Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164651 Apr 29, 2013
Did your god walk with Adam and Eve? Did he wrestle with Jacob and even injure his leg while rolling on the ground with him? Does he not speak to people and have back and forth conversation with them? Show his glory to them?

I could go on but obviously you have idea what I am talking about as your bible knowledge is elementary at best. So yes there are several passages stating your god is a supernatural being or entity.

So god is an entity not a mere emotion, unless you disagree with the bible?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>That's a cheap way of saying you can't answer the question.

I accept your defeat.

Hand over your welfare check.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164652 Apr 29, 2013
Childish argument that I am surprised any adult would stoop to.

If a rambling man on the street said to give him all your money to build a weapon because giant ninja turtles will come and take over your city would you do it? If you said no and he shrieked that they exist unless you can prove they don't would you waste your time doing so? Of course not. Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Sorry that's just how the real world works.

Why not just show proof that your god exists it is your claim so either back it up with observable evidence or the atheist in on solid ground.

If unable to I accept your surrender.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>You haven't posed anything to suggest that "there is no god" is reality.

If you could, you would.

But you can't, so you won't.

FAIL

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164653 Apr 29, 2013
Honeymoon?
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>I have been wondering where Dave Nelson may have gone.

He and Eagle12 disappeared.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#164654 Apr 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's start at the beginning. We see a bunch of layers of rock (strata). In those layers, we see fossils. We are able to trace a given layer over very long distances. We also have the general principle that older layers are below newer ones (more on caveats to this later). This gives us the *relative* ages of the different layers: in other words, it tells us which are older and which are younger.
Now, through observation and experience, we find out that certain fossils only appear in certain layers. Different layers will have characteristic fossils that are different, but for certain fossils, we can say that they only appear in particular layers.
Now, the caveat: there are geological forces at work: mountain building, erosion, etc. Occasionally, layers can be so bent by mountain building that the order is reversed. This is usually pretty obvious because we can actually see the regions where the bending happens (more on this later).
Now what we have is layers with relative dates and fossils in them that are characteristic of those layers. Now, there are also other fossils that are NOT characteristic of particular layers: species that lasted much longer periods of time than those limited to specific layers.
Next, we learned how to get absolute dates for the layers via radiometric dates. The problem is that such dates are often limited to igneous layers (not sedimentary). So we can date certain igneous layers and use those the *relative* dates for those above and below to get ranges of dates for the sedimentary layers.
Now we have two scenarios: in one we find a new fossil in a particular layer and this layer has been found between two igneous layers with good dates. This layer helps us to date the fossil we are interested in.
In the other scenario, we finds a layer with one of the *characteristic* fossils. because those only happen during limited time periods, this gives a date for that layer. In turn the date for that layer will give dates for all the *other* fossils in that layer.
The patterns of evolutionary change were obvious just from the sequence of the rocks and the changes in the types of fossils in each layer. The specific dates for a particular fossil tend to be found by dating that layer. Since layers with fossils are generally sedimentary layers, this usually involves either finding igneous strata above and below that can be dated, OR relying on *previously found dates* and finding a characteristic fossil for that layer.
There *is* a give and take: the layers are surveyed, the different fossils for a layer are determined, the fossils that only appear in a particular layer are found. Then we get radioactive dates for the igneous layers, which gives us dates for the sedimentary ones between. Finally, new and interesting fossils are dated by determining the age of the layer in which they are found. This can happen by using the characteristic fossils because those particular ones are limited to only specific time periods.
What does NOT happen is that we determine the age of a layer from a fossil and the age of *the same fossil* from the layer.
Thank you for taken the time to explain the method..

So in other words you use the ''igneous layers'' and characteristic fossils as the main starting point to date all other fossils and layers of rocks in the dateing method?

