Atheism requires as much faith as religion?

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Atheism requires as much faith as religion? bearvspuma : The only problem with this rationalization is that ita s assuming all athiests are so because theya re intelligent in the ways of science and reasoning and all people that believe in a form of god are unintelligent. Read more
KJV

United States

#162904 Apr 1, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Hitler's minister Bormann, sounding exactly like a Topix atheist:

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian Churches build upon the ignorance of men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian Churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism, however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researches."
"Hitler's minister Bormann, sounding exactly like a Topix atheist: "
LoL
KJV

United States

#162905 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
<quoted text>Hitler said they were going to exterminate the Christ killing Jews. That he would punish them for what they had done to Jesus and how he was being guided by the creator ( intelligent designer ) to do so.

Hitler would have been a big fan of intelligent design no dout.
Link?

Lier
KJV

United States

#162906 Apr 1, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>

Givemeliberty wrote:
Name these historians, must be quite a list eh?
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Yes he is!

I love this one of his.......

Givemeliberty wrote:

I am especially proud of my volunteer work and donations to the humanist cause. Every year I go to the Philippines and spend thousands on food,water, clothing and medicine for the needy there. After a horrific typhoon and flooding there I was there amongst others 14 hours a day handing out supplies, giving life saving injections and treatments to those who lost their home. I stood and watched as homeless children lined up easily 3 miles deep for a package of crackers sandwich fruit and bottle of water. Unwanted children who were born because the Christian ran theocracy light government makes it nearly impossible for a woman to obtain birth control. My wife is in pre-med classes and wants to practice medicine there free to help those poor children. Here in the states I collect donations for running in marathons with the money going to children's charities and cancer or HIV awareness programs.
I have seen first hand time and time again the damage and heart breaking situations brought on by theists. The same theists who come crawling to us to help fix their mess! Oh but while we are fixing it are we thanked? Nope. We barely get the figurative broom in hand and they are shrieking at us for not believing in their imaginary friend.
Honor? I guess it is a relative term. The dozen of urban low income students I assist for free with their biology and pharmaceutical homework at two different colleges locally would probably say good ole KJ is an alright dude.
Now if coming on topix and giving the theists a little taste of backbone, the theists who try to intimidate and silence non believers because they think we should all be meek and humble and tolerate their abuse and repeated logical fallacies makes me vile, Without reason, Disrespectful, In someone's opinion? So be it, hmmm I will chuckle about how vile And disrespectful I am Friday at U of L for the 6 hours I am assisting the students there as a volunteer. Or perhaps this summer as I am passing out thousands of dollars worth of free medicine and other essentials trying to save some more homeless from dying. Yes I was walking by a group of people there and they were huddled together praying loudly and crying. I looked in and a young girl was on the ground dying of dehydration. Instead of getting her water and rushing her to the hospital they stood there holding hands and praying! I grabbed my cell phone and called for an ambulance and started trying to get her to drink. Slowly she sipped the water as the praying continued. The ambulance came after almost an hour and reluctantly took her to the hospital, the paramedic said she was good as dead and best leave it in the hands of Jesus same thing the crowd thought. She died 18 hours later. They didn't even know her name and couldn't figure it out.
I guess I'll somehow deal with being called disrespectful.
<quoted text>

"I semi-retired except for collecting and inspecting my rental properties. I live comfortably off my stock dividends, porn sites I own, early retirement from work and rental properties here in the states and in the Philippines. "

OMG. It's getting better all the time!!!

You're retired except for Porn and your wife is still in school!

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Please stop!!!!

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Liberty wrote:
I am a 32 year old multi-racial man with a Johnson bigger than anyone in your family

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"if I didn't have the strong secular morals"

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No more I can't take it!

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“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162907 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Link?
Lier

You believers are quick to drop your failures.
Hitler was the biggest christian failure ever, I don't blame you for trying to escape being in the same religion with him.
KJV

United States

#162908 Apr 1, 2013
madscot wrote:
<quoted text>So I wonder why he had all books by Darwin and about evolution burned?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...

"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
KJV

United States

#162909 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>You believers are quick to drop your failures.
Hitler was the biggest christian failure ever, I don't blame you for trying to escape being in the same religion with him.
"Where did Darwin's ideas lead?

