Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jun 13

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#169513 Jun 19, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>Once again, time doesn't 'come from' anything. That is because time has to be uncaused: causes require time.

One problem you seem to have is the whole notion of spacetime as a unit. That includes all of space and all of time as a single entity, spacetime. Because causes require time, which is part of spacetime, there can be no cause of spacetime as a whole. Furthermore, asking about 'before' the Big Bang is literally just like asking what is north of the north pole.
"Once again, time doesn't 'come from' anything. That is because time has to be uncaused: causes require time."

Right, Time only comes from nothing.

I know space and time are connected.
Not a big deal when dealing with the start of everything.

"Once again, time doesn't 'come from' anything. "

I know time only comes from nothing, got it.

Look I get the whole thing your trying to get me to buy into about time being self generating that it took absolutely no outside influence to create it. I got what your saying! I just don't buy it.

Absolute "NOTHINGNESS" cannot decay into or change into or spawn into or harbor TIME. Time cannot self generate with NOTHING to work with.

Since: Jun 13

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#169514 Jun 19, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>That was one of your more cogent posts. Since I just woke up and still not up to speed, maybe we can communicate for a change.

Perhaps you can get a glimpse of the esoterica I have been saying modern mat6h based physics has fallen in to as exemplified by this caused and uncaused thingy.

Time exists for us strictly because things appear to be in motion. Motion gives the means to measure time. Therefore, for you to analyze this universe, you can only do so relative to this motion, and a lot of supposition has been made about measuring points based upon our local observation of this motion. Relativity on a grand scale.

Anyhow, due to a relativity issue between my brain speed and universal time right now, I will just say that motion is THE force that set this universe in motion. This motion requires a cause. It may be north of the north pole, but it exists. It has to by the requirements of our own physics.

Our own physics reveals a process of expansion and growth that permeates our world. Little things, like seeds sprouting into life from chemical combinations. Those chemicals were assembled in a pattern "designed" to follow laws allowing for this expansion and animation to come forth. A seed is a singularity relative to the finished product.

You have read my frequent comparisons of the BB to a seed. This hot dense stuff it was supposed to have been is what you will see similar to seed imbibition when the seeds get watered. It starts the energy releases and raises the temp before expansion spreads the heat around.

The formation of this universe follows much the same pattern as components of it do creating what we call life and existence. Modern physics refuses to make that connection. They are stuck studying thingies instead of the overall process.

Seeds are caused and designed. We are all a bunch of glorified rutabagas.
"rutabagas" ?

Atheist like APEricots.

Since: Jun 13

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#169515 Jun 19, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
<quoted text>Err...YES YOU DID!

Only a few very minor details.

Homo sapiens prototypes like:
Neanderthals? Cro-Magon?

Dinosaurs?

Fossils?

Tell us all about how these managed to EXIST, unknown to God?

It seems they have been forgotten by the religious, but those nasty bones and fossils do present a major problem in your fairy tale don't they?

A brief time-line would be appreciated.

I nice essay explaining to the forum, how each different iteration of Homo sapiens racial type occurred, and why thy BuyBull fails to mention it?
Buybull the great book on evolution!

B - bull crap
U - unproven theory
Y - yelled from the roof tops
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie

Since: Jun 13

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#169516 Jun 19, 2013
Miner49 wrote:
"you've got all of everything coming from NOTHING. At least I have it being created by God."

So who created God?

He must have been created or else he came from NOTHING.
Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.

God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!

He created time he is not bound by it.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#169517 Jun 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.
God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!
He created time he is not bound by it.
God never made any claim ever, men made claims.
Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it. God did it, the absolute morons answer for everything. OK so god did you say....Now explain very carefully how god did it. Did he twinkle his nose? Click his heels together?
Of is it you haven't a fucking clue, so you said god did it....moron!

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#169518 Jun 19, 2013
So you are saying you don't believe what the bible says I see.

Great start.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>Prove it.

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#169519 Jun 19, 2013
Fixed.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>Buybull the great book on Christianity!

B - bull crap
U - unproven theory
Y - yelled from the roof tops
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie

Since: Mar 11

Henderson, KY

#169520 Jun 19, 2013
Exactly! Think about this for a second.

You have this supposed almighty being who is powerful beyond time and space. He can bend the laws of physics with a thought, he is majestic and awe inspiring and will be for all eternity and we are mere insects before him...... Lol...... And he has a son!

Lmfao!

Oh isn't that sweet that the almighty alpha and omega needs a friggen son! Oh and what is the job of this so called son? To clean up the mess that his omnipotent @ss made!

Well son, time for your suicide mission, don't worry I won't forsake you (wink) because uh I am you!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>God never made any claim ever, men made claims.
Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it. God did it, the absolute morons answer for everything. OK so god did you say....Now explain very carefully how god did it. Did he twinkle his nose? Click his heels together?
Of is it you haven't a fucking clue, so you said god did it....moron!

Since: Jun 13

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#169521 Jun 19, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>God never made any claim ever, men made claims.
Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it. God did it, the absolute morons answer for everything. OK so god did you say....Now explain very carefully how god did it. Did he twinkle his nose? Click his heels together?
Of is it you haven't a fucking clue, so you said god did it....moron!
Wrong. But you'll find that out on your own one day.

"Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it"

Where did time come from?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169522 Jun 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.

God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!

He created time he is not bound by it.
How convenient.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#169523 Jun 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. But you'll find that out on your own one day.
"Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it"
Where did time come from?
Another fallacy , Pascal's wager.
Time is an abstract mathematical measuring concept , to explain temporal movement in a 4th dimension.
Time IS a human construct. It is the measure of the 4th dimension propagation of the universe and all things within it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169524 Jun 19, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.
God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!
He created time he is not bound by it.
Since you have no evidence your god exists, the claims made by it are .... useless.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169525 Jun 20, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>
Eye do good, how about you?
Yes, you do feyene. Eye don't get on here queyete as often as eye used to.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#169526 Jun 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.
God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!
He created time he is not bound by it.
Soooo, you use your god to prove your god??? Nice circular thinking.
Imhotep

Sanford, FL

#169527 Jun 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Fixed.
<quoted text>
.

It needed more " fluff" ;)

B - Believe me
U - Until I
Y - Yell from the roof tops
B - Begging all to Believe in Something that is
U - unscientific, Unknowable unimaginative and a
L - Laughable and ludicrous
L - lie, that only the uneducated can believe.
Imhotep

Sanford, FL

#169528 Jun 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong. But you'll find that out on your own one day.
"Stupid men who couldn't explain anything created the excuse for not being able to explain it"
Where did time come from?
Where did time come from?
A Watch or Clock or Hourglass

A True Believer® asked me if I knew what time it was. I said, "Yes, but not right now."

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
-Douglas Adams

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#169529 Jun 20, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did time come from?
A Watch or Clock or Hourglass
A True Believer® asked me if I knew what time it was. I said, "Yes, but not right now."
"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."
-Douglas Adams
Your self-deprecating style of humor must have taken a long period of development and commitment on your part. You are very good at it.

Since: Mar 11

Melbourne, Australia

#169530 Jun 20, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
[quoted text]
<quoted text>Wrong. Unlike science who claims the universe started 13.7 billion years ago.
They set the start time. Therefore they are stuck with the Nothing to something problem.

God never makes this kind of claim. God claims to have always existed and will always exist. See God is outside of Time!

He created time he is not bound by it.

SaidI: Man made time. Before our brains grew and before we learnt much we didn't need to have time. The more we evolve the more we learn the more time has become important to us.
God didn't make time what would God need that for? Oh it's time I made another universe, time I threw more rock at the moon, time to swirl my finger here to make another black hole. He certainly wouldn't need time.
There was obviously something, gases and other stuff, that was capable of exploding, stuff that created energy, particles, etc. I'm sure you've now read about on here, no not giving links to prove this, I don't need to. It's obvious.

Since: Sep 08

La Veta, CO

#169531 Jun 20, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Exactly! Think about this for a second.
You have this supposed almighty being who is powerful beyond time and space. He can bend the laws of physics with a thought, he is majestic and awe inspiring and will be for all eternity and we are mere insects before him...... Lol...... And he has a son!
Lmfao!
Oh isn't that sweet that the almighty alpha and omega needs a friggen son! Oh and what is the job of this so called son? To clean up the mess that his omnipotent @ss made!
Well son, time for your suicide mission, don't worry I won't forsake you (wink) because uh I am you!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
<quoted text>
It is unfortunate we have to suffer the effects of such a simply constructed mind as yours ejaculating thoughts before they are mature all over these forums.

You can't see an all encompassing life force, deity, or whatever you want to call it from your physical human perspective. You couldn't see it directly, nor could you feel it directly, nor could you hear it directly. As a physical manifestation that would be like floating down a river. You don't feel the full force of the river, just the forces diverted trying to get you to move.

The Biblical story reveals an all powerful force that created something. It used to communicate with it. Then this thingy felt separate, and it lost the ability to communicate directly. This powerful force became frustrated with trying to reach this dense object in its midst, an object that couldn't see it directly. It finally dawned on it that it would have to manifest a part of itself as one of these dense objects to tell it how to get back home. The light was still in the window.

However, some of these dense objects get real dense, and will never see the light. When they dissolve back into the river they don't do it as the coherent, or semi-coherent, assemblages of this life energy they were formed from. The current washes them away you could say.

Now, go switch on your Johnson, Butch, get to thinking, and come back to us again.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169532 Jun 20, 2013
saidI wrote:
...
He created time he is not bound by it.
...
So then your god does not exist. That was easy.

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