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#164655 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Im assuming the supposed contradiction lead you that way?
Well if one reads a ''book'' that says they are a God, then one could read a ''book'' that says they aint a God. All depends on what you are looking for. Me personaly wasnt looking in or reading a book to find God, he found me and i answerd his calling.
<quoted text>
So is God still real to you?
Thanks for sharing, and i as you say.
My Faith has also found its resting spot as well, content and unmoveable..
No.

I came to realize later in life that God had never been real to me and that my struggles with religion sprang form an inner core of skepticism that has been part of my psyche from my earliest memories, which begin sometime before my fourth birthday. I so wanted to believe. I really tried to for a very long time. In the end, it required more effort than I could muster. So I relaxed and allowed myself to be myself.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#164656 Apr 29, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, having no education in the sciences is in fact a wasted life. Education is how intelligent people move forward,
Im moving forward with great speed, and well off i might add. Accomplished that without a science book, dufec.. Its you who should get educated and learn how to communicate on a civil level, other than that of a self absorbd arrogant prick behind a computer screen tapping a key board!
its how we learn about the world around us, it's what got our species out of the cave and on to the moon. NOT having a basic education in the sciences means you are willfully ignorant.
Really? we went to the moon? Surely you dont believe that do ya??:> That was staged in hollywood..... You should try reading the only BOOK worth reading, Holy Bible... It will take you above and beyond the moon. It's you who remain willfully ignorant, a fool. Those who are ignorant let them remain ignorant, so please carry on..
Being such should be shameful for you, I'm not sure why it isn't.
You claim to be uneducated in the sciences yet you accuse someone else of having a narrow mind. This makes you seem not only uneducated but incredibly stupid. Try reading a book, start with a book on science, anyone will do for a start, Good luck!!!
Knowledge abounds but wisdom is rare. Hats off to the science world, they have done many great things. So get ur panties out of a wadd.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#164657 Apr 29, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been wondering where Dave Nelson may have gone.
He and Eagle12 disappeared.
Eagle12 began as a new identity for KJV, who had made too many enemies to continue without rebirth. He did this without deception, announcing the change in his user name at the time, but using the new name in an attempt to make a fresh start. So he hasn't disappeared at all, he has simply resumed using the KJV ID.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#164658 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Im moving forward with great speed, and well off i might add. Accomplished that without a science book, dufec.. Its you who should get educated and learn how to communicate on a civil level, other than that of a self absorbd arrogant prick behind a computer screen tapping a key board!
<quoted text>
Really? we went to the moon? Surely you dont believe that do ya??:> That was staged in hollywood..... You should try reading the only BOOK worth reading, Holy Bible... It will take you above and beyond the moon. It's you who remain willfully ignorant, a fool. Those who are ignorant let them remain ignorant, so please carry on..
<quoted text>
Knowledge abounds but wisdom is rare. Hats off to the science world, they have done many great things. So get ur panties out of a wadd.
You're joking right? You don't really think the Apollo missions were fake do you?

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#164659 Apr 29, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>No.
I came to realize later in life that God had never been real to me and that my struggles with religion sprang form an inner core of skepticism that has been part of my psyche from my earliest memories, which begin sometime before my fourth birthday. I so wanted to believe. I really tried to for a very long time. In the end, it required more effort than I could muster. So I relaxed and allowed myself to be myself.
Wow,, thats a very young age to be aware of religion.. So you dont see a difference between having religion as to having a relationship with God?

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#164660 Apr 29, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
You give yourself too much credit, based on this post alone, it's plain to see you have zero education in any scientific field at all. Sad that you wasted your life.
Are you sure that it is not ... projection?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164661 Apr 29, 2013
Do you have some reasoning it would be a projection?
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Are you sure that it is not ... projection?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#164662 Apr 29, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow,, thats a very young age to be aware of religion.. So you dont see a difference between having religion as to having a relationship with God?
Both are delusions, one you buy the snake oil, the other you peddle it.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#164664 Apr 30, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Im moving forward with great speed, and well off i might add. Accomplished that without a science book, dufec.. Its you who should get educated and learn how to communicate on a civil level, other than that of a self absorbd arrogant prick behind a computer screen tapping a key board!
<quoted text>
Really? we went to the moon? Surely you dont believe that do ya??:> That was staged in hollywood..... You should try reading the only BOOK worth reading, Holy Bible... It will take you above and beyond the moon. It's you who remain willfully ignorant, a fool. Those who are ignorant let them remain ignorant, so please carry on..
<quoted text>
Knowledge abounds but wisdom is rare. Hats off to the science world, they have done many great things. So get ur panties out of a wadd.
O_o

