Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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#165614 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Wow you really need to look up lions before making a jackass out of yourself.
Was there a specific point you were trying to make?

Or are you merely indulging in arbitrary ad homonym?

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#165615 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Explain how you can assign attributes to something you cannot prove exists?

You are merely rehashing your tired disproven apologetic arguments from before.
You keep avoiding the question as does all the atheists on here so far.

You cannot account for why you have a sense of purpose.

All you can do is try to evade the question.

Proving the very point I am making.

You have a sense of purpose that you cannot account for it, you remove God from the equation and therefore the only reasonable explanation of why you have a sense of purpose is removed as well.

Your inability to answer the question proves the point.

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#165616 May 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Speak to me of this "Creator".

Explain, please, why it's any more credible that any of the other "Creators" available.
There would be many ways to do that but one way is to show your antagonism to the Christian God is so strong.

That you find the Christian God so offensive is evidence in itself.

Especially when you cannot justify that antagonism from your own world view.

There is no rational justification for your obvious anger towards the Christian God, there is no rational justification why most atheists display anger towards the God they claim does not exist.

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#165617 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Where is this observable evidence? In campfire folk tales that have been rewritten and changed over the years?

If you cannot show evidence I accept your surrender and the atheist is on solid ground.
The evidence is you deny Christianity, whilst appealing to Christian standards of morality appealing to Christian revelations of the scientific method and basing most of your worldview on the Christian worldview.

When you are asked to rationalise from your own worldview alone you cannot do that you have to borrow from the Christian worldview.

You deny Christianity, but use its logic and philosophy to make your arguments. That in itself is all the evidence you should need.

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#165618 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>People sadly kill for a host of reasons. Killing over variations in god being a culprit so often.
Why is killing wrong when the stronger survive there is no basis in atheism for this to be wrong.

You claim it is sad, but why is it sad?

In your worldview, survival of the fittest is the only thing that matters, sadness is irrelevant.

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#165619 May 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>A short stroll through a lunatic asylum will show you that faith accomplishes nothing.
Look at the world where young people commit suicide because They have no purpose.

A secular world where atheism is encouraged and promoted.

Where satisfying the carnal nature is the highest objective of the atheistic worldview, there is nothing else.

There is no point to life, so people just opt out.

What is it that you think atheism offers, a hopeless existence, where one that can satisfy the carnal lasts at best.

And you think this is something worth selling to humanity?

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#165620 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>No that is the apologetic take on non believers. All my atheist friends are highly educated, have great jobs and are very happy.
Yes, that may be true, but they will all die and be irrelevant in two generations.

What is the point?

Your worldview offers nothing but hopelessness.

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#165621 May 18, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, tell you what - you pick one, and we'll discuss it.
Abiogenesis.

Explain how that is intentional.

And do not accidental.

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#165622 May 18, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Bib bang? Was that an infant fight or something? Lol!

Again chump atheism is not believing in god, it has nothing to do with evolution, abiogenesis, the Big Bang or this bib bang that you are going on about.

Care to fail again?
Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.

Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.

Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.

Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.

You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.

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#165623 May 18, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Much of what is defined as atheism by brainwashed morons is actually pure logical reasoning or simply (freethinking).
The scientific approach requires evidence to determine.
Not faith not belief 100% pure unbullshitted evidence.

Bite down on the reality of the evidence, it's CSI.. Does your mythological god really exist episode 1.
I'm from Missouri, so show me.
On the subject of reasoning, can you account for the existence of logic?

You say that atheism is founded on logic, if that is the case, please can you account for the existence of the transcendental laws of logic.

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#165624 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism does seem obsessed with denying God.
Why the concern?
Our culture is saturated with the trappings of christianity and religion in general.

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#165625 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So the male Lion gets to the top of the pride by being caring?
The evolutionary (imaginary) process, does not require care or concern, only survival...
Unless you are arguing that evolutions main tenet is "survival of the most caring..."?
Anything that increases our ability to pass on our genes to the next generation is advantageous - caring for "family" members can certainly be an effective way to ensure our genes continue to descend.

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#165626 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You have changed the subject, you were arguing that "survival of the fittest" was not the central tenet of natural selection, but that "survival of the caring" is the central tenet.
Why have you switched your argument?
To answer your point, why would an atheist be worried about God approving or disapproving one tribe wiping out another when it is a central tenet of evolution?
It seems it is okay if it is produced by evolution, but the wrong if it comes from God?
Why the double standard?
Evolution is not a conscious agent. God is said to be a merciful, loving, all powerful being who turns a blind eye while babies starve to death.

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#165627 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You keep avoiding the question as does all the atheists on here so far.
You cannot account for why you have a sense of purpose.
All you can do is try to evade the question.
Proving the very point I am making.
You have a sense of purpose that you cannot account for it, you remove God from the equation and therefore the only reasonable explanation of why you have a sense of purpose is removed as well.
Your inability to answer the question proves the point.
Do you actually think this makes any sense?

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#165628 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Look at the world where young people commit suicide because They have no purpose.
A secular world where atheism is encouraged and promoted.
Where satisfying the carnal nature is the highest objective of the atheistic worldview, there is nothing else.
There is no point to life, so people just opt out.
What is it that you think atheism offers, a hopeless existence, where one that can satisfy the carnal lasts at best.
And you think this is something worth selling to humanity?
It is truly telling of your psyche that you require god to derive meaning from life.

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#165629 May 18, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
Look at the world where young people commit suicide because They have no purpose.
A secular world where atheism is encouraged and promoted.
Where satisfying the carnal nature is the highest objective of the atheistic worldview, there is nothing else.
There is no point to life, so people just opt out.
What is it that you think atheism offers, a hopeless existence, where one that can satisfy the carnal lasts at best.
And you think this is something worth selling to humanity?
We can easily derive meaning from our lives through our relationships with loved ones, our personal sense of fulfillment, our emotions, our morality, etc.

No god is necessary for life to have meaning. I don't understand why you consider life worthless without an afterlife. If anything, the fact (as far as we know) that this life is all we get makes it *more* meaningful, not less.

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#165630 May 18, 2013
How can you possibly know how they will be looked at in two generations?

See this is how you Christholes make such jackasses out of yourself.

My worldview offers truth not delusion. Few things are more liberating and hopeful than truth.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, that may be true, but they will all die and be irrelevant in two generations.

What is the point?

Your worldview offers nothing but hopelessness.

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#165631 May 18, 2013
Jackasses tend to bray.
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you actually think this makes any sense?

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#165632 May 18, 2013
Atheism ... A-theism.. Without theism... Without belief in god.

Sorry, I know it doesn't fit your apologetic argument but we deal in reality and reason.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Atheism is the denial of the existence of God.

Contrary to what you might claim, atheism is determined to deny the possibility of God's existence.

Redefining a term does not change the clear behaviour, that you and other atheists engage in.

Your anger towards God and anyone presenting Him to you clearly shows that this is an emotional issue for you.

You can try to define a time in a certain way, but you have to justify this emotional reaction you have to the mention of Gods existence.

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#165633 May 18, 2013
Why is Sweden not a cauldron of seething hate and violence then?

It seems your apologetic argument has more holes in it than a pasta strainer.

Atheism merely means not believing in god it has no other so called world views. It only deals with a lack of theistic belief.

Hence why most atheists are secular humanists and pacifists which describes most of our worldview.
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>Why is killing wrong when the stronger survive there is no basis in atheism for this to be wrong.

You claim it is sad, but why is it sad?

In your worldview, survival of the fittest is the only thing that matters, sadness is irrelevant.

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