't die. The brain(proven to do a similar thing in very traumatic injuries), provided a comfortable environment, instead of replaying the last thing a person saw before coming close to death, such as a 60 ft plunge off a cliff, or a 100 mph car crash into a Big Rig traveling at 60 mph....over, and over, and over, and over, till consciousness is resumed.
And when you do regain consciousness, you might be insane from watching Aunt Jenny's head vaporize on impact with the CD player. Repeatedly.
While you are close to death it isn't unreasonable to think the mind places you in a waiting room, filled with numerous things drawn from the subconscious mind and memory. Either chemically induced, or chemically and subconsciously initiated, like a deep dream state. However, I wouldn't assert that's what happens.
I've mentioned this before concerning the possible evolutionary, "why", and I can envision that, if a person sustains an injury that is life threatening and they lose consciousness, there may have been those individuals that thrashed violently during that state which led to exacerbating the injuries and leading to a certain death.
So maybe that component of the brains inability in those individuals to go into "standby" - while an enthralling dream state or hallucination happened - lessened the population of those people having that trait.
I can also envision that in that same circumstance, those that did thrash around and make noises etc... were at a higher risk of predators in the area finding them(the injured person) and death occurring that way, too.
Both of those scenarios would be due to effects of a trait, and the environment, that were not a good formula for success or advancement of that trait in being advantageous to survival.
Add in thousands upon thousands of years of that natural selection process continually weeding out those that freaked in the unconscious state, and that might have led to the predominance of people who do have that trait that places the brain on "hold", until they either regain consciousness, or help arrives and they are taken back to the village tribe doctor etc... and received care and treatment. Eventually, with populations merging and genetic material shared, the "freaker gene" faded into obscurity.
Everything I just mentioned above is conjecture, speculation, and I don't know, or can't say that's what happens or happened, and that's representative of the entire state of the "NDE", no one can say that it represents anything other than a phenomenon that isn't fully understood yet.
Here's the thing, you'd have to die to know if it's actual experience or precursor to some sort of after life, and it isn't a NDE then. Is it?
Its a "DE" (death experience) at that point.
All I can say it is very fancy programming for a meat made consciousness of our assumed high order.

There seem to be some very basic flaws in the modern physics approach, and some very glaring blind spots. Let's take this BBT, which I have repeatedly said sure looks like a seed. Take that hot dense mass that poofed and created space and volume. They seem to ignore that the energy of expansion, the motion that started, is also going to have a wake behind it, especially if it is a closed system of energy. Matter as we know it is a midpoint, or resistance to that initial expansion motion, and there is a return to that wake created. Not the best description, but there has to be return to maintain the expansion, to maintain that space. It is like we are totally ignoring the other half of the circuit, which actually passes through us.

There was an imbalance of forces for that BBT to even occur. There is a lot hidden from view. Basically I am saying we are projections of energy from a source we can't see in this form.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#170637 Jul 2, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
All I can say it is very fancy programming for a meat made consciousness of our assumed high order.
There seem to be some very basic flaws in the modern physics approach, and some very glaring blind spots. Let's take this BBT, which I have repeatedly said sure looks like a seed. Take that hot dense mass that poofed and created space and volume. They seem to ignore that the energy of expansion, the motion that started, is also going to have a wake behind it, especially if it is a closed system of energy. Matter as we know it is a midpoint, or resistance to that initial expansion motion, and there is a return to that wake created. Not the best description, but there has to be return to maintain the expansion, to maintain that space. It is like we are totally ignoring the other half of the circuit, which actually passes through us.
There was an imbalance of forces for that BBT to even occur. There is a lot hidden from view. Basically I am saying we are projections of energy from a source we can't see in this form.
Your halfwit opinions about science will matter AFTER you've proven the creationist god you're lying to us about.

When will you learn that lying about god will never ever convince atheists?

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#170638 Jul 2, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>Christianity is all about grace, and grace is all about love. Because God loved us so much He allowed Jesus to be the sacrificial lamb and to die for our sins... either you believe this or not! its up to you.. It might not be for you. Its by faith not proof... Seek Jesus Christ and you will find him.. If he has to be proved to you,by someone you will never find him..
Bozo doesn't have anything so no proof of god so you can stop lying about your gods existence it does not exist!

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170639 Jul 2, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
Bozo doesn't have anything so no proof of god so you can stop lying about your gods existence it does not exist!
Faith is not based on our own knowledge or experience. The Bible says in Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". I belive! you don't! Im fine with that.. I can't prove what you can't disprove... We both have faith in our belief...:/

“Sweden more democratic thanUSA”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#170640 Jul 2, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith is not based on our own knowledge or experience. The Bible says in Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". I belive! you don't! Im fine with that.. I can't prove what you can't disprove... We both have faith in our belief...:/
Wrong!
blacklagoon

