Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne, Australia

#169564 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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I, don’t know, you got me stumped, why do “godly people continue to imply that people who don't believe, are liars?”
Is it because godbots would not know the meaning of truth if it poked them in the eye?
Is it because they are brought up from childhood being indoctrinated in a lie so they come to expect lies from everyone?
The problem is that despite the facts they see faith and belief as truth, and tend to be totally unaware of the difference between faith and truth, therefore anyone who has anything to say that contradicts their faith must be by their own definition, a liar.
There are dome “godly” people who are aware of the meaning of truth and emphasise/distinguish the word with a capital letter “Truth” which when being translated from christian speak means belief. Then there is the word “truthiness”, a newly proclaimed word in the christian language that means to them –‘it’s what I believe and it sounds true so it’s truth enough for me’,- so really we have another christian speak word for belief.
If they don’t know the meaning of the word truth then why should the word lie be any different to them?
I have early memories of gong to church as a family when I was four. I loved the singing, the pink wafer biscuits and the orange cordial in Sunday school. I find I get the same feeling when I'm in any group singing. But it didn't last long my Dad was Atheist my Mother "hopes" there is something. I do act in a respectful way of people I have worked with that are religious, try not to blaspheme. Imagine signing up for Scientology, with all we know yet people still do. There is a few local kids that became Muslim. One kid who's Dad is a Muslim has spent most of the kids life in jail, became one. He didn't appear to believe in God before, and it didn't help him stop his drug dealing, taking, fornicating etc. what's the point? With all we know about the earth they are joining a religion that thinks we've only been here a few thousand years. It astounds me. So thankful my parents weren't religious, and my Father wanted us to look.

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#169565 Jun 21, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>evolution is a lie... there is no evidence only lies
Clownie why do you believe in god?

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#169566 Jun 21, 2013
Atomic_G wrote:
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Clownie why do you believe in god?
Home schooled.
Imhotep

Gainesville, FL

#169567 Jun 21, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
I heard you were so drunk at a party that then when you walked across the room to get another beer you won the dance contest.
LOL. ;)

One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

Wilson runs a nail factory and decides his business needs a bit of advertising. He has a chat with a friend who works in marketing and he offers to make a TV ad for Wilson's Nails.

"Give me a week," says the friend, "and I'll be back with a tape."

A week goes by and the marketing executive comes to see Wilson. He puts a cassette in the video and presses play. A Roman soldier is busy nailing Jesus to the cross. He turns to face the camera and says with a grin "Use Wilson's Nails, they'll hold anything."

Wilson goes mad shouting: "What is the matter with you? They'll never show that on TV. Give it another try, but no more Romans crucifying Jesus!"

Another week goes by and the marketing man comes back to see Wilson with another tape. He puts it in the machine and hits play. This time the camera pans out from a Roman standing with his arms folded to show Jesus on the cross. The Roman looks up at him and says 'Wilson's Nails, they'll hold anything'.

Wilson is beside himself. "You don't understand: I don't want anything with Jesus on the cross! Now listen, I'll give you one last chance. Come back in a week with an advertisement that I can broadcast."

A week passes and Wilson waits impatiently. The marketing executive arrives and puts on the new video. A naked man with long hair, gasping for breath, is running across a field. About a dozen Roman soldiers come over the hill, hot on his trail. One of them turns to camera and says 'If only we had used Wilson's Nails!'.
Imhotep

Gainesville, FL

#169568 Jun 21, 2013
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“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169569 Jun 21, 2013
saidI wrote:
<quoted text>
I have early memories of gong to church as a family when I was four. I loved the singing, the pink wafer biscuits and the orange cordial in Sunday school. I find I get the same feeling when I'm in any group singing. But it didn't last long my Dad was Atheist my Mother "hopes" there is something. I do act in a respectful way of people I have worked with that are religious, try not to blaspheme. Imagine signing up for Scientology, with all we know yet people still do. There is a few local kids that became Muslim. One kid who's Dad is a Muslim has spent most of the kids life in jail, became one. He didn't appear to believe in God before, and it didn't help him stop his drug dealing, taking, fornicating etc. what's the point? With all we know about the earth they are joining a religion that thinks we've only been here a few thousand years. It astounds me. So thankful my parents weren't religious, and my Father wanted us to look.
My early life was somewhat different, I went to church because my parents were (they are not now) CofE christian and expected me to be indoctrinated in the same way. However I am dyslexic, i.e. not perfect as god made us (according to the congregation) and so was treated as a second class child, mocked and ridiculed because I was unable to read from the babble. Such treatment is quite traumatic to a child and when I was diagnosed (age 14) the huge weight of christian oppression was lifted. The church lost me (and my parents) for their callus, bordering on brutal behaviour.

