Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169661 Jun 22, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
What constitutes proof? What kind of God would act according to the whims and demands of a mere mortal human?
The kind that cannot escape the ever piercing gaze of it's creations ever new invention of tools to detect and see everything in the universe.

Since: Sep 08

Olney Springs, CO

#169662 Jun 22, 2013
Poor Topix atheists.

They will enter a building and negotiate elevators, escalators, hallways, and doors on the right or left to get what they seek and assume it is quite normal. That is the structure of their universe.

But they expect a supreme deity that constructed one to deliver to their own door.

Presumptuous, and quite dumb.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#169663 Jun 22, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
There's no such thing as god. If you disagree, you need to provide proof.
You've had since the biggining of recorded time itself to prove that you are not liars.
You've failed. How long do you think you can go on lying to people about god, before people wise up and demand proof?
that was to Dave Nelson. I still do not get your way of thinking or replying to people. I wrote you a long serious comment and asked you for an explanation, over on the thread about Atheists on the March in America, or some such title - which I think it is silly, since the onward christian soldiers mentality seems to be silly, and that seems to be a copycat type title, which no sensible atheist would want to do.

I do not think Dave Nelson has existed since the beginning of recorded time, so you at least should have written "you believers in some god or other" rather than merely you.

Also you seem to think insults and calling folks liars is an acceptable approach for a presumably rational atheist. I think it gives a very bad example of atheism, and requires other atheists to denounce you and your tactics - which is too bad, since you are capable of making rational arguments against religious beliefs.

I do not think that you know there is no God - if you say you do, then the burden of proof is upon you. You are very arrogant in saying that if someone disagrees with you, the burden of proof is on that person. If you state there is no God, the burden of proof is on you, not on the person who disagrees with you. I wish you would go read my comment on that other thread and finally explain yourself either here or there.

Why do you take the burden of proof on yourself by making a claim that there is no God and that you know it?? Why do you think you can get by with telling everyone who disagrees with your assertion that the burden of proof is on him or her? Why do you prefer insulting people? Why do you like to call people liars when that term usually implies a deliberate telling of something they know to be false - don't you think any of them are actually dumb enought to believe it is true?

I think you are a very emotionally immature person, full of hostilities and arrogance. I think you do harm to the atheist "cause" and argument. I think you are quite capable of doing much better, by debunking the views of believers with sensible arguments - and I wonder why you don't do that. I also wonder why you will not assume the burden of proof when you claim to know there is no God. If you made any claim, wouldn't the burden of proof be on you, instead of the person who disagrees with you?

I wonder how you were raised. You seem to have the egocentricity of a toddler. a nasty one at that. grow up. you seem to think the only sign of maturity is your obscenity and your insults. why don't you use the rational mind which one suspects you have? are you terribly angry or unhappy or both, and taking it out on folks on topix?
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#169664 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> The kind that cannot escape the ever piercing gaze of it's creations ever new invention of tools to detect and see everything in the universe.
well, I need to read more of your comments to see your point here. If you imply that a relatively decent god created relatively rational human beings, who will use better and better tools to "see everything" (do you mean understand everything?) in the universe (do you include a possible multiverse?) I doubt such a being exists, or that mankind is such a creation.
Favorite Adversary

New York, NY

#169665 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
What kind of god would entrust these mere mortals with the duty of passing on it's words?
A God who wants to work through people. How would humanity learn if God did everything for us, instead of through us? By passing on His word through us, we think about it. Then it passes from thought to action. It causes a change of heart if we choose to believe. We then improve our lives not because we're told to, but out of appreciation for what has been done for us.
Favorite Adversary

New York, NY

#169666 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Poor Topix atheists.
They will enter a building and negotiate elevators, escalators, hallways, and doors on the right or left to get what they seek and assume it is quite normal. That is the structure of their universe.
But they expect a supreme deity that constructed one to deliver to their own door.
Presumptuous, and quite dumb.
I know, right? lol

