Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Full Story

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#164465 Apr 28, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>Kindly show us your proof that the earth is approximately 4.54 billion years old. Show us your evidence, your observations, your conducted studies and your basis for measuring time. Please do not use light years, because then you will prove to me that you are unlearned and simply a rote repetition poster. It has been proven that if black holes exist then time and space within them or passing through them would not exist. So, how do you measure how old something is? The rate of time acceleration varies throughout space, which is a major flaw in the Hubble "theory".
I'll play your game! Just as you do.

I asked you first to show your evidence for your god.

Show us how knowledgeable you are.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164466 Apr 28, 2013
We have writings from early second century mentioning Catholics.

Care to fail again?
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>That is simply a lie. The rebellion was after the fact. The RCC did not come into existence until 380-450 AD, at least 340-410 years after Christ. The first Christians were Jews who had this 340-450 year start on the pagan catholic church. These Jews who became Christians had their religion from the first tablet and law which Moses gave to them. The papacy is no more and no less than the pagan church that reigned in Rome with the Romans when they killed Christ. You can not say much it seems with much knowledge. It is apparent that you are too lazy to conduct a search and study.

I am not a Catholic and do not support them, but your statement is like saying that it would be best if all gays resigned with the latest gay to die of AIDS. As much as I am opposed to the Catholic doctrine they have more right to exist than gays do. By sheer numbers you lose in that argument.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#164467 Apr 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
He did as well as the fiction writer had him do.
Again half wit you can't assign attributes and feats to a god until you prove there is even a god there.
<quoted text>
Why not? You are.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#164468 Apr 28, 2013
Would it be a rational position, in your view, to think the Pyramids are the result of random weather patterns?
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
On what basis do you come to that conclusion?

“Ditat Deus”

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#164469 Apr 28, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
Would it be a rational position, in your view, to think the Pyramids are the result of random weather patterns?
boooots wrote:
No.
Then why assume that life is the result of random patterns?

“Ditat Deus”

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#164471 Apr 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You can imagine that, if you like.
But it is not a code.
Oh, excuse me. A 'genetic' code.

Or 'generic' in GML's case....

“Ditat Deus”

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#164472 Apr 28, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
We have writings from early second century mentioning Catholics.
Tarzan say you not talk good.

Tarzan say you need help.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164473 Apr 28, 2013
The 6 day creation and resting on the 7th is an myth coinciding with the Jewish sabbath or day off for god lol! It's a poetic account linking Yahweh to man showing that indeed god was made in man's image.

Why do you limit your god? Are you saying he could not have done it in 6 actual days?

In no ancient translation of genesis does it even hint at anything more than 6 actual days. Not does any ancient documented debate state that it was anything other than 6 actual days with one day to rest. The poetic myth gives a charming wannabe comparison and the cycle of how things went in those days.

In ancient days such poetic license was approved and appreciated.

But in modern days poetry just doesn't cut it when people are trying to use the ancient bible myths to rule over others yes?
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Oh.

You're assuming the 6 days of creation was an actual 144 hours.

I didn't know you were a creationist.
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#164474 Apr 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You can imagine that, if you like.
But it is not a code.
DNA’s definition as a literal code (and not a figurative one) is nearly universal in the entire body of biological literature since the 1960&#8242;s.

The book Information Theory, Evolution and the Origin of Life is written by Hubert Yockey, the foremost living specialist in bioinformatics. The publisher is Cambridge University press. Yockey rigorously demonstrates that the coding process in DNA is identical to the coding process and mathematical definitions used in Electrical Engineering. This is not subjective, it is not debatable or even controversial. It is a brute fact!

“cdesign proponentsists”

Since: Jul 09

Pittsburgh, PA

#164475 Apr 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh.
You're assuming the 6 days of creation was an actual 144 hours.
I didn't know you were a creationist.
What were the six days of creation? Were they Earth days? Were they god's days? Does god even have days? What does he base his days on?

When god said that he rested for a day, how long did he really rest? Is that why Eve ate the forbidden fruit, cause god was resting for millions of Earth years?

When god called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night, how long was that day?

Your god must flip back and forth between an Earth day and a god day quite often. Didn't he realize how bad that would confuse people?

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#164477 Apr 28, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>How many times must it be shown and proven that there is no atheism forum? If I am wrong,then give me the link and I will say "oh".... What I find odd that is that you atheists would come here to post to Christians and theists and expose your uncertainty and baseless position. I would think that you all would be trying to at once create a manual or some concrete basis for your mental gymnastics.
We only need you, to show how stupid you are.
It doesn't even require an effort on our part.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164478 Apr 28, 2013
No atheism forum?

http://m.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism

Show us observable proof for god, until then the atheist is on solid ground and you know it.
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>How many times must it be shown and proven that there is no atheism forum? If I am wrong,then give me the link and I will say "oh".... What I find odd that is that you atheists would come here to post to Christians and theists and expose your uncertainty and baseless position. I would think that you all would be trying to at once create a manual or some concrete basis for your mental gymnastics.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164480 Apr 28, 2013
Great go educate yourself on scientific matters from actual science books not apologetic websites and get yourself educated.

Show us a scripture forbidding incest. It doesn't exist. In fact incest was common and accepted in the bible.

The bible says to kill non believers even by Jesus himself! It approves of slavery, rape, selling your daughter and I could go on.

Secular morality is by far superior to Christian morality
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>I actually welcome your so-called scientific data, please share. I often use science to disprove science claims.

So,what laws are being attempted to rule over people's lives that you are amiss by? I do believe that one of you claimed that you do not need religion to have morality and laws. So, clearly laws against killing, rape, incest, stealing, pedophilia and driving drunk come from your own moral compass, right?
.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#164481 Apr 28, 2013
No shame in you constantly being proven wrong by your betters.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>Tarzan say you not talk good.

