Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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Since: Jun 07

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#166025 May 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
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You do your own "thinking" and have drawn conclusions with said "thinking" within the parameters for such set in you by others.
You don't know how to get out of the box you are in.
I have all my fingers, although three have been altered from their original state.
Says the religious liar who tries his best to avoid facing the fact that he has no proof of god.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166026 May 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>The changeover from BC to AD is based upon the crucifixion, not the birth.

Why do Topix atheists rant and rail from a position of ignorance? Perhaps they are made that way.
Wow.

Dave and buck show up together again.

Q'elle surprise!

Taking a break from the honeymoon sex?

Where's bongo? Both hands busy?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166027 May 26, 2013
Dave Nelson wrote:
<quoted text>Seeking "the truth" requires different perspectives, and a fleshing out of them. A sort of "scientific approach".

You clowns just recite from a book someone recently wrote for you. No questioning of it.

Hardly "original" thinking.

BTW, "science" does not disprove a Creator. It is just an analysis of how something presently works. Yet you clowns say it does. Only in your own little and constrained minds.

Try thinking more deeply about thinking and existence. On your own.
Then why do so many Christians reject well established science?

Why is evidence based knowledge such a threat to bible believing Christians?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166028 May 26, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>Youre just a witty buffoon , with a law license.
THERE'S bongo.

I see you finished off Dave and buck.

Good boy.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166029 May 26, 2013

Since: Sep 11

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#166030 May 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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Then why do so many Christians reject well established science?
Why is evidence based knowledge such a threat to bible believing Christians?
Because if you teach them to think rationally, they will necessarily reject religion.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166031 May 26, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Because if you teach them to think rationally, they will necessarily reject religion.
transference of belief. rational from am irrational atheist doesn't allow for an emotional state of being. thus an irrational atheist doesn't allow emotional or subjective states. yet they often spew hatred, invectives, and condescension as a rational response
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166032 May 26, 2013
we saving the world again?

atheist?

christian?

buddhist?

jewish?

moslem?

hindu?

how do you like the emperor's new clothes, NOW?

i just can't get enough.

COME ON, GIVE IT TO ME.

I'M in heat and i need it bad
Bongo

Bayport, NY

#166033 May 26, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
THERE'S bongo.
I see you finished off Dave and buck.
Good boy.
Listen pee wee , im not worthy of untying their shoe latch. Do you feel intimidated by the 2 smartest people in the room?

Since: Sep 11

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#166034 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>transference of belief. rational from am irrational atheist doesn't allow for an emotional state of being. thus an irrational atheist doesn't allow emotional or subjective states. yet they often spew hatred, invectives, and condescension as a rational response
What in the world are you talking about? What do you mean "atheists don't allow emotional or subjective states?" We certainly "allow" them in that we experience them, but they aren't proof of anything. If you want to submit subjective spiritual experience as "proof," you must accept every spiritual experience ever, which sure would "prove" a lot of gods.

Since: Sep 11

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#166035 May 26, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> Listen pee wee , im not worthy of untying their shoe latch. Do you feel intimidated by the 2 smartest people in the room?
Why don't you just blow them and get it over with?
Imhotep

Fayetteville, NC

#166036 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
we saving the world again?
atheist?
christian?
buddhist?
jewish?
moslem?
hindu?
how do you like the emperor's new clothes, NOW?
i just can't get enough.
COME ON, GIVE IT TO ME.
I'M in heat and i need it bad
Take a very cold shower!
Then avoid religion at all costs in the future.

“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#166037 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>transference of belief. rational from am irrational atheist doesn't allow for an emotional state of being. thus an irrational atheist doesn't allow emotional or subjective states. yet they often spew hatred, invectives, and condescension as a rational response
Huh?? Atheists have emotional states. We love, care, are happy, sad, angry, calm, feel awe, etc. We also understand that those emotional states don't determine reality. Whether you *like* the way the universe is or not is irrelevant to the *truth* opf how it is.

We can enjoy a sunset, be amazed at the beauty of the stars, be moved by a concert, or a painting, or a piece of literature.

We love our children and our families. We care about our government, our land, and the future of humans on earth (and off it).

We simply don't believe in a deity. Your personal anectdotes don't prove a deity exists. They only prove you have had a moving personal experience. But such experiences are a dime a dozen and are had by people who end up disagreeing about specifics. This means we question the validity of the *conclusions* you draw from your experiences.

