Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169618 Jun 21, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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Oh I understand what you're saying, but I do believe it's a matter of faith either way. Perhaps "faith" isn't the correct word to be debating. Think on this if you will:
Confidence in Probability
I don't know if this is an existing term or not,(if not, you heard it from me first- lol)but allow me to explain my position.
If you're an atheist, and you don't believe there's a God (any God) then there must be a reason. It can be an experiential reason (such as the case with Christine M - my condolences on the way you were treated Christine) or, because the atheist places more priority on other subjects such as science or philosophy, or a combination of both. The atheist consciously makes a choice to not believe based upon his or her respective confidence in competing thoughts, and/or negative experiences within a specific context in their lives.
Likewise, if one is a theist (Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc.) then one also may have a positive experience or find sufficient evidence to make a conscious choice to believe. Again, the choice is influenced by the experiential and/or evidence.
It all comes down to individual priority and confidence in probability. I find there is sufficient evidence to enjoy confidence in the probability that there is a God (yes, the Christian God), while you do not.
Faith is the word used, but in the final analysis, it's how much confidence we have in the probability and it's based upon choice that is rooted in experiences both good and bad.
Well said, confidence in probability has my vote;0)

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169619 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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For natural born fence sitters, yes. Thousands of years worth of complete lack of proof pretty well satisfies me. Otherwise you must completely consider and accept as entirely possible that my toaster flies around the kitchen at night and my invisible pink unicorn is happily grazing grass in my back yard as I type this.
As Wilderide pointed out succinctly, skepticism requires no faith.
You are missing something.

Thousands of years and the beliefs are still here. Those people were just as intelligent and logical, maybe more so, than we are today. Must be something evidence wise to span the generations.

Atheism and its beliefs have existed, too. But the percentage has always been negligible. Must be a lack of evidence to support them.

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169620 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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For natural born fence sitters, yes. Thousands of years worth of complete lack of proof pretty well satisfies me. Otherwise you must completely consider and accept as entirely possible that my toaster flies around the kitchen at night and my invisible pink unicorn is happily grazing grass in my back yard as I type this.
As Wilderide pointed out succinctly, skepticism requires no faith.
It requires faith in the judgment of the skeptic by the skeptic..

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169621 Jun 21, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
Forgive me for asking, but where is the evidence? I have not seen any evidence so far that can convince me that the God of the Bible exists. Everything I have read feels like a farce. I read Lewis's book Mere Christianity, and to me it felt like something hollow and artificial.
So far, this God figure has not made any attempts at all to show himself to us since the past 2000 years, if indeed he did at all. Why not? If people are in such a need to know he exists, why does he not appear before them? Why need someone else to tell us that God exists?
Precisely. The xtian "we will all know someday" just doesn't do it for me, neither does "God works in mysterious ways." He is omnipotene and loves us. Why does s/he allow cancer, wars, natural disaster then? Is this how we should love our own children?

I have had the same questions. If such a maniacal, contradictory and and unreachable entity did exist....why should I care? Worship him/her/it? Surely they jest.
Siro

Auburn, Australia

#169622 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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For natural born fence sitters, yes. Thousands of years worth of complete lack of proof pretty well satisfies me. Otherwise you must completely consider and accept as entirely possible that my toaster flies around the kitchen at night and my invisible pink unicorn is happily grazing grass in my back yard as I type this.
As Wilderide pointed out succinctly, skepticism requires no faith.
But you are expecting physical proof of a non physical being, there is cause and effect but you are expecting if not demanding that cause to be purely physical.
You can say that skepticism requires no faith, but the skeptic expects to consistantly find failure (like the moron here who posts under that name)or no physical proof that they themselves can touch, see, hear, taste or feel.
You have marxist 'critical theory' which tries to validate itself as skepticism but cannot be because it seeks to redefine the meanings of effects in order to get the desired negative result.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169623 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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People get sensitized and reactive when they are called idiots and names for their beliefs. That is why I react to these Topix atheist idiots. I started out and made a mistake of not calling theists idiots and they jumped on me. They made me do it.
No one has made you do anything Davey boy. This is not the 6th grade playground. Accept responsibility for your own words or get on your knees and pray for your god's guidance. Either way, it's up to YOU.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169624 Jun 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
English isn't his strong point regardless of what screen name he uses.
Critical thinking isn't on his list either.:)
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On the other hand, I think we can put Megalomania and Delusions of Adequacy at the top of the list;0)