Since: Sep 08

Olney Springs, CO

#169667 Jun 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> that was to Dave Nelson. I still do not get your way of thinking or replying to people. I wrote you a long serious comment and asked you for an explanation, over on the thread about Atheists on the March in America, or some such title - which I think it is silly, since the onward christian soldiers mentality seems to be silly, and that seems to be a copycat type title, which no sensible atheist would want to do.
I do not think Dave Nelson has existed since the beginning of recorded time, so you at least should have written "you believers in some god or other" rather than merely you.
Also you seem to think insults and calling folks liars is an acceptable approach for a presumably rational atheist. I think it gives a very bad example of atheism, and requires other atheists to denounce you and your tactics - which is too bad, since you are capable of making rational arguments against religious beliefs.
I do not think that you know there is no God - if you say you do, then the burden of proof is upon you. You are very arrogant in saying that if someone disagrees with you, the burden of proof is on that person. If you state there is no God, the burden of proof is on you, not on the person who disagrees with you. I wish you would go read my comment on that other thread and finally explain yourself either here or there.
Why do you take the burden of proof on yourself by making a claim that there is no God and that you know it?? Why do you think you can get by with telling everyone who disagrees with your assertion that the burden of proof is on him or her? Why do you prefer insulting people? Why do you like to call people liars when that term usually implies a deliberate telling of something they know to be false - don't you think any of them are actually dumb enought to believe it is true?
I think you are a very emotionally immature person, full of hostilities and arrogance. I think you do harm to the atheist "cause" and argument. I think you are quite capable of doing much better, by debunking the views of believers with sensible arguments - and I wonder why you don't do that. I also wonder why you will not assume the burden of proof when you claim to know there is no God. If you made any claim, wouldn't the burden of proof be on you, instead of the person who disagrees with you?
I wonder how you were raised. You seem to have the egocentricity of a toddler. a nasty one at that. grow up. you seem to think the only sign of maturity is your obscenity and your insults. why don't you use the rational mind which one suspects you have? are you terribly angry or unhappy or both, and taking it out on folks on topix?
Skeptic's neural network got corroded. Some flaky connections resulted, resulting in a confused interface with reality. He can't help it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169668 Jun 22, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
<quoted text>
A God who wants to work through people. How would humanity learn if God did everything for us, instead of through us? By passing on His word through us, we think about it. Then it passes from thought to action. It causes a change of heart if we choose to believe. We then improve our lives not because we're told to, but out of appreciation for what has been done for us.
So your god makes everyone flawed then tells these flawed people to write a book about this god during a time when barbaric acts were considered a good thing and then expected the species to accept this garbage after we become more intelligent. Then you claim that this book, which was written by flawed beings and filled with a bunch of barbaric commands, is somehow more valid what is said of Zeus, Apollo, Imhotep, Ra, Bastet, Nyarlethotep, Cthulhu, and the millions of other gods.

Yeah, not buying it, if your god is real, he's a moron and should not be worshiped on those grounds alone.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#169669 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Yet, your bibles say that all other such "natural reactions" are sins. Funny that.
No it doesn't

Quack Quack

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#169670 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>What kind of god would entrust these mere mortals with the duty of passing on it's words?
The God of Abraham.

Quack Quack

Since: Sep 08

Olney Springs, CO

#169671 Jun 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So your god makes everyone flawed then tells these flawed people to write a book about this god during a time when barbaric acts were considered a good thing and then expected the species to accept this garbage after we become more intelligent. Then you claim that this book, which was written by flawed beings and filled with a bunch of barbaric commands, is somehow more valid what is said of Zeus, Apollo, Imhotep, Ra, Bastet, Nyarlethotep, Cthulhu, and the millions of other gods.
Yeah, not buying it, if your god is real, he's a moron and should not be worshiped on those grounds alone.
Are you arguing against the existence of the Abrahamic deity, or the existence of any deity, intelligent designer, or the supernatural period?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169672 Jun 22, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
The God of Abraham.
Quack Quack
Then that god is an idiot.

“My name is Trunks...”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#169674 Jun 22, 2013
I think (she) is arguing against the existence of any type of God. The Abrahamic deity, I can safely say, does not exist. Thank goodness, because that deity is not a very benevolent one.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169675 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
Poor Topix atheists.
They will enter a building and negotiate elevators, escalators, hallways, and doors on the right or left to get what they seek and assume it is quite normal. That is the structure of their universe.
But they expect a supreme deity that constructed one to deliver to their own door.
Presumptuous, and quite dumb.
Poor topix religatards,
they can't use the brains their god didn't give them.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169676 Jun 22, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
I think (she) is arguing against the existence of any type of God. The Abrahamic deity, I can safely say, does not exist. Thank goodness, because that deity is not a very benevolent one.
He got run over by an iron chariot.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169677 Jun 22, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
I think (she) is arguing against the existence of any type of God. The Abrahamic deity, I can safely say, does not exist. Thank goodness, because that deity is not a very benevolent one.
Actually, any of the gods proposed could fit my descriptive, but that's all. ;)

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169679 Jun 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> well, I need to read more of your comments to see your point here. If you imply that a relatively decent god created relatively rational human beings, who will use better and better tools to "see everything" (do you mean understand everything?) in the universe (do you include a possible multiverse?) I doubt such a being exists, or that mankind is such a creation.
Agreed

Since: Sep 08

Olney Springs, CO

#169680 Jun 22, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
I think (she) is arguing against the existence of any type of God. The Abrahamic deity, I can safely say, does not exist. Thank goodness, because that deity is not a very benevolent one.
In the beginning the description of it may have been accurate in a metaphorical way, but the description of it was quickly perverted to advance the interests of a particular group. That wouldn't make the original any less real, just discredited.

Man has a way of doing that. Including secularists and the noble ideas they profess.

Since: Sep 08

Olney Springs, CO

#169681 Jun 22, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Poor topix religatards,
they can't use the brains their god didn't give them.
Were any of your ancestors religatards, Aura?

You are a miracle baby?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169682 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
Were any of your ancestors religatards, Aura?
You are a miracle baby?

All of them Dave , you know non belief in America is a small but growing percentage. But 30 years ago probably like 1%.
Most everyone I know is religious, and most ridiculously so.
See Jesus on the cheese toast, and floating in the coffee religiousnutty.

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