Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent.

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I think you mean the Quran.....
We are not banking on your ability to think.

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<quoted text>So, were the early American settlers who brought their religion Muslims, because they killed a whole lot of folks who rejected their religion? with 150 million plus killed by the Catholic church, the Muslims are novice when it comes to killing.
Hmm, good point!

I wonder what was the ''main issue'' Catholics held opposed to Christianity?

The rituals?
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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>I promise you this one thing, in a Biblical knowledge debate you would not get off the first chair. So far, you have yet to proven that you even get a seat. I do look forward to you sharing God's word, it might help you.
Here is a nugget for you to pick through. When was satan tossed from heaven?
Revelation 12:2-11
New International Version (NIV)
2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. 4 Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
its all MYTHOLOGY dude,grow up!

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com .

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<quoted text>This is where you fail. You claim that there are steps in science that we can view, test, retest and verify, then you suggest that there is proof. Well, that proves that you have no scientific intellect. Only alcohol and math contain proofs.
Yes, I am a layman and I use layman's terms.
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Really, you say that in science you can talk to many who have walked up the stairs, please just talk to one. You are also confusing science and scientists. God is not more absent in science than your allegory of steps would exist without a designer.
You have no evidence to support that claim.
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Before you continue, please show me one science proof. There are none.
When atheists attempt to use science they are being dishonest. You are attempting to set science up as in opposition to God, when it is not and can not be.
Nope, science does not concern itself with magic. There is no way to test for it. Nothing in magic is repeatable on demand. In short, there is no evidence of to support a god or gods.
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Many parents have said the same thing about training their child, only to have their child blown up in Sandhook, abducted like Polly Claus (sic), or runaway as often happens. So, no, you have faith and your faith is in that your message was received and that life will not swallow up your child.
Just because anomalies happen does not mean that I have faith.
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As for waking up, your waking up 18,809 times is just your fuel to give you faith that you will wake up tomorrow, when you may not.
Faith is not fueled by facts. According to the bible, the Earth in only about 6,000 years old and that god created everything in six days. You need faith to believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary.
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Besides, why should we believe that you have waken up 18, 809 times, you have no evidence and why should we believe your word.
There is no penalty of burning in a lake of fire for not believing me!
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You see, with Christians not only do we walk up the platform you call religion, we verify, document, and observe God each step of the way and on each platform we move forward to.
Verify one thing about god for us.
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Unlike you, we also walk up the science platform, we use air conditioning, we use medicine, we use cars, airplanes, we use hospitals and when those things fail you, such as medicine, we reach for God,
Kind of silly to depend on man when you have an all powerful god to help you.
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and on the platform that I am on, He responds and heals.....which is verified, documented, and observed..
BS. There is no case where it has been verified that a god or gods healed anyone.
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You see, it is your choice to believe the evidence just like it is mine not to believe that you have awakened 18,809 times or that you are 51 with a birthday in Sept. or Oct. born in 1961.
Again, there is no evidence for a god or gods. There is no reason to believe that a supreme being demanded that a girl who was not a virgin on her wedding should be stone or burnt to death.

Did you ever ask yourself, why is my god so interested in girls virginity and not boys? Why was it so terrible for the girl to have premarital sex, but it was a non-issue for the boys?

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<quoted text>If you do not either believe or disbelieve in a God or gods, then why are you so upset and only directing your energy towards those who believe.
Unless, you are lying, then you should supply equal energy towards those who claim that God does not exist and ask them why, since you claim that you do not know if a God or gods exist. Don't you think you should settle that issue first?
Why is an Atheist on a public forum about Atheists? Hmmm, that is a head scratcher!
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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
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If you accept that God does exist, then you except that He is God and not human, and you are but an ant in His design of things. If you don't like ants being killed, then don't step on grass. All that is here is for God's purpose and your life may be expiring, since it does have a time stamp.
didnt god create man in His image,,,or is god an ant??

looks to me that men created gods in their Image

www.godchecker.com

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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>I just got here, but I do not see anyone asking you to or requiring you to believe. That would require you to have rational thinking.
You see, the irrational person believes in black holes, evolution, speciation, the laws of physics in time and space, and then responds with proof of why you believe as events in the Bible by a God you do not believe in.
Crimes against humanity, so when did God become human? Do you kill ants and kill grass and weeds? Well, God calls useless sinners as no more than weeds growing among grass with one purpose to snuff out the life from the living.
The main issue here is that you can not judge, decipher or attribute ANYTHING to a God you claim does not exist.
If you accept that God does exist, then you except that He is God and not human, and you are but an ant in His design of things. If you don't like ants being killed, then don't step on grass. All that is here is for God's purpose and your life may be expiring, since it does have a time stamp.
Ever wonder why god made a world were everything has to kill something else to survive?

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<quoted text>No, the original Catholics were opposed to Jews and Christ. They were simply pagans and the Pope made himself the god of this earth. They wanted to rule the world under their religion. Remember, the Catholic church is in Rome and it grew out of the Roman empire which set out to kill and destroy all Christians and Jews.
Catholics call the Pope their Holy Father.
Oh, so they held the same belief back then as they do today. I thought they may had been some other factor to their killing crusades.

thx.
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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>If you do not either believe or disbelieve in a God or gods, then why are you so upset and only directing your energy towards those who believe.
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bc religious fanatics are a danger to all inteligent life on earth,

remember 9/11, and the Boston bombing!?

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Yes, poor me...
"Pluto takes 248 years to complete one full orbit around the Sun."
http://www.universetoday.com/13865/orbit-of-p...
Did you trust the word of clergy and your faith to arrive at this conclusion?
Or did you in fact try to use scientific observations someone made to offer as evidence that this it is so?
Do you believe it's true ? Does belief have anything to do with it?
Or is it a mathematical problem ?

Why did your god fail math?

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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>This is where you fail. You claim that there are steps in science that we can view, test, retest and verify, then you suggest that there is proof. Well, that proves that you have no scientific intellect. Only alcohol and math contain proofs. Really, you say that in science you can talk to many who have walked up the stairs, please just talk to one. You are also confusing science and scientists. God is not more absent in science than your allegory of steps would exist without a designer.
Before you continue, please show me one science proof. There are none.
When atheists attempt to use science they are being dishonest. You are attempting to set science up as in opposition to God, when it is not and can not be.
Many parents have said the same thing about training their child, only to have their child blown up in Sandhook, abducted like Polly Claus (sic), or runaway as often happens. So, no, you have faith and your faith is in that your message was received and that life will not swallow up your child.
As for waking up, your waking up 18,809 times is just your fuel to give you faith that you will wake up tomorrow, when you may not. Besides, why should we believe that you have waken up 18, 809 times, you have no evidence and why should we believe your word.
You see, with Christians not only do we walk up the platform you call religion, we verify, document, and observe God each step of the way and on each platform we move forward to. Unlike you, we also walk up the science platform, we use air conditioning, we use medicine, we use cars, airplanes, we use hospitals and when those things fail you, such as medicine, we reach for God, and on the platform that I am on, He responds and heals.....which is verified, documented, and observed..
You see, it is your choice to believe the evidence just like it is mine not to believe that you have awakened 18,809 times or that you are 51 with a birthday in Sept. or Oct. born in 1961.
You may 'verify' and 'prove' the steps in your knowledge of God, but you have not shown that to others so they also see it. With science facts that are proved, not only have they been found and proved, but they have been shown to man to be true, and man understands that. Some science theories based on extrapolating beyond what is now proved, of course, has not yet been proved, but the point at which science has arrived tends to point in the direction of the theory being a fact.

With God we still have had no evidence presented to the masses with which we can agree that from that we might extrapolate the existence of a super invisible being.

Talking of Black Holes which have not actually been proved, but are suggested by what man has observed about the universe, is not the same as talking of God based on what some men wrote in ancient books, which have already had parts of them proved to not be reliable. Error is understandable, but with yet no proof of any of the Bible, we are still 100% in the dark on the existence of God.

Even if we could accept that Jesus did exist on this earth, which is not likely possible this long after his alleged death, that still would not prove anything of a supernatural basis that is attached to the stories written about Jesus.

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No, the original Catholics were opposed to Jews and Christ. They were simply pagans and the Pope made himself the god of this earth. They wanted to rule the world under their religion. Remember, the Catholic church is in Rome and it grew out of the Roman empire which set out to kill and destroy all Christians and Jews.
Catholics call the Pope their Holy Father.
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Oh, so they held the same belief back then as they do today. I thought they may had been some other factor to their killing crusades.
thx.
Now you know why there are 3 major religions stemming from the same god. And why there are so many sects of each.

Every sect fully believes that they are the ones who know exactly what god meant and wants.

Maybe we should take a closer look at how the religion started, how the stories were written and how they were put together?!?!

Naw, too much work.

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TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>You go find a leprechaun for you. I hear that they hang out in black holes. Besides, Kraken seems fitting for you. As I said before, if God or a god has not made Himself apparent to you, then perhaps you should drink less, party less, watch a little less TV, and get a life worth God involving Himself in. Okay????
Is accusing a person of drinking too much, or of not searching for God, proving to us that a God exists? I have heard or read about many people stating that one hasn't found God because that person hasn't "looked", but these words are empty unless you can prove to us that you have found God that way, which it appears you have failed, since this is still an open question worldwide.

You are trying to use an illogical accusation to cover for the fact, IMO, that you have nothing to give us.