What I have found is that theists become very angry when challenged to actually provide proofs of their claims. They think scepticism is 'hate' and any questioning is disrespectful.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166038 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a very cold shower!
Then avoid religion at all costs in the future.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
i don't care what hitchens says. humans have subjective states.

denying them is irrational and subjective. cold showers vs hot showers doesn't make a difference. in everyone's life some rain must fall.

belief is a human condition, even a humanist condition. spare me the hypocrisy
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166039 May 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh?? Atheists have emotional states. We love, care, are happy, sad, angry, calm, feel awe, etc. We also understand that those emotional states don't determine reality. Whether you *like* the way the universe is or not is irrelevant to the *truth* opf how it is.
We can enjoy a sunset, be amazed at the beauty of the stars, be moved by a concert, or a painting, or a piece of literature.
We love our children and our families. We care about our government, our land, and the future of humans on earth (and off it).
We simply don't believe in a deity. Your personal anectdotes don't prove a deity exists. They only prove you have had a moving personal experience. But such experiences are a dime a dozen and are had by people who end up disagreeing about specifics. This means we question the validity of the *conclusions* you draw from your experiences.
What I have found is that theists become very angry when challenged to actually provide proofs of their claims. They think scepticism is 'hate' and any questioning is disrespectful.
emotions aren't considered rational. they are subjective. welcome to the human race.

two sides of the same coin janus, two faced.
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166040 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Take a very cold shower!
Then avoid religion at all costs in the future.
“Organised religion is violent, irrational, intolerant, allied to racism, tribalism, and bigotry, invested in ignorance and hostile to free inquiry, contemptuous of women and coercive toward children.”
~Christopher Hitchens
you don't think(believe) the humanist movement isn't organizing?

in nature's scheme balance is the ideal. she abhors a vacuum.

nothing to excess. fill it up, feel me up?
Imhotep

Sevierville, TN

#166041 May 26, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text>you don't think(believe) the humanist movement isn't organizing?
in nature's scheme balance is the ideal. she abhors a vacuum.
nothing to excess. fill it up, feel me up?
OK! Happy to enlighten you...

Forget every current organized religion on the planet.

This is all mankind will ever need... and it was stated, long before the current cults.

"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE

"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE

"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE

"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE

"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE

"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE

"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#166042 May 26, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text>Listen pee wee , im not worthy of untying their shoe latch. Do you feel intimidated by the 2 smartest people in the room?
Intelligence never intimidates me.

Do you use lube?
harpocrates

Williamsburg, KY

#166043 May 26, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
OK! Happy to enlighten you...
Forget every current organized religion on the planet.
This is all mankind will ever need... and it was stated, long before the current cults.
"This is the sum of duty. Do not unto others that which would cause you pain if done to you." -- Mahabharata 5:1517, from the Vedic tradition of India, circa 3000 BCE
"What is hateful to you, do not to our fellow man. That is entire Law, all the rest is commentary." -- Talmud, Shabbat 31a, from the Judaic tradition, circa 1300 BCE
"That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself." -- Avesta, Dadistan-i-dinik 94:5, from the Zoroastrian tradition, circa 600 BCE
"Hurt not others in ways that you find hurtful." -- Tripitaka, Udanga-varga 5,18 , from the Buddhist tradition, circa 525 BCE
"Surely it is the maxim of loving kindness, do not unto others that which you would not have done unto you." -- Analects, Lun-yu XV,23, from the Confucian tradition, circa 500 BCE
"One should treat all beings as he himself would be treated." -- Agamas, Sutrakrtanga 1.10, 1-3, from the Jain tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Regard your neighbor's gain as your gain and your neighbor's loss as your loss." -- Tai-shang Kang-ying P'ien, from the Taoist tradition, circa 500 BCE
"Do not do to others that which would anger you if others did it to you." -- Socrates (the Greek philosopher), circa 470-399 BCE
how about forgetting every known belief system; including humanism too?

the names change but the actions never do.

nature made me perfect; so why a need for a re-dress under the organization of humanism?

its ONE MYSTERY, unio mystica, ONE LAW,

Since: Sep 08

Westcliffe, CO

#166044 May 26, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Meaning they couldn't restore them after your head injured self chopped them off?
<quoted text>
I chopped them up, not off. Missing meat and some knuckle. The ER doctor had me transported 130 miles to the nearest hospital with a hand surgeon, as he expected them to come off. Their ER was swamped that night, so they just sewed things back together the best they could. Too far to go for followup. They discharged me around midnight into 40 degree weather with a 40 mph wind, wearing just a sweatshirt and jeans. My car was 150 miles away. A nice neighbor drove all that way to pick me up.

Took me three days before I unbandaged and looked at them expecting to see green. They came out pretty good considering. I'm a good healer. Good ER doctor that did the sewing, too.

I was drilling holes in tiny pieces of sheet metal the next day. The nick I got in my finger on the other hand was more distracting than the chopped up finger. Used the saw again within the first week. With a certain enhanced respect for its abilities.

The chip guard had a habit of falling down. I had just finished my cuts and was pulling away over the top of the blade, which was even with the top of the rip fence, when it fell, knocking my fingers into the blade. The rip fence kept my fingers from getting chopped off.

Just another mistake in life I escaped and learned something from. You would have cried and railed against the saw manufacturer. No way would you believe you could do something stupid like that. Your stupidity is expressed in other ways.

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