Atheism requires as much faith as rel...

Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164747 May 1, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>They never seem to get that.
*headdesk*
Ow.
I await her response as the what evidence she is referring to....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#164748 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
To what evidence are you referring?
Eye witnesses. Since that's all you have is "personal testimony," same thing, you cannot deny one and assert the other is real.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#164749 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again, assuming that providing evidence that Jesus is fictional is equivalent to proving a negative.
Hey man, GLM made the claim - that Jesus & Q are both fictional characters. The onus is on him.
Can you prove Q is fictional?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#164750 May 1, 2013
It makes you wonder why theists always work so hard to change the subject when non believers ask for proof of their god.

If the believer is unable to demonstrate observable proof, why not just admit it and submit that the atheist in on solid ground for not believing because of that?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164751 May 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Eye witnesses. Since that's all you have is "personal testimony," same thing, you cannot deny one and assert the other is real.
Sure I can. I've never believed that leprechauns are real AND I have no personal eyewitness testimony regarding leprechauns AND I have no personal anecdotal evidence regarding leprechauns, I can safely say that to me leprechauns are not real.

I can say the exact opposite of God.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164752 May 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Can you prove Q is fictional?
No. But I can't provide sufficient evidence showing that Q is a fictional character from a fictional television show. Do you have a point?

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164753 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
It makes you wonder why theists always work so hard to change the subject when non believers ask for proof of their god.
If the believer is unable to demonstrate observable proof, why not just admit it and submit that the atheist in on solid ground for not believing because of that?
We have, or at least I have. Countless times I've written on Topix that I cannot prove God to you, that that is something between you and God.

You just choose not to read that part.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164754 May 1, 2013
No I understand it just fine but you can't compare emotions to a supernatural being that appeared in all his glory to millions of Jews at the base of a mountain and routinely spoke and performed miracles in their time of need.

Sorry it's like comparing apples to skyscrapers, it just doesn't work.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Obviously you didn't understand the analogy.

You're hopeless.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164755 May 1, 2013
Because they like god are merely works of fiction.

Glad you agree, apology accepted.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>I can't.

Nor would I bother trying.
blacklagoon

Boston, MA

#164756 May 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go again, assuming that providing evidence that Jesus is fictional is equivalent to proving a negative.
Hey man, GLM made the claim - that Jesus & Q are both fictional characters. The onus is on him.
Jesus and Q are both fictitious characters, he was just stating a fact. Now if you want to dispute these FACTS, then have at it!!!!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164757 May 1, 2013
In both cases they are written by people wanting to entertain and tell a story. They both have supernatural powers that violate the laws of physics. Neither has been observed outside of their fictional stories, although you can meet and get autographs from actors who played the role.

The only difference being that people as far as I know do not pray to Q.

There is equal amounts of secular proof for a historical Q continuum as there is for Jesus of Nazareth. Perhaps 1000 years from now Q will be worshipped as a god?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>First you'll have to provide evidence that they're both fictional.

Otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass again.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164758 May 1, 2013
Yes and they tried to extract vengeance on Q after he was stripped of his powers. He even was going to sacrifice himself to save everyone on board the enterprise.

He went from being a god to a humble man who could be killed, and with no guarantee of his survival or continued existence he faced certain death. Jesus knew he was going to be resurrected in comparison.

As far as saviors go I say Q has to win! He had more to lose and still was ready to die for a group of people who totally hated him.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>He also messed with the Calamarain too much. I think he killed some of them.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164759 May 1, 2013
Why can't you show observable evidence for god? Why did he seem to vanish as more and more people became literate?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>We have, or at least I have. Countless times I've written on Topix that I cannot prove God to you, that that is something between you and God.

You just choose not to read that part.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164760 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
No I understand it just fine but you can't compare emotions to a supernatural being that appeared in all his glory to millions of Jews at the base of a mountain and routinely spoke and performed miracles in their time of need.
Sorry it's like comparing apples to skyscrapers, it just doesn't work.
<quoted text>
See? You didn't understand.

I never compared emotions to God.

I compared the impossibility of proving either - especially on a forum like this.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164761 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Because they like god are merely works of fiction.
Glad you agree, apology accepted.
<quoted text>
Wrong again, scooter.

Unless you think you can prove God is a "work of fiction"......

You've been trying and trying and trying.

And getting nowhere.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164762 May 1, 2013
blacklagoon wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus and Q are both fictitious characters, he was just stating a fact. Now if you want to dispute these FACTS, then have at it!!!!
Is it a fact? That Jesus is fictional?

Huh....

Evidence, please.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164763 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
In both cases they are written by people wanting to entertain and tell a story.
STOP. wait a sec.

Prove they were written by people "wanting to entertain".

Then we'll continue.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164764 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Yes and they tried to extract vengeance on Q after he was stripped of his powers. He even was going to sacrifice himself to save everyone on board the enterprise.
He went from being a god to a humble man who could be killed, and with no guarantee of his survival or continued existence he faced certain death. Jesus knew he was going to be resurrected in comparison.
As far as saviors go I say Q has to win! He had more to lose and still was ready to die for a group of people who totally hated him.
<quoted text>
That was a great episode, I've seen it dozens of times. Deja Q. Love it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164765 May 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Why can't you show observable evidence for god?
Because I'm less powerful than God.

Why can't you show observable evidence that God isn't real!?
Why did he seem to vanish as more and more people became literate?
Is that so?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#164766 May 1, 2013
In ancient times people stood on the streets telling people of the adventures of Jesus in dramatic ways meant to entertain and get people to stop and listen to them. This acting and drama is how the stories of Jesus spread and became known. They didn't have tv or the Internet so they performed like this from sunrise until late at night.

Even Greek writers mocked how silly and overly dramatic the Jesus speakers were in their efforts to lure people. Interesting stuff and actually quite humorous :))

Q himself is a work of fiction and quite entertaining. Entertainment being the point of a successful show. If one fails to entertain the show is canceled.

Much like ancient religions that failed to entertain fell by the wayside.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>STOP. wait a sec.

Prove they were written by people "wanting to entertain".

Then we'll continue.

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