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#164665 Apr 30, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You're joking right? You don't really think the Apollo missions were fake do you?
Lol,, yes! and , no!!

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#164666 Apr 30, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> You're joking right? You don't really think the Apollo missions were fake do you?
Yah, I'm still blinkin' at that one.

“THE LORD IS MY SHEPHERD;”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#164667 Apr 30, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Both are delusions, one you buy the snake oil, the other you peddle it.
Really, that means you spent tones of money on it then. According to your religious background'(s)..

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#164668 Apr 30, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for taken the time to explain the method..
So in other words you use the ''igneous layers'' and characteristic fossils as the main starting point to date all other fossils and layers of rocks in the dateing method?
I would say that the starting point is the observation that there is a consistent sequence of layers and a corresponding consistent sequence of fossil animals, plants, molds, pollens, etc. Also, the observation that certain plants, animals, and/or chemical properties only appear in certain layers.

It is the consistent sequence that gives the *relative* dates: which things are older and which are younger. So even without absolute dates (exact ages), we can still see how species change over time, how geological processes work, etc. We can even use the characteristic fossils to get relative dates.

The absolute dates typically (not always) come from radioactive analysis of igneous layers. We can then use the relative dates obtained from the sequencing to get ranges of absolute dates for the other layers.

Now, a person working *today*, after all the hard work of finding the sequences, finding the characteristic fossils, finding the absolute dates, etc has been done, can look at a particular layer and the fossils in it and get a pretty reliable date. More accuracy can be had if there are local igneous layers that can be dated more accurately.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#164669 Apr 30, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow,, thats a very young age to be aware of religion.. So you dont see a difference between having religion as to having a relationship with God?
Of course there is a difference: having a religion is having a set group of people that tell you what to do. Having a relationship with God is having an imaginary friend.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#164670 Apr 30, 2013
psalms 23 wrote:
Really? we went to the moon? Surely you dont believe that do ya??:> That was staged in hollywood..... You should try reading the only BOOK worth reading, Holy Bible... It will take you above and beyond the moon. It's you who remain willfully ignorant, a fool. Those who are ignorant let them remain ignorant, so please carry on..
I *really* hope you are joking. Yes, we went to the moon. The technology was there. The desire was there. The build up was there. The direction of the signals was there. The infrastructure was there.

Let's face it. If the moon landings were faked, the Soviet Union would have touted that to the world. They would have been able to tell from the direction of signals, just as *amateur* radio operators were.

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#164671 Apr 30, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>
Eagle12 began as a new identity for KJV, who had made too many enemies to continue without rebirth. He did this without deception, announcing the change in his user name at the time, but using the new name in an attempt to make a fresh start. So he hasn't disappeared at all, he has simply resumed using the KJV ID.
Thanks. I hadn't noticed that KJV had returned.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

NCAA Basketball Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
What role do you think humans play in global wa... 4 min none_of_the_above 1,143
Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 6 min positronium 1,115,687
UCLA FOOTBALL NOTEBOOK: Neuheisel says Prince w... (Sep '10) 7 hr Bruin For Life 27,607
Should child beauty pageants be banned? 10 hr a mom 348
Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision (Jan '08) 14 hr STO 305,851
Conn's Appliances (Nov '07) Tue Carol 280
Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex ma... (Aug '10) Sep 29 El SupremoS 201,038

NCAA Basketball People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE