Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#166158
May 27, 2013
 
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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What's the point of gently striking somebody?
Other than pour le sport?
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May 27, 2013
 
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Atheist does to require a belief, the belief that deities don't exist.
Since that is NOT knowledge, it's belief, opinion, faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence, whatever you want to call it, it's not a fact that deities don't exist.
Since FACTS are defined as...."A thing that is INDISPUTABLY the case" and since the existence of deities is certainly disputable, the by definition, it is a FACT that deities do not exits.

Since a FACT is......"A piece of information used as EVIDENCE" ( your lest favorite word) And since there is no EVIDENCE for deities, it become a FACT that deities do not exist.

You'd do well to try and really understand the following. I do understand that no amount of logic or reason can penetrate the damage that religion has done to your thought process, but give it a try.

"When considering any matter of philosophy, ask yourself ONLY what are the FACTS and what is the TRUTH that these FACTS bear out. NEVER let yourself be diverted either by what you WISH to believe, or by what you THINK would have been socially acceptable to believe, but look ONLY and SOLELY at what are the FACTS." Bertrand Russell

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#166160
May 27, 2013
 
His bible would have you stone them to death.
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<quoted text>No, redneck.

My belief is that it is child abuse to hit a six-month-old baby.

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#166161
May 27, 2013
 
Please donate your time to people who suffer from head injuries like Dave here.

It's so sad and now dementia is compounding his condition :(
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>The self righteousness you and your fellows exhibit is beyond description.

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#166162
May 27, 2013
 
Once again ditch digger, atheism is not believing in a god. Show observable proof and we can go from there.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Atheist does to require a belief, the belief that deities don't exist.

Since that is NOT knowledge, it's belief, opinion, faith, trust, confidence, persuasion, credence, whatever you want to call it, it's not a fact that deities don't exist.

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#166163
May 27, 2013
 
I do not believe in a personal god. Albert Einstein.
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>How many religions and sects of them are there? A rather large variety, right? They even fight each other.

How many versions of atheism are there? Including the one claiming "science" as it basis.

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
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You keep merrily marching on, now.

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#166164
May 27, 2013
 
I often wonder if the ditch digger realizes how stupid he makes himself look on here.
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<quoted text>That'd be a wee tad different...

But Redneck's lost his effing mind.

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#166165
May 27, 2013
 
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Other than pour le sport?
I'll have to talk to HL. She never spanks gently.

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May 27, 2013
 
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Since FACTS are defined as...."A thing that is INDISPUTABLY the case" and since the existence of deities is certainly disputable, the by definition, it is a FACT that deities do not exits.
Since a FACT is......"A piece of information used as EVIDENCE" ( your lest favorite word) And since there is no EVIDENCE for deities, it become a FACT that deities do not exist.
You'd do well to try and really understand the following. I do understand that no amount of logic or reason can penetrate the damage that religion has done to your thought process, but give it a try.
"When considering any matter of philosophy, ask yourself ONLY what are the FACTS and what is the TRUTH that these FACTS bear out. NEVER let yourself be diverted either by what you WISH to believe, or by what you THINK would have been socially acceptable to believe, but look ONLY and SOLELY at what are the FACTS." Bertrand Russell
well, instead of quibbling over definitions, id say that absence of evidence is only evidence of absence when you should have more evidence tan what you have available. that being said, any argument for the existance of God makes the idea of his non existance anything but a fact. for example, if i arguend that moraals prove Gods existance, then the idea that there is no God is under despute, making his non existance anthing but a face by your terms. the term fact is used too loosely in this case.
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May 27, 2013
 
Ray puelerico wrote:
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well, instead of quibbling over definitions, id say that absence of evidence is only evidence of absence when you should have more evidence tan what you have available. that being said, any argument for the existance of God makes the idea of his non existance anything but a fact. for example, if i arguend that moraals prove Gods existance, then the idea that there is no God is under despute, making his non existance anthing but a face by your terms. the term fact is used too loosely in this case.
There is no quibbling over definitions here. The definitions I gave for FACTS is not up for debate, those are simply what facts are.

Something is either true or it isn't, there is no third choice. What methodology do we use to determine wether something is true of not? Isn't it extremely important to ascertain whether something is true or not? Is not evidence one of the most important aspects of making that determination? Without evidence you have NOTHING. Without demonstrable facts, you have NOTHING. Until someone can produce evidence for the existence of God, until someone can produce anything factual about God, then all that is left is because of absents of evidence it is a fact that no God exists. Personal experiences, anecdotal testimony, the words in holy books, the belief by millions, none of these can be used as evidence. You are simply left with a belief, not a fact.

And morals do NOT prove the existence of God, morals are governed by man and the various societies of man.

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#166168
May 28, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>The self righteousness you and your fellows exhibit is beyond description.
Yours isn't.

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May 28, 2013
 
_-Alice-_ wrote:
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I'll have to talk to HL. She never spanks gently.
Well, if that's how ya like it, nihil obstat...

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May 28, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>How many religions and sects of them are there? A rather large variety, right? They even fight each other.

How many versions of atheism are there? Including the one claiming "science" as it basis.

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein

You keep merrily marching on, now.
Trying to organize atheists is like trying to herd cats.
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May 28, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Trying to organize atheists is like trying to herd cats.
pee wee and the stray cat shuffle bwhahahahahahahaha
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May 28, 2013
 
Dave Nelson wrote:
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How many religions and sects of them are there? A rather large variety, right? They even fight each other.
How many versions of atheism are there? Including the one claiming "science" as it basis.
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein
You keep merrily marching on, now.
Once again you're too stupid to understand the context. Too bad you can't twist Einstein's thoughts. We do understand your religion has taught you to lie.

The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.

We should be agnostic about those things for which there is no evidence. We should not hold beliefs merely because they gratify our desires for afterlife or immortality.

If you really believe that death leads to eternal bliss then why are you wearing a seat belt?

You belong to the church - stay there

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#166174
May 28, 2013
 
Aerobatty wrote:
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Trying to organize atheists is like trying to herd cats.
Oh, they are very easy to route march. Not so easy for them to march in any sort of precision, though. Too many random firing neurons.

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Imhotep wrote:
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Once again you're too stupid to understand the context. Too bad you can't twist Einstein's thoughts. We do understand your religion has taught you to lie.
The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.
We should be agnostic about those things for which there is no evidence. We should not hold beliefs merely because they gratify our desires for afterlife or immortality.
If you really believe that death leads to eternal bliss then why are you wearing a seat belt?
You belong to the church - stay there
Your youthful and immature intellect is amusing.

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May 28, 2013
 
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> pee wee and the stray cat shuffle bwhahahahahahahaha
Hey. You stole my laugh, you big yankee.

Might have to drive north and line you up.

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#166177
May 28, 2013
 
Dave isn't going to like his chubby man bride doing that.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>Hey. You stole my laugh, you big yankee.

Might have to drive north and line you up.

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#166178
May 28, 2013
 
How many head injuries did it take you to get like this?
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, they are very easy to route march. Not so easy for them to march in any sort of precision, though. Too many random firing neurons.

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