I cannot prove that a god doesn't exist, and I have stated that many times, as has most of the other people on here who do not have a belief in a god. But if a god exists, then give us the proof and we will look at 'your proof' and decide if it is legitimate, or admit that we still are uncertain because we can't see it the way you describe it.
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Faith is not fueled by facts. According to the bible, the Earth in only about 6,000 years old and that god created everything in six days. You need faith to believe that despite all the evidence to the contrary.
You sure know a lot that isn't true.

Here is a simple challenge that destroys your credibility by pointing out your false assumptions.

Please identify where in scripture does it state the age of the earth?

HINT: the answer is "it doesn't" now go take your nap, junior.

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<quoted text>I just got here, but I do not see anyone asking you to or requiring you to believe. That would require you to have rational thinking.
You see, the irrational person believes in black holes, evolution, speciation, the laws of physics in time and space, and then responds with proof of why you believe as events in the Bible by a God you do not believe in.
Crimes against humanity, so when did God become human? Do you kill ants and kill grass and weeds? Well, God calls useless sinners as no more than weeds growing among grass with one purpose to snuff out the life from the living.
The main issue here is that you can not judge, decipher or attribute ANYTHING to a God you claim does not exist.
If you accept that God does exist, then you except that He is God and not human, and you are but an ant in His design of things. If you don't like ants being killed, then don't step on grass. All that is here is for God's purpose and your life may be expiring, since it does have a time stamp.
It seems to me that you are assuming the existence of God, which you have not shown any proof for existence, and then are proselytizing. What value is telling us what God does or wishes, when we haven't established between us that this God exists? Especially as most here who don't have a belief do in fact know the jargon of believers, and most likely know as much about what is in the Bible as do believers. It is not like the Bible was just published. We seem to get a lot of people quoting the Bible to us, as if they are providing something new we had not heard before.

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<quoted text>Excellent post. Best one this weekend.
Thank you, and likewise to your post.

Look forward to reading your post's. You have a way with words for sure. You say some high dollar words..lol

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Is accusing a person of drinking too much, or of not searching for God, proving to us that a God exists? I have heard or read about many people stating that one hasn't found God because that person hasn't "looked", but these words are empty unless you can prove to us that you have found God that way, which it appears you have failed, since this is still an open question worldwide.
You are trying to use an illogical accusation to cover for the fact, IMO, that you have nothing to give us.
I cannot prove that a god doesn't exist, and I have stated that many times, as has most of the other people on here who do not have a belief in a god. But if a god exists, then give us the proof and we will look at 'your proof' and decide if it is legitimate, or admit that we still are uncertain because we can't see it the way you describe it.
You want proof!?!? Here's proof!

I have this aunt, who has a friend, who has a cousin, who knows a guy, who knows a girl, who had a tumor the size of a basketball! Her church prayed for her and when she went in for her first radiation treatment, they couldn't find the tumor!

Now if that ain't proof that god exists, then I don't know what is!
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Is accusing a person of drinking too much, or of not searching for God, proving to us that a God exists? I have heard or read about many people stating that one hasn't found God because that person hasn't "looked", but these words are empty unless you can prove to us that you have found God that way, which it appears you have failed, since this is still an open question worldwide.
You are trying to use an illogical accusation to cover for the fact, IMO, that you have nothing to give us.
I cannot prove that a god doesn't exist, and I have stated that many times, as has most of the other people on here who do not have a belief in a god. But if a god exists, then give us the proof and we will look at 'your proof' and decide if it is legitimate, or admit that we still are uncertain because we can't see it the way you describe it.
Would it be a rational position, in your view, to think the Pyramids are the result of random weather patterns?

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<quoted text> Did you trust the word of clergy and your faith to arrive at this conclusion?
Or did you in fact try to use scientific observations someone made to offer as evidence that this it is so?
Do you believe it's true ? Does belief have anything to do with it?
Or is it a mathematical problem ?
Why did your god fail math?
Did God fail math?

Not according to the complex programming code of DNA...

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<quoted text>No, the original Catholics were opposed to Jews and Christ. They were simply pagans and the Pope made himself the god of this earth. They wanted to rule the world under their religion. Remember, the Catholic church is in Rome and it grew out of the Roman empire which set out to kill and destroy all Christians and Jews.
Catholics call the Pope their Holy Father.
Actually the non-Catholic churches grew out of the Catholic Church which was first established in Rome. Some of the most talked about fathers of Protestantism were Catholic Priests until they rebelled against their church. Whether the current Roman Catholic Church is exactly the same as when the Christian religion first started, not having been a Roman Catholic, I would not be able to say with much knowledge. Obviously the introduction of the papacy was a later addition. It would have been healthy for the RC church and the world if that papacy had ended with the resignation a short time ago of the most recent ex-Pope.

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