Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#169089 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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The only free will is the decision to accept you are part of a process and go with it, enjoying the ride, or to deny it and be torn asunder.
Or something like that.
That is not free will if the choice has already been made, and if it is known, then it has already happened and cannot be changed.

“Move into the light.”

Since: Dec 10

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#169090 Jun 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That is not free will if the choice has already been made, and if it is known, then it has already happened and cannot be changed.
Like gods playing a messed up recording, over and over and getting pissed off every time because it's messed up.
Lame god wont fix it either, because he enjoys the fact it's messed up.
Imhotep

Gainesville, FL

#169091 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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Atheists are too stupid to be evil. That is why they are used as tools.
Satan has never been portrayed as dumb, only those who fall under his influence.
That was allegorical, but true.
Who was it that created Satan?
Atheists or god?

Lmao

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#169092 Jun 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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That is not free will if the choice has already been made, and if it is known, then it has already happened and cannot be changed.
You are a mechanical device, part of a larger process.

Yet you have the ability to accept that or not.
Imhotep

Gainesville, FL

#169093 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
The only free will is the decision to accept you are part of a process and go with it, enjoying the ride, or to deny it and be torn asunder.
Or something like that.
What is so hard about accepting a FREE gift of salvation from the Lord Jesus Christ?

It doesn't require anything on your part, but to accept it.

If this gift truly required nothing as the claim says, then you wouldn't have to accept it to be saved.

This line of reasoning is used repeatedly by those trolling for converts in schools, offices, on TV, and just about anywhere else you find an aggressive member of the cult of Jesus roaches.

It's the same nonsense that is spewed and taught in Bible study classrooms in most churches.

The problem is that the gift of salvation as taught in the Bible is anything but free.

It first requires that you perform a work. That work is believing Jesus is your Savior and that only he can serve as your intermediary with God. Of course it also means that you accept all the baggage that goes along with that.

It means you accept as truth that this "God" will punish people for the "sin" of disbelief(Mark 16:16, John 16:9, John 3:18, John 3:36, Heb 3:12, 1 John 2:22),

it requires that you worship a God who will provide infinite punishment for finite sins, and it requires that you accept a God with the behavior of a rather manipulative, power hungry, petty tyrant.

IT MEANS YOU MUST ABANDON YOUR MIND IN ORDER TO SAVE YOUR SOUL

You must confess Jesus is your Lord and worship him as such.

That act is a "work" in itself. Faith is also a work.

Make no mistake concerning the actual nature of this so-called "free" gift.

Salvation is exchanged for worship and it's nothing more than a holy barter system where you say the magic words and you are saved. On the surface it's cheap, easy, and painless.

It appeals to anyone who doesn't want to be burdened with thinking for themselves, but it's in no sense "free".

This form of holy fire insurance is nothing more than false advertising and should be treated with the same regard one would have when he opens a box of Cracker Jacks and digs out the cheap trinket that came as a "free" gift when you purchased the box it came in.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#169094 Jun 16, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Who was it that created Satan?
Atheists or god?
Lmao
If you were blessed, in the figurative sense, with the ability to transcend your purely physical machinelike existence you would have a better perspective of what that is all about.

However, feel free to function with what you have available with no regrets or guilt. You can only do what you are capable of. The higher forces understand that. They invented recycling.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#169095 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were blessed, in the figurative sense, with the ability to transcend your purely physical machinelike existence you would have a better perspective of what that is all about.
However, feel free to function with what you have available with no regrets or guilt. You can only do what you are capable of. The higher forces understand that. They invented recycling.
Rubbish lies from the failed creationist who denies the fact of evolution.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#169096 Jun 16, 2013
T-Town Clown wrote:
<quoted text>evolution is a lie... there is no evidence only lies
Hypothetical question.

If evolution were proven to your satisfaction (remember. Hypothetical. Just pretend), what effect would that have on your religious beliefs?

Since: Jun 07

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#169097 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were blessed, in the figurative sense, with the ability to transcend your purely physical machinelike existence you would have a better perspective of what that is all about.
However, feel free to function with what you have available with no regrets or guilt. You can only do what you are capable of. The higher forces understand that. They invented recycling.
The last time you came here you told us humans rode on the backs of dinosaurs, fossils aren't "really there" and that water can turn into wine.

Why the f*ck should anyone trust your stupid ignorant lies again?

Why have you come back? Do you have any different, better creationist lies to tell us?

No, so f*ck off back to 2005, when the dicovery institute actually had a strategy.

Useless.

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#169098 Jun 16, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The last time you came here you told us humans rode on the backs of dinosaurs, fossils aren't "really there" and that water can turn into wine.
Why the f*ck should anyone trust your stupid ignorant lies again?
Why have you come back? Do you have any different, better creationist lies to tell us?
No, so f*ck off back to 2005, when the dicovery institute actually had a strategy.
Useless.
Your memories are evidence of your mental dysfunction.
susanblange

Norfolk, VA

#169099 Jun 16, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
The last time you came here you told us humans rode on the backs of dinosaurs, fossils aren't "really there" and that water can turn into wine.
Why the f*ck should anyone trust your stupid ignorant lies again?
Why have you come back? Do you have any different, better creationist lies to tell us?
No, so f*ck off back to 2005, when the dicovery institute actually had a strategy.
Useless.
Water can be turned into wine, it's a common charlatans trick. I also saw Criss Angel, mind freak walk on water! Jesus is called a sorcerer in Isaiah 57:3 and he learned it during the ten years he spent in Egypt during his childhood.
Bongo

Coram, NY

#169100 Jun 16, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were blessed, in the figurative sense, with the ability to transcend your purely physical machinelike existence you would have a better perspective of what that is all about.
However, feel free to function with what you have available with no regrets or guilt. You can only do what you are capable of. The higher forces understand that. They invented recycling.
so when God poops, atheists will be like corn in his shit?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#169101 Jun 16, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know that you believe in a human sacrifice cult? Many christians seem oblivious to the fact that they believe wholeheartedly in the concept of substitutional atonement - really, you guys aren't much better than the south american human sacrifice nonsense.
Did you know this proves your ignorance of my faith? It all shows so much hate.

I don't know why the children of the corn hate so much? It's not like they are in hell already.

Since: Aug 11

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#169102 Jun 16, 2013
The end is near.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#169103 Jun 16, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>There's no such thing as freedom of choice in a universe governed by an omnipotent, omniscient deity.
Your rule?

Not Gods that's for sure.

Since: Jun 13

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#169104 Jun 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>If there is anything omniscient, then there is no freedom of choice because once the future is known, it's set in stone.
Quack Quack.

Just because God knows all does not mean you didn't choose to go to hell.

“Move into the light.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#169105 Jun 16, 2013
susanblange wrote:
<quoted text>Water can be turned into wine, it's a common charlatans trick. I also saw Criss Angel, mind freak walk on water! Jesus is called a sorcerer in Isaiah 57:3 and he learned it during the ten years he spent in Egypt during his childhood.
Hello Miss Sai Yah , are you feeling fruity this morning as usual?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#169106 Jun 16, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Your god allowed Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter as a burnt offering to him.
That's called freedom of choice. It was Jephthah who made up the contract.

God did not say "ok Jephthah I will let you win your war but you must then offer your daughter to me as a burnt offering".

Nope it was Jephthah who said "Lord if you let me win this war I will offer up to you the first who walk out of my door when I return"

I would also point out that no where in the bible is this burnt offering of his Daughter ever carried out.

Since: Jun 13

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#169107 Jun 16, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Saying "wrong" doesn't make me incorrect. If the future is known, it cannot change, for if it can change, then it is not known.
No, it's just stating the facts. You make you incorrect.

Quack. Quack.

Since: Jun 13

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#169108 Jun 16, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
<quoted text>That's right. God put all that faked evidence out there to fool us all. seems your god's middle name is Loki
The Cambrian explosion was really the Cambrian extinction. The results if Noah's flood.

To make a fossil you must bury the dead fast else it just rots away.
There are jelly fish fossils from this Cambrian extinction. A pretty major event would be needed to make fossil all over the world of the same time period. We call it Noah's flood.

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