I have since been subject to and seen first hand what true christian love does to a person. My aunt lost an arm and I was (not seriously but quite painfully) injured in the IRA bombing of Manchester. Christians attempted to kill my children by tipping their pushchair in front of a moving bus (and escaped into a church where the priest denied all knowledge of them). I have several other stories both personal and general of such christian love.

Funnily enough my old vicar tracked me down recently (25 years after events) to apologise and asked me to rejoin his flock. Can you guess the reply he got?

The point of all this is that I don’t really have any objection to religion, nor to the majority of christians who for the most part are decent human beings,(my best friend sits about as high in the BAC church as a woman can get). Religion can be a comfort to those who practice it. What I object to is the lies and twisted morality that some few twisted head cases spew in the name of their god. Just like in all religions christianity spawns a small group of fanatics, haters, liars, terrorist, murderers (including child murder) and even genocide that they justify by hiding behind there god. Topix has more than is share.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169570 Jun 21, 2013
Atomic_G wrote:
<quoted text>
Clownie why do you believe in god?
Because no one else will have him

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169571 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>It is unfortunate we have to suffer the effects of such a simply constructed mind as yours ejaculating thoughts before they are mature all over these forums.

You can't see an all encompassing life force, deity, or whatever you want to call it from your physical human perspective. You couldn't see it directly, nor could you feel it directly, nor could you hear it directly. As a physical manifestation that would be like floating down a river. You don't feel the full force of the river, just the forces diverted trying to get you to move.

The Biblical story reveals an all powerful force that created something. It used to communicate with it. Then this thingy felt separate, and it lost the ability to communicate directly. This powerful force became frustrated with trying to reach this dense object in its midst, an object that couldn't see it directly. It finally dawned on it that it would have to manifest a part of itself as one of these dense objects to tell it how to get back home. The light was still in the window.

However, some of these dense objects get real dense, and will never see the light. When they dissolve back into the river they don't do it as the coherent, or semi-coherent, assemblages of this life energy they were formed from. The current washes them away you could say.

Now, go switch on your Johnson, Butch, get to thinking, and come back to us again.
Take another laxative Dave.

The shit is backing up into your headpan.

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne, Australia

#169572 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
My early life was somewhat different, I went to church because my parents were (they are not now) CofE christian and expected me to be indoctrinated in the same way. However I am dyslexic, i.e. not perfect as god made us (according to the congregation) and so was treated as a second class child, mocked and ridiculed because I was unable to read from the babble. Such treatment is quite traumatic to a child and when I was diagnosed (age 14) the huge weight of christian oppression was lifted. The church lost me (and my parents) for their callus, bordering on brutal behaviour.
I have since been subject to and seen first hand what true christian love does to a person. My aunt lost an arm and I was (not seriously but quite painfully) injured in the IRA bombing of Manchester. Christians attempted to kill my children by tipping their pushchair in front of a moving bus (and escaped into a church where the priest denied all knowledge of them). I have several other stories both personal and general of such christian love.
Funnily enough my old vicar tracked me down recently (25 years after events) to apologise and asked me to rejoin his flock. Can you guess the reply he got?
The point of all this is that I don’t really have any objection to religion, nor to the majority of christians who for the most part are decent human beings,(my best friend sits about as high in the BAC church as a woman can get). Religion can be a comfort to those who practice it. What I object to is the lies and twisted morality that some few twisted head cases spew in the name of their god. Just like in all religions christianity spawns a small group of fanatics, haters, liars, terrorist, murderers (including child murder) and even genocide that they justify by hiding behind there god. Topix has more than is share.
So horrible what people can do; God loving adults at that. I never read past the first two pages of the bible. What I've learnt on here of what the book says I'm glad I never read it. Certainly amazes me. The idea of re-reading until it's memorised, OSG (oh someones God)!
I was married to a Belfast man, a Prod. He had the fear of God beaten into him, his Father didn't hit him but the lovely religious people did! he doesn't believe these days. One day he was standing outside a shop when he heard a dull thud, then a persons head went rolling down the gutter. The thud was a bomb blast. Very sad seeing what such religious people can do to each other.

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#169573 Jun 21, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>Home schooled.
Or the craze in Australia 'unschooled'

“Faith means not wanting to ”

Since: Nov 10

know what is true.