Enthused with his new theory, it's doubtful that Charles Darwin gave much thought to the possible moral consequences of what he was writing. He certainly could not have foreseen that less than 75 years later, his ideas would lead to Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust, the Nazi attempt at exterminating the Jews. But Professor Weikart's detailed book documents the connection, with plenty of quotes from mostly German philosophers and scientists in the intervening years.
Dr. Richard Evans, professor of modern history at the University of Cambridge and author of The Coming of the Third Reich, says that Weikart's book "shows in sober and convincing detail how Darwinist thinkers in Germany had developed an amoral attitude to human society by the time of the First World War, in which the supposed good of the race was applied as the sole criterion of public policy and 'racial hygiene.'
"Without over-simplifying the lines that connected this body of thought to Hitler, he demonstrates with chilling clarity how policies such as infanticide, assisted suicide, marriage prohibitions, and much else were being proposed for those considered racially or eugenically inferior by a variety of Darwinist writers and scientists, providing Hitler and the Nazis with a scientific justification for the policies they pursued ..." ( From Darwin to Hitler, back cover)"

http://www.ucg.org/news-and-prophecy/how-darw...

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162910 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Yes this was a philosophy called social Darwinism and Darwin was totally against it. It wasn't his idea it was rather his theory twisted to suit other people.
KJV

United States

#162911 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Yes this was a philosophy called social Darwinism and Darwin was totally against it. It wasn't his idea it was rather his theory twisted to suit other people.
Darwin was dead how could he be against it?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#162912 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v...
"Leading Nazis, and early 1900 influential German biologists, revealed in their writings that Darwin’s theory and publications had a major influence upon Nazi race policies. Hitler believed that the human gene pool could be improved by using selective breeding similar to how farmers breed superior cattle strains. In the formulation of their racial policies, Hitler’s government relied heavily upon Darwinism, especially the elaborations by Spencer and Haeckel. As a result, a central policy of Hitler’s administration was the development and implementation of policies designed to protect the ‘superior race’. This required at the very least preventing the ‘inferior races’ from mixing with those judged superior, in order to reduce contamination of the latter’s gene pool. The ‘superior race’ belief was based on the theory of group inequality within each species, a major presumption and requirement of Darwin’s original ‘survival of the fittest’ theory. This philosophy culminated in the ‘final solution’, the extermination of approximately six million Jews and four million other people who belonged to what German scientists judged as ‘inferior races’."
Book burning guidelines :

6. Writings of a philosophical and social nature whose content deals with the false scientific enlightenment of primitive Darwinism and Monism (H&#65533;ckel).

c) All writings that ridicule, belittle or besmirch the Christian religion and its institution, faith in God, or other things that are holy to the healthy sentiments of the Volk.
http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhibits/burne...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#162913 Apr 1, 2013
Answers in genesis langoliers? Seriously?
KJV wrote:

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#162914 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Darwin was dead how could he be against it?
Social Darwinism is an ideology of society that seeks to apply biological concepts of Darwinism or of evolutionary theory to sociology and politics, often with the assumption that conflict between groups in society leads to social progress as superior groups outcompete inferior ones.

The name social Darwinism is a modern name given to the various theories of society that emerged in England and the United States in the 1870s, which, it is alleged, sought to apply biological concepts to sociology and politics.[1][2] The term social Darwinism gained widespread currency when used in 1944 to oppose these earlier concepts. Today, because of the negative connotations of the theory of social Darwinism, especially after the atrocities of the Second World War (including the Holocaust), few people would describe themselves as social Darwinists and the term is generally seen as pejorative.[3]

Social Darwinism is generally understood to use the concepts of struggle for existence and survival of the fittest to justify social policies which make no distinction between those able to support themselves and those unable to support themselves. Many such views stress competition between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism; but the ideology has also motivated ideas of eugenics, scientific racism, imperialism,[4] fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.[5][6]

Opponents of evolution theory have often maintained that social Darwinism is a logical entailment of a belief in evolutionary theory, while biologists and historians maintain that it is rather a perversion of Charles Darwin's ideas.[7] While most scholars recognize historical links between Darwin's theory and forms of social Darwinism, they also maintain that social Darwinism is not a necessary consequence of the principles of biological evolution[8] and that using biological evolution as a justification for policies of inequality amounts to committing the naturalistic fallacy.

