Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165672 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You claim this but cannot account for reason itself.
You have also once again failed to present a reasonable argument, instead confusing your opinion as a logical argument.
There is a distinct difference between the two, asserting an opinion is not an exercise in logic...
No, atheism is the result of reason and logic. Why are you posting non-sequitors?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165673 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You are an atheist, upon what absolute moral position do you judge morality with?
The same you do, we use our judgment, empathy, and conscience. If you do not utilize these, then that makes you a sociopath.

Since: Jan 13

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#165674 May 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>No that isn't what I wrote.
I wrote that what topix theists think is atheism for many is no more than rational skepticism based on scientific reasoning, or aka freethinking based on logical thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freethought
Posting a wiki link does not remove from you the need to account for the existence of logic...

You claim atheists use logic, but you continually fail to account for logic.

You are like a man pulled over by the police and when asked to prove you own the car, you keep asserting the mere fact you are driving the car proves your ownership...

Since: Jan 13

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#165675 May 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>This is the classic attempt to shift the burden of proof to the nonbeliever. You cant prove there is a god so you arrogantly attempt to make the existence of one the default position.
You do not have to deny something that isn't there, but for your attempt to define belief , define mine a NON BELIEVER.
I simply do not believe what you do in any circumstance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonbeliever
Gods existence is self evident, your need to borrow from the Christian worldview to make your arguments is one evidence.

The other is your antagonism towards God who you assert does not exist.

Your behaviour refutes your argument.

Since: Jan 13

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#165676 May 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are projecting your weak personal flaws on to others. Life has what purposes you make of it, we need no fricking skydaddy to tell us what our purposes in life can be.
So you create your own purpose?

Can you create a purpose that transcends your own limitations?

You claim you are an evolutionary accident and then go on to claim you have a destiny, a purpose.

How do you reconcile this obvious inconsistency?

Since: Jan 13

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#165677 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Why does meaning have to be inherent?
How can meaning not be meaning if it is not inherent?

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#165678 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, nope. Reactions to forces of nature are not accidental, is the formation of snow an accident? Is the volcanic flow an accident? Is tectonic activity and accident? When the wind blows, is that an accident?

So your are arguing that nature is intentional?

Nature has no "mind", how can it have intent?

That is the logical fallacy of reification, is that what you are arguing?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165679 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
How can meaning not be meaning if it is not inherent?
Do you have anything that is not circular logic to use?

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#165680 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, atheism is the result of reason and logic. Why are you posting non-sequitors?
You have presented an arbitrary claim with no reasoning to support it.

You claim atheism is the produce of logic.

But you fail to identify what produced logic.

Every time I ask you to address this, you assert an opinion without a reasoned basis for that opinion.

As to your last point, I have no idea what you are referring to.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165681 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
So your are arguing that nature is intentional?
Nature has no "mind", how can it have intent?
That is the logical fallacy of reification, is that what you are arguing?
Nope. It is mechanical, actually. In other words, a serious of events and reactions. No intent, no accident, no randomness, you are just so uneducated you cannot understand what I mean when I say that it is not accidental, random, or intentional.

Since: Jan 13

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#165682 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>The same you do, we use our judgment, empathy, and conscience. If you do not utilize these, then that makes you a sociopath.
My awareness of absolute morality is derived from what God has revealed.

You agree you are aware of ethical standards, but deny God, so you cannot account for them.

From where do you derive your absolute moral standards?

Atheism has no basis for absolute moral standards, it is morally bankrupt.

If you disagree show me the safe with the money...

Show me where you get absolute morality from.

Since: Jan 13

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#165683 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Do you have anything that is not circular logic to use?
Nice try, how about dealing with the question?

Which I don't think you can if your sidestep is any indicator.

Again:

How can meaning not be meaning if it is not inherent?

Since: Jan 13

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#165684 May 18, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. It is mechanical, actually. In other words, a serious of events and reactions. No intent, no accident, no randomness, you are just so uneducated you cannot understand what I mean when I say that it is not accidental, random, or intentional.
Oh I see, Richard Dawkins argument.

The universe is a clock that wound itself up and then let go.

How does something that does not exist wind itself up?

Don't you find that just a tad circular?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165685 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
You have presented an arbitrary claim with no reasoning to support it.
You claim atheism is the produce of logic.
But you fail to identify what produced logic.
Every time I ask you to address this, you assert an opinion without a reasoned basis for that opinion.
As to your last point, I have no idea what you are referring to.
So, since you have nothing that is not circular logic, you expect everything to be circular logic and won't accept anything that is not.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165686 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
My awareness of absolute morality is derived from what God has revealed.
You agree you are aware of ethical standards, but deny God, so you cannot account for them.
From where do you derive your absolute moral standards?
Atheism has no basis for absolute moral standards, it is morally bankrupt.
If you disagree show me the safe with the money...
Show me where you get absolute morality from.
So you think "absolute morality" exists and that it says killing children who "back talk" is a good idea. That's sick dude.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#165687 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh I see, Richard Dawkins argument.
The universe is a clock that wound itself up and then let go.
How does something that does not exist wind itself up?
Don't you find that just a tad circular?
You are forcing circular reasoning again. No one made that claim but you.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#165688 May 18, 2013
I spent summers with my great grandfather James, he raised and sold award winning dogs. His grandfather Homer was a sailor as well as Michael his great grandfather.

I could go on about their wives, children and more of my family tree if you wish.

So after humiliating yourself again, how can you possibly know what the future will hold for my atheist friends? How can you possibly know if they will be remembered or not? Regardless this is meaningless one way or the other.

Who was the local administrator of your church 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years ago? Hell 20 years ago? Lol!

And again before you say his remembers them, you must demonstrate observable evidence there is a god before you can even attempt to assign attributes and deeds to him.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>What was the name of your great grand father?

What was the name of his great grand father?

I doubt you know or can even confirm that without doing some serious research.

Which of course validates the point I am making.

The rest of your post was mere prejudicial opinion and therefore not worth a logical response...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#165689 May 18, 2013
All you do is express your opinion. You have no facts.

We know you want to think some sky daddy does all these wonderful things because it comforts you much as the concept Santa Claus comforts a child. Any of your opinions and apologetic arguments could also be made for the existence of Santa.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>You claim this but cannot account for reason itself.

You have also once again failed to present a reasonable argument, instead confusing your opinion as a logical argument.

There is a distinct difference between the two, asserting an opinion is not an exercise in logic...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#165690 May 18, 2013
Stalin is the leader of Sweden?

Wow you are really ignorant if you think that.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Stalin was a pacifist?

You also display little humanism (unless humanism is a lack of tolerance of non humanists), and your aggressive name calling also refutes your claim.

Your general attitude reveals the true nature of your beliefs.

Which is an attitude of intolerance and aggression against those that disagree with you.

You might wear the tee shirt but your actions reveal your true position.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#165691 May 18, 2013
Again there is no atheistic world view. Atheism deals with one and only one thing and that's not believing in a god.

Most atheists have a secular humanist world view.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>It has not been answered, how do you account for a sense of purpose from an atheistic worldview?

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