#169574 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>Because no one else will have him
True
bONGO

Coram, NY

#169575 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Because no one else will have him
all the Frenchman had you?

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#169576 Jun 21, 2013
Atomic_G wrote:
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Or the craze in Australia 'unschooled'
Unfortunately true.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169577 Jun 21, 2013
saidI wrote:
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So horrible what people can do; God loving adults at that. I never read past the first two pages of the bible. What I've learnt on here of what the book says I'm glad I never read it. Certainly amazes me. The idea of re-reading until it's memorised, OSG (oh someones God)!
I was married to a Belfast man, a Prod. He had the fear of God beaten into him, his Father didn't hit him but the lovely religious people did! he doesn't believe these days. One day he was standing outside a shop when he heard a dull thud, then a persons head went rolling down the gutter. The thud was a bomb blast. Very sad seeing what such religious people can do to each other.
I’ve read it 3 times, plus chapters, verses etc several times, I did some work on the authenticity of the babble during my first years at uni. All you need to realise is that it is a story book, full of holes, contradictions lies and atrocities that a good christian Jew or Moslim is skilled at filtering out.

Consider that the abrahamic god was the first recorded mass murderer by exterminating the entire human race (bar for 8 people), the first recorded child murderer by killing the Egyptian first born. He advocated slavery, rape and prostitution, gods word –

“as for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves”.

Such a role model, but it makes it easy to see why there are so many religious people suffering from funny mental ism.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#169578 Jun 21, 2013
bONGO wrote:
<quoted text> all the Frenchman had you?
Can we assume you are christian?

Your lying BS seem to suggest it.
bONGO

Coram, NY

#169579 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Can we assume you are christian?
Your lying BS seem to suggest it.
Can we assume you are large and promiscuous
Thinking

London, UK

#169581 Jun 21, 2013
How would that even be possible?
bONGO wrote:
<quoted text> all the Frenchman had you?

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#169582 Jun 21, 2013
Getting back to the topic of this thread, I don't see how skepticism requires any faith.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#169583 Jun 21, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
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Home schooled.
There are actually two types of home schoolers. One type home schools because they don't like what is being taught in the schools. The other type doesn't like the fact that the schools aren't teaching enough.

Religious home schoolers tend to do so because they don't want their children exposed to opposing ideas. They want to re-enforce their particular viewpoint and keep their children from really learning about the variety of ways of looking at the world.

In contrast, the non-religious home schoolers tend to do so because they don't like how watered down the curriculum has become over the years. In contrast to the religious type, the non-religious type wants the children to learn *more*, not less.

My ex-wife and I home schooled our daughter until she was ready for high school (when our daughter said she would prefer to go to the public school for the social aspects). By the time she was 12, my daughter was reading and understanding Plato and Shakespeare. She could write a well-reasoned research paper and asked for a book on reptile surgery for her 13th birthday. She has one more year of high school and hopes to become a veterinarian.

Not all home schoolers are poorly schooled. Most are, but not all. Much depends on the motivations and education of the parents.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#169584 Jun 21, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
My early life was somewhat different, I went to church because my parents were (they are not now) CofE christian and expected me to be indoctrinated in the same way. However I am dyslexic, i.e. not perfect as god made us (according to the congregation) and so was treated as a second class child, mocked and ridiculed because I was unable to read from the babble. Such treatment is quite traumatic to a child and when I was diagnosed (age 14) the huge weight of christian oppression was lifted. The church lost me (and my parents) for their callus, bordering on brutal behaviour.
I have since been subject to and seen first hand what true christian love does to a person. My aunt lost an arm and I was (not seriously but quite painfully) injured in the IRA bombing of Manchester. Christians attempted to kill my children by tipping their pushchair in front of a moving bus (and escaped into a church where the priest denied all knowledge of them). I have several other stories both personal and general of such christian love.
Funnily enough my old vicar tracked me down recently (25 years after events) to apologise and asked me to rejoin his flock. Can you guess the reply he got?
The point of all this is that I don’t really have any objection to religion, nor to the majority of christians who for the most part are decent human beings,(my best friend sits about as high in the BAC church as a woman can get). Religion can be a comfort to those who practice it. What I object to is the lies and twisted morality that some few twisted head cases spew in the name of their god. Just like in all religions christianity spawns a small group of fanatics, haters, liars, terrorist, murderers (including child murder) and even genocide that they justify by hiding behind there god. Topix has more than is share.
Excellent post, Christine.

I agree with you in all respects.

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