Brookline, MA

#170641 Jul 2, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
Forgiveness is only one part of the equation. The other part is sincere regret over actions committed. Saying "Father forgive me" doesn't mean anything if the person isn't truly sorry for the consequences of their actions. The important thing to remember is that God sees all of humanity as equal in the way they act. Humans view transgressions with varying degrees of seriousness while God views all transgressions on the basis of selfishness. Therefore, all sins are equally wrong.
My hypothesis is that all transgressions are based on the concept of theft. If we bully somebody, we are in effect stealing their dignity and self-worth. If we kill, we are stealing someone's life. If we lie, we are stealing truth. If all transgressions are given by a supreme moral lawgiver who loves us all equally, then all transgressions among us are also equal, and we are equal in asking for forgiveness if sincere.
What is my punishment for rejecting Jesus?
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#170642 Jul 2, 2013
Snow Bunny_ wrote:
<quoted text>Just putting in my two cents:
Let me get this straight:
The supposed Christian "God" has no problem with allowing child molesters, murderers, rapists, thieves, etc....into Heaven with nothing more than saying "forgive me".
YET, Critical thinkers will burn in hell for eternity...suffering?
You buy that crap? You AGREE with that crap?
Honestly...is that a God worth worshipping?
The Christian god is not the creator and does not govern heaven. The Christian god is Satan and has "strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life". He sent Jesus to finish his work. The wicked go to hell and the righteous go to heaven.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#170643 Jul 2, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
Forgiveness is only one part of the equation. The other part is sincere regret over actions committed. Saying "Father forgive me" doesn't mean anything if the person isn't truly sorry for the consequences of their actions. The important thing to remember is that God sees all of humanity as equal in the way they act. Humans view transgressions with varying degrees of seriousness while God views all transgressions on the basis of selfishness. Therefore, all sins are equally wrong.
My hypothesis is that all transgressions are based on the concept of theft. If we bully somebody, we are in effect stealing their dignity and self-worth. If we kill, we are stealing someone's life. If we lie, we are stealing truth. If all transgressions are given by a supreme moral lawgiver who loves us all equally, then all transgressions among us are also equal, and we are equal in asking for forgiveness if sincere.
There are four steps to repentance and atonement. Remorse, confession, restitution, and most importantly change. Those who will not repent and the wicked go to hell. There are seven deadly sins which are not the Christian ones which are not sins at all. If you commit these sins, there is no atonement.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#170644 Jul 2, 2013
Have you seen the work of the poster "Wayne"?

He believes he will go to heaven, but his memories will be wiped clean. Despite this, he still thinks he will be the same person.
scambuster wrote:
<quoted text>
I was agnostic for a very long time too, until a series of subjective experiences that I believe were designed to lead me onto a path in which I would chose Christianity. This happened pretty recently, as a lot of my posts from even 6 months to 1 year ago were agnostic in nature. Stay open minded... Life is wonderful like that :)
My thoughts on an afterlife is that if there is one, someone, or something would have to be able to restore human consciousness with every experience, environmental factor, genetic history, and even factors that humans, collectively haven't even discovered yet. Otherwise, "me" would not really be me. No easy task.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#170645 Jul 2, 2013
Looking at this from the aggrieved party's viewpoint: forgiveness should only be given if the offending party has mended their ways.

Forgiving someone that is in no way repentant is an abjuration of responsibility.
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
Forgiveness is only one part of the equation. The other part is sincere regret over actions committed. Saying "Father forgive me" doesn't mean anything if the person isn't truly sorry for the consequences of their actions. The important thing to remember is that God sees all of humanity as equal in the way they act. Humans view transgressions with varying degrees of seriousness while God views all transgressions on the basis of selfishness. Therefore, all sins are equally wrong.
My hypothesis is that all transgressions are based on the concept of theft. If we bully somebody, we are in effect stealing their dignity and self-worth. If we kill, we are stealing someone's life. If we lie, we are stealing truth. If all transgressions are given by a supreme moral lawgiver who loves us all equally, then all transgressions among us are also equal, and we are equal in asking for forgiveness if sincere.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170646 Jul 2, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong!
we will see...

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#170647 Jul 2, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>I was quoting the HOLY WORD OF GOD! not some jumbo-mumbo atheist are very dumb!!!!! you chumps use no logic
Logic wasn't something that was needed to see that all of those quotes or versus were in the same language as the "holy bible" and if you can read English, and if you're smart enough you could have figured that one out. They also are the same lines as your super duper imaginary friend put in his little book for you to read and obey. Now obey biatch!!!
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#170648 Jul 2, 2013
Don't forget to thank your god for:

Miscarriages.
Cot death.
Childhood leukaemia.

What a cult.
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>
Faith is not based on our own knowledge or experience. The Bible says in Hebrews 11:1 "Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see". I belive! you don't! Im fine with that.. I can't prove what you can't disprove... We both have faith in our belief...:/

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170649 Jul 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Don't forget to thank your god for:
Miscarriages.
Cot death.
Childhood leukaemia.
What a cult.
<quoted text>
wait a min you don't believe in GOD! then who cause all these things???? science has no cures! who's fault is that? come on science guys you dudes are dragging ass... I want cures!!!!!! yeah right

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170650 Jul 2, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
<quoted text>
Logic wasn't something that was needed to see that all of those quotes or versus were in the same language as the "holy bible" and if you can read English, and if you're smart enough you could have figured that one out. They also are the same lines as your super duper imaginary friend put in his little book for you to read and obey. Now obey biatch!!!
you're dumb

“Imaginez tous les gens”

Since: Sep 09

Sunbury, OH

#170651 Jul 2, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>The Christian god is not the creator and does not govern heaven. The Christian god is Satan and has "strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life". He sent Jesus to finish his work. The wicked go to hell and the righteous go to heaven.
That makes absolutely NO sense!

BUT, that's typical with religion.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#170652 Jul 2, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
hey bozo prove to us that your god exists!
The two crucified criminals who hung on crosses either side of Jesus were representative of you and me. Are you mocking Jesus, or are you asking Jesus for help? If you choose to ask Him for help you will receive the same reward that criminal received:“today you will be with me in paradise”!

Which cross are you hanging from?

choose Jesus Christ

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