Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#169705 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Topix atheists.
Some how I don't believe thats who you really believe, believes in jesus on toast.
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#169706 Jun 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You didn't address the question, unless you are arguing for a relative madness which an atheistic universe would supply...
No, I didn't, I don't believe athists are antagonistic against any gods. Maybe towards the ones who believe in them.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#169707 Jun 22, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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One who wanted the mere mortal humans to know that he was real.
This isn't that complicated.
So works of magic would turn you into a believer?

Or something to appear and tell you to follow them?

Sheep would, too.

There is nothing in them except food value.

A supreme deity would likely want something more.

He created a garden and something to talk to.

This creature was in the presence and under the protection of this Creator.

This creature listened to something else and lost total trust in its creator.

Then it got chunked out into the wilderness, but not naked.

Perhaps this creator made a mistake, but you will be the one to pay for it.

Not a literal story, but maybe something like that.

If there was not a creative force to create the creature, there would be no creature. Denying the existence of a creative force and its continued maintenance of you, at least on the environmental level, is on the stupid side.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169708 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So works of magic would turn you into a believer?
Or something to appear and tell you to follow them?
Sheep would, too.
There is nothing in them except food value.
A supreme deity would likely want something more.
He created a garden and something to talk to.
This creature was in the presence and under the protection of this Creator.
This creature listened to something else and lost total trust in its creator.
Then it got chunked out into the wilderness, but not naked.
Perhaps this creator made a mistake, but you will be the one to pay for it.
Not a literal story, but maybe something like that.
If there was not a creative force to create the creature, there would be no creature. Denying the existence of a creative force and its continued maintenance of you, at least on the environmental level, is on the stupid side.
Funny, the bible calls followers sheep.

“And I won't watch this anymore”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#169709 Jun 22, 2013
What exactly does it mean when they call them sheep? Does that mean that they regard them as nothing more than sheep, or does that have an even scarier implication than I think? Does that mean they merely think of them as puppets in their religion?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169710 Jun 22, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
What exactly does it mean when they call them sheep? Does that mean that they regard them as nothing more than sheep, or does that have an even scarier implication than I think? Does that mean they merely think of them as puppets in their religion?
Consider that the god originated as a pagan war god, food is a very strong possibility.

“And I won't watch this anymore”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#169711 Jun 22, 2013
A lot of religious holidays are stolen from pagan ones, or else just rechristened with new names.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#169712 Jun 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Actually, I for one don't expect a supreme deity at all.
Let alone a Domino's Pizza deity.
I'm more than satisfied living my life to the fullest in the natural world.
youre getting your consolation. You settled cheap, couldn't afford to invest in the case.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#169713 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Funny, the bible calls followers sheep.
yes, youre way to smart to receive the gift, its too easy,

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169714 Jun 22, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
A lot of religious holidays are stolen from pagan ones, or else just rechristened with new names.
Pretty much.

“And I won't watch this anymore”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#169715 Jun 22, 2013
Yup, that's how it works.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#169716 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Consider that the god originated as a pagan war god, food is a very strong possibility.
Blood sacrifices.

Christianity put an end to that.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169717 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Blood sacrifices.
Christianity put an end to that.

That IS the one positive thing that can be credited to it.
Jebus might have saved me from becoming a sacrifice . And the Christian Armies put them that practiced this abomination to the sword and ended it forever.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169718 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Blood sacrifices.
Christianity put an end to that.
No it didn't.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169723 Jun 22, 2013
_Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Please identify which pagan religion and which pagan war god, and in what year this pagan war god was pronounced?
If not, simply admit that you are here chewing on your cud.
I can't be bothered to find the reference again, but no, I am not "chewing my cud." All the bibles' stories were ripped off from other religions.

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#169724 Jun 22, 2013
Joe Fortuna wrote:
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No, I didn't, I don't believe athists are antagonistic against any gods. Maybe towards the ones who believe in them.
Why is that justified?

If you really are atheistic, then nihilism is your ultimate philosophical destination, how does antagonism towards anyone make sense with that in mind?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169725 Jun 22, 2013
_Oscar Wilde_ wrote:
<quoted text>Please identify which pagan religion and which pagan war god, and in what year this pagan war god was pronounced?
If not, simply admit that you are here chewing on your cud.
Alexander the Great 323 BC became god.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#169726 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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So works of magic would turn you into a believer?
Or something to appear and tell you to follow them?
Sheep would, too.
There is nothing in them except food value.
A supreme deity would likely want something more.
He created a garden and something to talk to.
This creature was in the presence and under the protection of this Creator.
This creature listened to something else and lost total trust in its creator.
Then it got chunked out into the wilderness, but not naked.
Perhaps this creator made a mistake, but you will be the one to pay for it.
Not a literal story, but maybe something like that.
If there was not a creative force to create the creature, there would be no creature. Denying the existence of a creative force and its continued maintenance of you, at least on the environmental level, is on the stupid side.
In other words, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any of the gods ever worshipped were, in fact, real.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#169727 Jun 22, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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In other words, there is not now, nor has there ever been, any proof that any of the gods ever worshipped were, in fact, real.
Feel free to believe whatever suits YOU.

No one is listening to your wannabe Perry Mason presentation.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#169728 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Feel free to believe whatever suits YOU.
No one is listening to your wannabe Perry Mason presentation.
This coming from someone who believes in a god that he can't even prove is real and believes that all the other thousands of gods ever worshipped over the millennia were fake...because his fake god said so.

LOL

Dude, it doesn't take Perry Mason to point out the obvious flaws in religion.

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