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169625 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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No one has made you do anything Davey boy. This is not the 6th grade playground. Accept responsibility for your own words or get on your knees and pray for your god's guidance. Either way, it's up to YOU.
Little girl, you haven't been on here long enough to know Davey boy.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169626 Jun 21, 2013
Siro wrote:
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But you are expecting physical proof of a non physical being, there is cause and effect but you are expecting if not demanding that cause to be purely physical.
You can say that skepticism requires no faith, but the skeptic expects to consistantly find failure (like the moron here who posts under that name)or no physical proof that they themselves can touch, see, hear, taste or feel.
You have marxist 'critical theory' which tries to validate itself as skepticism but cannot be because it seeks to redefine the meanings of effects in order to get the desired negative result.
Did not the god of the bible send physical proof in the form of manna from heaven, his only begotton son or the fire of pentecost?

He supposedly gave us the rainbow...but oops! we now know it's a refraction of light and a natural phenomena. Doesn't the bible say that he can touch our hearts? Then why must we have faith?

Don't get me wrong, I was raised in the church, tithed and taught a SS class for 10 years, all on "faith." I studied the bible from cover to cover and finally the contradictions, the supernatural nonsense and the evasive non answers to my questions brought me round. I left the church, a weight seemed to lift from my shoulders and I've never regretted it.

Even the story of doubting Thomas exhorts us to not question, not search too terribly closely or doubt any line that is spoon fed to us.

The final hook is eternal life, very few can turn that one down. If not by factual knowledge, at least by fervent hopes do they cling to that.

You cling to hope and barring a 'divine touch' I'll stick with verifiable facts.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169627 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Little girl, you haven't been on here long enough to know Davey boy.
I've been here longer than you have, read your own profile. It's beside each and every post you make Davey boy;0)

Since: Sep 08

Rocky Ford, CO

#169628 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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I've been here longer than you have, read your own profile. It's beside each and every post you make Davey boy;0)
Really? I've been on this for a while, and the PTAG since Dec 2010. I don't recall seeing your name until recently.

However, I do very much recognize your model of Topix atheist. We will give you a test drive later.

Goodnight. Us old timers need our sleep.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#169629 Jun 21, 2013
People believed for thousands of years that evil spirits caused disease so we can see that belief offers not a shred of proof.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>You are missing something.

Thousands of years and the beliefs are still here. Those people were just as intelligent and logical, maybe more so, than we are today. Must be something evidence wise to span the generations.

Atheism and its beliefs have existed, too. But the percentage has always been negligible. Must be a lack of evidence to support them.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#169630 Jun 21, 2013
Indeed as is the case with most Christholes.:)
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>On the other hand, I think we can put Megalomania and Delusions of Adequacy at the top of the list;0)

Since: Mar 11

United States

#169631 Jun 21, 2013
Check your diaper before you go to bed gramps.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Really? I've been on this for a while, and the PTAG since Dec 2010. I don't recall seeing your name until recently.

However, I do very much recognize your model of Topix atheist. We will give you a test drive later.

Goodnight. Us old timers need our sleep.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169632 Jun 21, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Really? I've been on this for a while, and the PTAG since Dec 2010. I don't recall seeing your name until recently.
However, I do very much recognize your model of Topix atheist. We will give you a test drive later.
Goodnight. Us old timers need our sleep.
Apparently, you didn't notice that I started in 07 and that you talk almost twice as much as I do.