Charles Darwin did not subscribe to this ideology.[9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Darwinism

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#162915 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
So you would throw this out?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#sectio...
"A 2010 survey published in Encyclopedia Britannica found that is atheists at about 2.0%.
Another study assessing religiosity among scientists who are members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science found that "just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power.
Sociologist Philip Schwadel found that higher levels of education are associated with increased religious participation and religious practice in daily life.
According to a 2012 report by the Pew Research Center, people describing themselves as "atheist" were 2% of the total population in the US.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_o...
According to the International Bulletin of Missionary Research, an academic journal, "about 80,000 new Christians every day, 79,000 new Muslims every day, and 300 fewer atheists every day."
Another survey attributed to Britannica shows the population of atheists at around 2.4% of the world's population
While there are more atheists than ever before as global population continually increases, the atheist percentage of the total population seem to be declining
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religi...
Sources outside of Wikipedia give differing estimates:
The CIA's World Factbook gives the world population as 7,021,836,029 (July 2012 est.) and the distribution of religions as Christian 33.39%(of which Roman Catholic 16.85%, Protestant 6.15%, Orthodox 3.96%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.74%, Hindu 13.8%, Buddhist 6.77%, Sikh 0.35%, Jewish 0.22%, Baha'i 0.11%, other religions 10.95%, atheists 2.01%
persecution. A 2006 study by researchers at the University of Minnesota involving a poll of 2,000 households in the United States found atheists to be the most distrusted of minorities,
In 2012, an article entitled Atheism in decline by Nigel Tomes declared:
In 1970 atheists (those avowing there is no God) numbered 166 million worldwide; that was almost one-in-twenty—4.5% of the globe’s population. By 2012 atheists’ number is estimated at 137 million. That’s a decline of almost 30 million. Since world population is growing, atheists’ share declined to less than one-in-fifty—under 2% in 2012. Put differently, every 24 hours there are 800 fewer atheists in the world! "
"Atheism is in decline."
You never responded to my refutation of this when you posted it as Langoliers in the Atheism Rising thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

This might surprise you, but most here read more than one thread and will continue to discount this as you spam it across the forum, no matter which sock you use.
KJV

United States

#162919 Apr 1, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>You never responded to my refutation of this when you posted it as Langoliers in the Atheism Rising thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T ...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...

This might surprise you, but most here read more than one thread and will continue to discount this as you spam it across the forum, no matter which sock you use.
Well I am not Langoliers sorry to disappoint you. Langoliers is out of the country.

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162920 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Darwin was dead how could he be against it?
Social Darwinism was around before he died, he was against it.
KJV

United States

#162921 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Social Darwinism was around before he died, he was against it.
I see, pity he didn't succeed.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#162922 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
You believers are quick to drop your failures.
Hitler was the biggest christian failure ever, I don't blame you for trying to escape being in the same religion with him.
People need adversity or else humanity will become stagnant

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#162923 Apr 1, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Well I am not Langoliers sorry to disappoint you. Langoliers is out of the country.
Why, then, are some of your posts identical to his? Do you copy and paste them without attribution or perhaps copy them from the same source? Do neither of you have any of your own thoughts to share?

“ Knight Of Hyrule”

Since: Dec 10

Location hidden

#162924 Apr 1, 2013
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>People need adversity or else humanity will become stagnant
But the root cause is that we are predators.
It's not stagnation , it's like musical chairs and its war while the music playing. When the music stops everyone wants a chair.
Not everyone will get one. Still, everyone wants to have the last chair, but only one will have it in the end. It's winner takes all and dog e dog. We will never escape the animal inside , it want's to be unleashed and rip the competition limb from limb.

That's how we know we evolved from apes and are the murderer of apes.
Expert in All Things

Cottonwood, CA

#162925 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
But the root cause is that we are predators.
It's not stagnation , it's like musical chairs and its war while the music playing. When the music stops everyone wants a chair.
Not everyone will get one. Still, everyone wants to have the last chair, but only one will have it in the end. It's winner takes all and dog e dog. We will never escape the animal inside , it want's to be unleashed and rip the competition limb from limb.
That's how we know we evolved from apes and are the murderer of apes.
Musical chairs? That is real deep science you got going for ya...
nizam

Dhaka, Bangladesh

#162926 Apr 1, 2013
Islam is the true religion

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