Tarzan say you need help.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#164482 Apr 28, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, excuse me. A 'genetic' code.
Or 'generic' in GML's case....
Blueprints are not coded ,they may seem coded but are not.
The blueprints written in Greek are not coded.
You just do not understand Greek.

“ The Lord of delirious minds.”

Since: Dec 10

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#164483 Apr 28, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
<quoted text> DNA’s definition as a literal code (and not a figurative one) is nearly universal in the entire body of biological literature since the 1960&#8242;s.
The book Information Theory, Evolution and the Origin of Life is written by Hubert Yockey, the foremost living specialist in bioinformatics. The publisher is Cambridge University press. Yockey rigorously demonstrates that the coding process in DNA is identical to the coding process and mathematical definitions used in Electrical Engineering. This is not subjective, it is not debatable or even controversial. It is a brute fact!
Nope DNA fails the information curve.

Since: Jul 10

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#164484 Apr 28, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>No accusation child. Drinking less simply means less. If you have an excess problem then perhaps you should be denied access. Yeah, tell Bill Gates that he has not found the key to material success. Tell him it is impossible for him, because billions are still looking. The statement is not that they have not looked, it is that they are not looking. You of of the illusion that Bill Gates has to prove to you that you can be wealthy. He does not. You have some strange idea that we need you to believe.

Why do you keep asking for proof, if you do not believe that God exists? We are not asking you for your proof that nothing exists,now are we. You do not have any proof that nothing created something out of nothing. These are your issues.
The bottom line is that scientific theories fail your belief in atheism and sheer selfish delusions causes you to reject biblical and all scientific evidence that God is all around you and the creator of all that exists or will ever exist.
The fact is, science does not function in proof and you do not live by proof, so your request is accusatory and a denial of your absence of a rational basis for your nothing thinking.
Science does function in proof, though it make work from supposition before it gets the proof. If it doesn't get the proof then it doesn't make definite statements until such proof is found or it is determined that the original theory was in error by some other finding being discovered. Scientists do not send men into outer space on the 'belief' that doing so is possible, but on the knowledge that going into outer space is not possible but has occurred, as men put many satellites and rockets into space without men on them before they ever attempted to send a man, and they had determined that it was possible to send life into space and bring it back alive, before the risked the lives of men, and in since taking that risk, they have had quite a few men and women die in failures in part of that procedure, yet they still know that doing so can be done.

Almost everything that we do nowadays in the western world requires the use of proven science, whereas the very poorly developed parts of the world seems to be able to survive at least in small groups without having proved anything of a scientific nature other than what they can see right in front of them.

As for drinking I do not drink as a rule at all, so excess is not even a consideration for me.

I live by the fact that I am alive and until I am dead I will remain alive, as has been proved by billions of humans before me. If all things that scientists have discovered were to be taken from North America tomorrow, and we got no assistance in any way from other places on the earth, the majority of our population, including me, would be dead in a very short time, because we have become so dependent on things that man has built through his knowledge and proof of science that a complete loss of the function of those things would lead to mass starvation, in a very short time.

One man can get lost without benefit of science and manage to survive for a short or even a long period of time, but the large populations would not do that because we would quickly use up all available food, and then with no mechanisms that we currently use to acquire more food, especially in the places that have winter, we would only last until the existing supply ran out. The average household, assuming they were not invaded by other people who had already run out, would likely not have enough food to last very many days, and some even would likely have little more than enough for a day or two at the most.

Man is using faith in things continuing and that he will manage to fix anything that breaks because that is what we have become accustomed to happening.

Since: Jul 10

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#164486 Apr 28, 2013
TRUTHS BUSTER wrote:
<quoted text>No accusation child. Drinking less simply means less. If you have an excess problem then perhaps you should be denied access. Yeah, tell Bill Gates that he has not found the key to material success. Tell him it is impossible for him, because billions are still looking. The statement is not that they have not looked, it is that they are not looking. You of of the illusion that Bill Gates has to prove to you that you can be wealthy. He does not. You have some strange idea that we need you to believe.
If I say 'Yes, there is a God', you can believe that statement or not. If you can not prove that there is no God, then it is your delusion that causes you to believe or not believe there is a God. Since, God is neither alcohol or a math problem, like in science there is no proof that you will choose to accept.
Why do you keep asking for proof, if you do not believe that God exists? We are not asking you for your proof that nothing exists,now are we. You do not have any proof that nothing created something out of nothing. These are your issues.
The bottom line is that scientific theories fail your belief in atheism and sheer selfish delusions causes you to reject biblical and all scientific evidence that God is all around you and the creator of all that exists or will ever exist.
The fact is, science does not function in proof and you do not live by proof, so your request is accusatory and a denial of your absence of a rational basis for your nothing thinking.
It is nice to be called a child though by someone who is likely younger than I am, though I have no proof of that being the case. I am meaning that sincerely as I am not offended by someone calling me a child, because I am confident in what I am, and if someone sees me as young, all the better.

I also see absolutely no reason to even suggest that the word child might have been inferring that my knowledge compared to yours was like that of a child, because it is obvious from our posts that I have no problem in that area.:)
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#164487 Apr 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> It was you experts in all things that pointed it out by using the bible how old Earth is.
The simple challenge that destroys YOUR credibility.
Why must you lie, I never made that claim because I know better.

So now you no longer agree with that position? Admitting that I am right!
Expert in all Things

Redding, CA

#164489 Apr 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Nope DNA fails the information curve.
Of course you have scientific evidence to support this radical view of yours that is not supported by the mainstream?

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