I have other things to do besides Topix and I leave a thread occasionally when it fizzles out/the trolls have been thoroughly disproven....they keep on bleating....but who cares;0)

Good night, oldtimer.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#169633 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Apparently, you didn't notice that I started in 07 and that you talk almost twice as much as I do.
I have other things to do besides Topix and I leave a thread occasionally when it fizzles out/the trolls have been thoroughly disproven....they keep on bleating....but who cares;0)
Good night, oldtimer.
If anyone understands you talking , then esp is for real. I'll have to use the keyboard.
Just messing with you. lol Did you hear what I said?
Wait, I'm trying to send you a mental picture,........
phooey n/m it hurts. lmao
Siro

Melbourne, Australia

#169634 Jun 21, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Did not the god of the bible send physical proof in the form of manna from heaven, his only begotton son or the fire of pentecost?
If manna is the visible physical effect then what was the cause?
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
He supposedly gave us the rainbow...but oops! we now know it's a refraction of light and a natural phenomena.
Same from above applies here.
Is nature self created? And how do all the different components work together and how was this arranged?
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>Doesn't the bible say that he can touch our hearts? Then why must we have faith?
He can touch our hearts and on the same level it is your choice whether or not to have faith.
If you choose not to have faith, he can choose not to touch your heart.
Its not all about you....you know.
albtraum wrote:
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Don't get me wrong, I was raised in the church, tithed and taught a SS class for 10 years, all on "faith." I studied the bible from cover to cover and finally the contradictions, the supernatural nonsense and the evasive non answers to my questions brought me round. I left the church, a weight seemed to lift from my shoulders and I've never regretted it.
Even the story of doubting Thomas exhorts us to not question, not search too terribly closely or doubt any line that is spoon fed to us.
The final hook is eternal life, very few can turn that one down. If not by factual knowledge, at least by fervent hopes do they cling to that.
You cling to hope and barring a 'divine touch' I'll stick with verifiable facts.
Sounds like you have a problem with the religion you were in - not God.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#169635 Jun 22, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You are missing something.
Thousands of years and the beliefs are still here. Those people were just as intelligent and logical, maybe more so, than we are today. Must be something evidence wise to span the generations.
Atheism and its beliefs have existed, too. But the percentage has always been negligible. Must be a lack of evidence to support them.
I am impressed how confidently you use appeals to popularity. A similar argument could have been used for spontaneous generation a few hundred years back.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#169636 Jun 22, 2013
Even Aristotle and his contemporaries thought flies came from meat! And here we are, thousands of years later, and everyone still believes it! Must mean *something!*

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#169637 Jun 22, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Did not the god of the bible send physical proof in the form of manna from heaven, his only begotton son or the fire of pentecost?
He supposedly gave us the rainbow...but oops! we now know it's a refraction of light and a natural phenomena. Doesn't the bible say that he can touch our hearts? Then why must we have faith?
Don't get me wrong, I was raised in the church, tithed and taught a SS class for 10 years, all on "faith." I studied the bible from cover to cover and finally the contradictions, the supernatural nonsense and the evasive non answers to my questions brought me round. I left the church, a weight seemed to lift from my shoulders and I've never regretted it.
Even the story of doubting Thomas exhorts us to not question, not search too terribly closely or doubt any line that is spoon fed to us.
The final hook is eternal life, very few can turn that one down. If not by factual knowledge, at least by fervent hopes do they cling to that.
You cling to hope and barring a 'divine touch' I'll stick with verifiable facts.
I'm impressed you were able to break free after so long. I got out early. When I was in sunday school one day, I decided to ask my teacher if jesus had sinned when he got angry and broke up the money changers market - since anger was a sin. Silence. Granted, a more formidable theological mind could have probably set my mind at ease (he could have told me about the "good anger" of righteous indignation), but that reaction was enough to sow the seeds of doubt early.

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